China just threatened Pelosi/Biden

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7/29/2022 3:06pm Edited Date/Time 8/29/2022 8:01pm
Says it all. If Pelosi flies and with fighter jets at that it is an open invasion and the will terminate them if they don't turn back. I remember when Trump was supposed to start world War 3. So what happens first us civil war or WW3
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It's not an invasion when the country you're flying to welcomes you...

Also, move to China you commie cock sucker.
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This place was better without politics.
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colintrax wrote:
It's not an invasion when the country you're flying to welcomes you...

Also, move to China you commie cock sucker.
??? China who openly states that tiawan is theirs and that if she fly in with or without fighter jets it will be considered an invasion of China and they will if need be be shot down. I agree that tiawan is in our opinion sovereign but China doesn't. Don't get where the commie comment comes from.
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moto162 wrote:
??? China who openly states that tiawan is theirs and that if she fly in with or without fighter jets it will be considered an invasion...
??? China who openly states that tiawan is theirs and that if she fly in with or without fighter jets it will be considered an invasion of China and they will if need be be shot down. I agree that tiawan is in our opinion sovereign but China doesn't. Don't get where the commie comment comes from.
You're implying China owns Taiwan.

Stating so pushes the Chinese agenda. And trying to shit on our president in the process? Biden sucks but let's remember how good we have it.
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7/29/2022 3:40pm Edited Date/Time 7/29/2022 3:41pm
colintrax wrote:
It's not an invasion when the country you're flying to welcomes you...

Also, move to China you commie cock sucker.
moto162 wrote:
??? China who openly states that tiawan is theirs and that if she fly in with or without fighter jets it will be considered an invasion...
??? China who openly states that tiawan is theirs and that if she fly in with or without fighter jets it will be considered an invasion of China and they will if need be be shot down. I agree that tiawan is in our opinion sovereign but China doesn't. Don't get where the commie comment comes from.
So you think the US should bow down to China on this one, and not travel to visit an allied territory because China doesn’t want them to?
Got it
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7/29/2022 3:49pm Edited Date/Time 7/29/2022 4:41pm
Both sides are hypocrites
If Trump did this, the right would be saying “we can go where we want, who the fuck are China to tell us we can’t visit an allied country.” And the left would call it reckless.

It’s Biden, so everyone says the opposite

It’s a disgrace that everyone is so partisan.

I think it was a bit reckless to go there, it was a fire that didn’t need to be stoked. but once you make that call you can’t backdown because of threats from China

There is zero chance (well close to zero) China will actually engage her plane, they never said that they would. Only said there would be “serious consequences”
They are not going to start a war over this.
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7/29/2022 4:37pm Edited Date/Time 7/29/2022 5:24pm
I would say educate yourself on the term ADIZ, I'll help with a link below. Also learn about flight clearances (IFR flight rules) and lastly diplomatic flight clearance.

If any country were to shoot down a diplomatic flight, then all hell would break out. The Chinese will know when she is coming and track her flight all the way to Taiwan after it takes off from Japan, if they don't then their intelligence is worse than anyone would think.

As for military escorts, if she has any then they will stay in the Japanese ADIZ all the way past Miyakojima/Ishigaki at that point I would imagine the escorts will turn around and go back to Okinawa. She may pick up a Taiwanese escort once she enters their ADIZ.

China won't shoot Nancy down; they may be a lot of things but stupid they aren't.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_Defense_Identification_Zone_(East_Chi…



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colintrax wrote:
It's not an invasion when the country you're flying to welcomes you...

Also, move to China you commie cock sucker.
moto162 wrote:
??? China who openly states that tiawan is theirs and that if she fly in with or without fighter jets it will be considered an invasion...
??? China who openly states that tiawan is theirs and that if she fly in with or without fighter jets it will be considered an invasion of China and they will if need be be shot down. I agree that tiawan is in our opinion sovereign but China doesn't. Don't get where the commie comment comes from.
I’m going to go out on a fairly strong limb and say that if you can’t even spell Taiwan, then you really don’t have any understanding about the issues surrounding Taiwan……
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So - another lame ass partisanship based thread?
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OMFG! Crazy Nancy is going to start WW3 WoohooLaughingLaughingLaughing
Nah really...China loves to bluff.
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I agree fully with all three of you 100%!
I'm well aware and understand ADIZ better then most. I personally don't think they would be stupid enough in a normal US political situation but with this guy in the WH
and China pushing far more boundaries right now then even most people know of in the general public. It is not in any way shape or form out of the picture that it can't or won't happen. They are alot of things and not stupid I agree. But you can't make that statement and then walk it back. If that is 100% a true statement. This would be a who blinks first with a lot of consequences both ways. Right or wrong.

And belive me I know how good we have it just wish I could show a very ungrateful group of people in our country what I've seen to really appreciate what we have. Both good and bad.
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7/29/2022 5:02pm Edited Date/Time 7/29/2022 5:49pm
colintrax wrote:
It's not an invasion when the country you're flying to welcomes you...

Also, move to China you commie cock sucker.
moto162 wrote:
??? China who openly states that tiawan is theirs and that if she fly in with or without fighter jets it will be considered an invasion...
??? China who openly states that tiawan is theirs and that if she fly in with or without fighter jets it will be considered an invasion of China and they will if need be be shot down. I agree that tiawan is in our opinion sovereign but China doesn't. Don't get where the commie comment comes from.
APLMAN99 wrote:
I’m going to go out on a fairly strong limb and say that if you can’t even spell Taiwan, then you really don’t have any understanding...
I’m going to go out on a fairly strong limb and say that if you can’t even spell Taiwan, then you really don’t have any understanding about the issues surrounding Taiwan……
I apologize oh perfect one. In my typing I accidentally while using 2 fingers on my phone clicked on the letter before the other. Sorry. But then again I'm done arguing with a guy who couldn't do simple math in our argument over the popular vote.
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moto162 wrote:
??? China who openly states that tiawan is theirs and that if she fly in with or without fighter jets it will be considered an invasion...
??? China who openly states that tiawan is theirs and that if she fly in with or without fighter jets it will be considered an invasion of China and they will if need be be shot down. I agree that tiawan is in our opinion sovereign but China doesn't. Don't get where the commie comment comes from.
APLMAN99 wrote:
I’m going to go out on a fairly strong limb and say that if you can’t even spell Taiwan, then you really don’t have any understanding...
I’m going to go out on a fairly strong limb and say that if you can’t even spell Taiwan, then you really don’t have any understanding about the issues surrounding Taiwan……
moto162 wrote:
I apologize oh perfect one. In my typing I accidentally while using 2 fingers on my phone clicked on the letter before the other. Sorry. But...
I apologize oh perfect one. In my typing I accidentally while using 2 fingers on my phone clicked on the letter before the other. Sorry. But then again I'm done arguing with a guy who couldn't do simple math in our argument over the popular vote.
When you do it repeatedly, it indicates ignorance.

Not sure what you are referring to in another thread, it sounds like English isn’t your primary language.
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7/29/2022 5:14pm Edited Date/Time 7/29/2022 5:45pm
To my knowledge China never said they were going to shoot down her plane. So this thread is moot

They just said things like “resolute and powerful consequences” “serious consequences” etc.
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While calling out spelling is low hanging fruit, Mr Applman ain't dumb. Very different views but not dumb.
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ToolMaker wrote:
While calling out spelling is low hanging fruit, Mr Applman ain't dumb. Very different views but not dumb.
TM
Never would say he's dumb TM. On the contrary I belive most people that are the day to day guys here like him are of above average intelligence despite glaring misunderstanding in some issues or down right head in the sand statements that are just not in any way true.

As far as who said it was a quote from Hu XiJin
"If US fighter jets escort Pelosi’s plane into Taiwan, it is invasion. The PLA has the right to forcibly dispel Pelosi’s plane and the US fighter jets, including firing warning shots and making tactical movement of obstruction. If ineffective, then shoot them down."

That's a partial of what was said. Anyone who really pays close attention to world politics and media knows who this guy is and who he speaks for. The fact that he put out this statment regardless of if it comes to pass or not is huge. When I have multiple conversations with multiple people in Korea and Vietnam today who I do alot of business with. When they are on high alert over this statment and extremely nervous about the next 14 days. When they are pushing thing to get done as quickly as humanly possible. That tells you something.

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MO 23 wrote:
Both sides are hypocrites If Trump did this, the right would be saying “we can go where we want, who the fuck are China to tell...
Both sides are hypocrites
If Trump did this, the right would be saying “we can go where we want, who the fuck are China to tell us we can’t visit an allied country.” And the left would call it reckless.

It’s Biden, so everyone says the opposite

It’s a disgrace that everyone is so partisan.

I think it was a bit reckless to go there, it was a fire that didn’t need to be stoked. but once you make that call you can’t backdown because of threats from China

There is zero chance (well close to zero) China will actually engage her plane, they never said that they would. Only said there would be “serious consequences”
They are not going to start a war over this.
I agree and disagree. I can't think of another president I have been around for including Obama with his Iraq/afganistan, Crimea/ ukraine fuck up that a stament like this being made actually makes me a touch on edge. Out of the last 4 guys to hold that seat iden is the only one I have felt is not in any way capable of the position. But it was ingenious to have Kamal as his vp. No one wants her in so there he stays. I agree when you say it's reckless to make that statement. It becomes a who blinks first situation for both parties no?

I don't think everyone is as partisan as people think. Truthfully I think it's just a hyper partisan 10-15% of each party. I mostly think honest people have the same goal but have different ideas of how to get their with the core issues. I do think some people talk outside of thier paygrade on issues. Politicians included. It's like when I get told Biden has no control over our oil crisis that is fueling rapid inflation due to it being a global commodity when I like some other people here know for a fact that is not true. They come up with a rational that fits their narrative based on whatever they deem is the truth. An man that is frustrating to all hell.

I have a saying I've always liked. I dare not preach what I don't understand. An I'm not right all the time. Been plenty of time in my life that I've been wrong and learned and changed my opinions or modified it both liberal and conservative directions.
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My opinion; if it were any other administration, I’d say 100% bluff from China, but with this admin? I’d say more like 60-70% bluff.
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Sully wrote:
My opinion; if it were any other administration, I’d say 100% bluff from China, but with this admin? I’d say more like 60-70% bluff.
This. China knows Biden won't do sh*t.
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I say if they shoot down Nancy, we give them a pass. Or better yet a reward.
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7/30/2022 4:10am Edited Date/Time 7/30/2022 4:10am
Theyre all friends, heck, the CIA developed the social credit system that is in China and now being implemented in the West.

A new boogeyman always appears when the old one loses traction.
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7/30/2022 6:21am Edited Date/Time 7/30/2022 6:22am
Theyre all friends, heck, the CIA developed the social credit system that is in China and now being implemented in the West. A new boogeyman always...
Theyre all friends, heck, the CIA developed the social credit system that is in China and now being implemented in the West.

A new boogeyman always appears when the old one loses traction.
I agree they are all friends. You could cut and paste these articles all day and not one official investigation. Yet

scroll down to comments.

Peter Schweizer is a smart guy.
He must know that Joe Biden could drive a tractor trailer to Fort Knox and load it with gold bars all on National TV and the Federal Government would do nothing to stop him.
The MSM would be on the side of Biden and say he did nothing wrong.
Congress would make it against the law to talk about it.

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2022/01/23/schweizer-biden-family-ha…

https://www.independentsentinel.com/bidens-sos-took-anonymous-donations…
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FastEddy wrote:
OMFG! Crazy Nancy is going to start WW3 WoohooLaughingLaughingLaughing
Nah really...China loves to bluff.
This. The threat of invading Taiwan has more power than an actual invasion. Because once your troops hit the beach, chaos ensues, and your threat card is invalidated.
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Surely anything that ends up ridding us of Pelosi cant be bad.?

I wonder if her Hubby has bought shares in chinese missiles?
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Take her down
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RonSkj wrote:
I say if they shoot down Nancy, we give them a pass. Or better yet a reward.
Maybe Biden and Harris and a few others can make the trip too. WinkEvilEvil
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philG wrote:
Surely anything that ends up ridding us of Pelosi cant be bad.?

I wonder if her Hubby has bought shares in chinese missiles?
No,Laughing but I think he just bought a lot more life insurance on herWinkLaughing and I bet he is paying people to taunt and dare the reds to shoot down the plane. Wink
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This site is better without politics. Reading this thread gave me brain damage
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Juck wrote:
This site is better without politics. Reading this thread gave me brain damage
Nah , Let the children play . It can be amusing at times .
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7/30/2022 12:30pm Edited Date/Time 7/30/2022 12:32pm
Juck wrote:
This site is better without politics. Reading this thread gave me brain damage


then why would you, who appears to be an Australian, come to a non-moto section and open a thread that is obviously discussing a politician?
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