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10/2/2017 5:36 PM

I saw a news article earlier today that GM is moving to all electric in the future. Don't have the link.

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10/2/2017 5:58 PM

TXDirt wrote:

I saw a news article earlier today that GM is moving to all electric in the future. Don't have the link.

GM (government motors)

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10/2/2017 6:41 PM

tcannon521 wrote:

My 10 year dream:

1. Leave for work in my electric vehicle
2. Solar panels charge my home battery pack and power my house ...more

early wrote:

What alot of proponents of electric/renewables fail to recognize is that much of the good electric/renewable technology didnt ...more

Brad460 wrote:

Billionaires use who's money?! You mean tax payers money?

Gates, Jobs, Soros. It took Musk to really show the way.

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10/2/2017 8:15 PM

tcannon521 wrote:

My 10 year dream:

1. Leave for work in my electric vehicle
2. Solar panels charge my home battery pack and power my house ...more

early wrote:

What alot of proponents of electric/renewables fail to recognize is that much of the good electric/renewable technology didnt ...more

Brad460 wrote:

Billionaires use who's money?! You mean tax payers money?

Are you talking about big oil and traditional energy sources? They have been and are still living off our tax dollars at an enormous level.

The difference is my dream creates a path to self dependency living off renewable resources.

Of course, I’ll take the by product of cleaner air and maybe slow the rapid rate our beautiful earth is warming at.

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10/2/2017 8:53 PM

tcannon521 wrote:

My 10 year dream:

1. Leave for work in my electric vehicle
2. Solar panels charge my home battery pack and power my house ...more

You forgot :
4. Ride my ebike on the local government artificial turf (no dust or mud) coarse with safety jumps and gentlemen rules.

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10/2/2017 9:22 PM

Titan1 wrote:

I've got no loyalty to the ICE engine...but I do like the lifestyle and freedoms it affords.

If electric (or whatever) ...more

Sondy132001 wrote:

I charge my car every night when I get home, I do the trickle charge, takes all night, it add's about $40 a month to my ...more

I miss the golden state nationals

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10/3/2017 9:49 AM

A big problem right now is that only relatively wealthy people can afford rooftop solar with an EV. And those people can sometimes sell power back to the grid, which poor people living in an apartment can't do currently. So in effect the low-income people are subsidizing the wealthy people by paying for the electric grid infrastructure through their electric bill- and that declining ratepayer base is saddled with more costs to repair and maintain grid infrastructure.

In California, the investor-owned utilities are left with tens of millions of dollars of old contracts that are now paid for by a dwindling ratebase, often low-income people, while the people that engage in electricity choice flee the old system. And the Community Choice Aggregators (people leaving utilities) are usually targeted in wealthy areas.

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10/3/2017 12:39 PM

NorCal 50+ wrote:

A big problem right now is that only relatively wealthy people can afford rooftop solar with an EV. And those people can ...more

I mentioned this earlier that lower income folks will be hurt in this process. The why, how, and when is extremely important. There are a lot of moving parts and potential negative consequences if the state is going to set deadlines and mandate, regulate, punish, and fine our way to EVs and solar panels. That's just EVs not the infrastructure and charging stations that will be needed with millions of EVs on the road. Low income, middle class, and business will also pay for increase gasoline costs they will come as they lose revenue from gasoline taxes they will increase gasoline taxes. Im sure that there will be tax or punishment fees for purchasing gasoline cars and large trucks at some point ? When low income people get priced out of driving does driving become a right like healthcare and education and we start further subsidizing purchases of EV vehicles and SNAP cards to use at charging stations.

I heard about a bill that is being pushed to approve $3B in subsidies for EVs in CA. I think over $1B in subsidies in CA has been spent so far to get about 1% of new cars being EVs. Some people posted that we have a model power infrastructure but from what I have read and experienced over the years CA has not had a good track record with our electrical infrastructure and delivering it. We rely on a large part from imported Natural Gas and when that is maxed out we have a bunch of Diesel Generators to tack up the slack. In SoCal we get flex alerts every summer because things get really sketchy on summer days.

No doubt its a complex thing. I worry weather we really have a well thought out plan when I look at the high speed rail debacle that has been going on for years, cost billions so far and its basically stuck in the mud there is no money or plan to pay for this thing. Cap and trade was supposed to pay for it or most of it I think. And now the money for the $3B EV subsidy is supposed to also come from cap and trade ?

Lots of stuff. I hope our lawmakers are thinking this through before we get in another situation like we are with Jerry's Train.

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