CA Prop 8 Up held by Supreme Ct

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Edited Date/Time 12/21/2011 11:30am
Amazing.. They finally listened to the voters for a change.


Gay-marriage supporters who want to restore California's place at the head of a growing number of states welcoming same-sex marriages are going to have to do it the hard way: by persuading the same neighbors who voted to ban such marriages last fall to change their minds. They aren't going to get any help from the state's supreme court, never mind that Chief Justice Ronald George's historic opinion last May ruled that any discrimination against gays is no less outrageous - and illegal - than discrimination based on race or religion. Despite the sweep of that ruling, George and five other justices ruled on Tuesday that there is nothing so special about gay-marriage rights that make them exempt from the state's famously disruptive and pliable constitutional-amendment process.
"In a sense, petitioners' and the Attorney General's complaint is that it is just too easy to amend the California Constitution through the initiative process," wrote George for the 6-1 majority. "But it is not a proper function of this court to curtail that process; we are constitutionally bound to uphold it." Translation: Until Californians themselves change their system for amending the constitution, it will be the people - not the courts - who have final say on even the most fundamental rights enshrined in the constitution. (See pictures of the gay-rights movement, from Stonewall to Prop 8.)
Besides, George wrote, Prop 8 - the initiative that reinstated the ban on same-sex marriages - hardly eviscerates the sweeping opinion he wrote last year. Gays, he said, are still entitled to the highest level of protection against discrimination afforded in the land, except in the instance of marriage.
That's little consolation to the other side, of course. And while the ruling may have taken the issue out of the courts for now, it has placed the issue squarely back on the political front burner. Rick Jacobs, president of the Courage Campaign, a 700,000-member political movement, said efforts to put the issue back before voters as soon as 2010 have already begun. "The initiative process in California is flawed," Jacobs tells TIME. "The very idea that a majority can vote to take rights away from a minority is flawed. It really is quite outrageous."
That view got one vote on the court - that of lone dissenter Justice Carlos J. Moreno. "The rule the majority crafts today not only allows same-sex couples to be stripped of the right to marry that this court recognized [in last year's opinion], it places at risk the state constitutional rights of all disfavored minorities," Moreno wrote. "It weakens the status of our state Constitution as a bulwark of fundamental rights for minorities protected from the will of the majority."
But while the rest of the justices disagreed with Moreno, George's opinion did suggest a way out: Californians could change the constitution again and write in extra safeguards that would make it more difficult for changes to weaken the most important rights enshrined in the constitution. But in saying that, the court also rejected an argument by attorney general Jerry Brown, a likely candidate for governor, who had argued the court should itself declare some rights off-limits to the regular amendment process. George declined, saying that's something only the people can do.
Gay-marriage supporters are now trying to use the same amendment process that created the fix they are in to restore gay marriage. "The tools are what the tools are, and until the process is fixed we don't have any choice," Jacobs says. "We have no choice other than to use the system that is in place."
A new ballot initiative will put California back into the gay-marriage fight, which has considerably broadened in the months since Prop 8 passed. States like Vermont and Maine have embraced gay marriage, and New York is among others that may do so soon. And in a telling bit of irony, Moreno began his dissent by quoting not from his own court's historic 2008 opinion, but from one issued earlier this year in Iowa. "The 'absolute equality of all' persons before the law [is] 'the very foundation principle of our government,'" he wrote.
Read about how Iowa is adjusting to gay marriage.
Watch a video of gay marriage in the American heartland.
The fight for gay rights has been broadened in other ways too - not just geographically. President Obama is under pressure to stop enforcing the military's prohibition that prevents gay servicemen and -women from serving openly. And activists want Congress to repeal the Defense of Marriage Act, a law they say that is increasingly at odds with the small but growing number of states that have made gay marriage legal.
Jacobs tells TIME he still sees California as the epicenter of these fights. Obama will get a taste of the passions running deep in the Golden State as soon as Wednesday night, when he appears at the Beverly Hills Hilton in Los Angeles for a fundraiser. Lieutenant Dan Choi, an Arabic-speaking Iraq War veteran who is the first soldier to be dismissed from the Army under Obama, will be standing outside with Jacobs and others to urge the President to take action. "So much is coming from California right now," says Jacobs. "Don't Ask Don't Tell is really hurting American national security. This lieutenant is a West Point graduate, served in the Triangle of Death [in Iraq], and is now being fired, kicked out of the Army, because he went on the air and said he loves a man."
If gay-marriage supporters do press the vote again, they will have one ready source of allies - the 18,000 couples who were married in the brief window of time when gay marriage was legal in California and whose marriages remain intact. The court unanimously upheld those marriages in Tuesday's opinion. Already, the Human Rights Campaign, a gay-rights advocacy group, has released a video promising that it will not back down even after the latest California defeat. (See pictures of the gay-rights movement, from Stonewall to Prop 8.)
Meanwhile, gay marriage opponents were relieved that the court ruled in favor of Prop 8. Speaking just before the ruling was announced, the Rev. Albert Mohler told TIME that the court must tread carefully to avoid eroding its credibility. "Repeatedly, courts at every level have taken action to undermine their own legitimacy in view of public," said Mohler, who is president of the Southern Baptist Theological Seminary in Louisville, Ky. But he also said that thanks in part to the democratic nature of amendment processes like those in play in California, even the most outrageous rulings can be absorbed by the church.
"The courts are part of a larger governmental structure that remains legitimate," he told TIME. "So long as there is a democratic recourse to change [decisions that Christians consider extreme], I would counsel the church to continue to see the courts as legitimate. Should the California supreme court invalidate Prop 8, it would put that court in direct defiance of the people of California." As long as the initiative process exists, there is a political solution, he said.
That's exactly what's on the minds of people on the other side. They have already begun to gather signatures and hope to ask voters to change their minds in 2010. After that, somebody may want to take George's advice and think though whether it makes sense to be able to change the constitution so easily in California.
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Rupert X
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5/27/2009 4:29am


I think if the gays realized how miserable marriage can be (at times) - they'd quit fighting

for it.
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5/27/2009 5:29am
Rupert X wrote:


I think if the gays realized how miserable marriage can be (at times) - they'd quit fighting

for it.
They are already living together so they are already miserable as the straight married folks.

This is all about money and benefits.

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5/27/2009 5:59am
It's not about money and benefits. They already have those in California.
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5/27/2009 6:07am
SteveS wrote:
It's not about money and benefits. They already have those in California.
They can file an IRS return as Married?

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5/27/2009 9:09am
Why would they want to do that? It costs more.

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