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7/21/2021 4:32pm Edited Date/Time 7/21/2021 4:36pm
I think where someone sits on the ideological scale impacts how they view others (that includes me), I personally think Murdoch is further right than you think

And his influence on media dwarfs that of Bezos, In Australia, perhaps it is a bigger problem, he owns 14 of 21 Metro newspapers here, plus sky news, and numerous radio stations
Here we have had 2 former Prime Ministers (from different political parties) call for a Royal Commission (a big deal in our system) into Murdoch's influence on the media and political landscape in general.
Both have said that basically if you get Murdoch offside Murdoch routinely has used his influence to turn public opinion and oust prime ministers. he absolutely is somewhat of a kingmaker in our country.

Mods, apologies if this is getting too political, I am trying to discuss the role of media, however its hard to stay out of politics. feel free to delete if I have crossed the line
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7/21/2021 4:40pm
I agree with you to a point on manipulation of the media, I think an independent press is a really important pillar of democracy, and sadly...
I agree with you to a point on manipulation of the media, I think an independent press is a really important pillar of democracy, and sadly we do not have that at the moment.
However I am interested if you have the same opinions of Murdoch and his control over a massive press empire?
The Murdoch's media empire is primarily a tool of the crown and operates primarily in and for the crown's interests.
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7/21/2021 5:37pm Edited Date/Time 7/21/2021 5:49pm
I never said the Murdoch press dictates how we think, so even with his influence, yes lockdowns have continued.
However even our centre-right party here supports lock downs.we have a unique advatage on where we are, so we have been able to aim for zero community transmission. not many people want to totally do away with lockdowns until we have vaccinations at an appropriate level, that is the issue, we f**ked up our vaccine strategy. The non Murdoch press have been hard on our PM (from our centre right party) in regards to the vaccine rollout, the Murdoch press much softer

Our economy has held up pretty well, the lockdowns have been tough but when we dont have them, we have been pretty unrestricted. and even during our lockdowns, most industries have been working, outside of tourism and hospitality.

Our stock market indices are trading higher than before the pandemic, unemployment rate is back to where it was in feb 2020, our GDP is higher than pre covid, one of only 5 countries in the world which can say that.
I would say inflation is our biggest concern, which is currently pretty much exactly the same as the US right now.
So we are not destroying our own economy. after reading a few of your comments, I think you are a bit mislead about our culture and where we sit on the political spectrum.
Yes we are further left than the US, but we certainly are not some kind of socialist / communist state.
having been to the US quite a few times, In my opinion the culture is remarkably similar (with some obvious differences, but hey, variety in the world is good/interesting)
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7/21/2021 10:48pm Edited Date/Time 7/22/2021 4:01am
I think you are missing the point of why/how we lock down.
We have learnt that the earlier the we lockdown the quicker and easier it is. Like i said, our economy is coping ok.
And we have benefited from a health/deathrate point of view
We have only had about 900 deaths since march last year. that is a lot of people kept safe. we have never had hospitals overflowing/struggling to cope etc. compared to most countries we have faired very very well in that regard.
we lock down when we have 20 cases so that we dont have to lock down for longer when we have 20,000 cases

You also miss how we have lived in between lockdowns, when the rest of the world was locked down, I was going to the football along with 75,000 other fans. and outside of Melbourne, and now sydney, most Australians have not spent much time in lockdown at all.

But you are right, its not sustainable, but the common feeling is that short sharp lockdowns are the best way until everyone that wants a vaccine has had the ability to get one (currently those under 40 do not have access to the recommended pfizer shot). A lot of people are not happy with the NSW government at the moment, because they held off on locking down, and now its going to take longer to get back to zero. To let the virus run rampant through our community now after all the hard work and before everyone has had the opportunity to be vaccinated would be a crying shame, and a slap in the face to all who made sacrifices up to this point.

I dont get this hippy/cowboy shit, we arent hippies in Australia but whatever. I prefer to talk in actual real terms, Australia is a modern and stable democracy with a capitalist system which in my opinion strikes a good balance of personal freedoms and civic responsibility.

Our country is not perfect, but i guarantee its a pretty damn good place to live.
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7/22/2021 6:27am
This is just grandstanding billionaire egos . Go to Mars and back if you want to impress me . Low orbit is 1960’s level . Yawn .
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7/22/2021 6:48am
Everyone knows that its not the going up part thats impressive, its the coming back down, right? Reusable rockets and payload capsules are making space travel and cargo so much less expensive than it used to be, thats what will get us to the moon and mars.
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sumdood wrote:
So to do a little recap, I can’t buy a new single cylinder dirt bike and ride it in the desert a few times a year...
So to do a little recap, I can’t buy a new single cylinder dirt bike and ride it in the desert a few times a year because it produces a small amount air pollution, but these clowns can blast their toys into space and spew more shit into the atmosphere in one flight than every dirt bike on the planet combined for a year. Got it. 👍. The next prototype is
shaping up nicely...

MudPup545 wrote:
Exactly. As these elite pricks tell me to turn off my AC to save the planet. Screw em’.
kongols wrote:
The New Shepard booster rocket burned a mix of liquid hydrogen and liquid oxygen. Its exhaust was a trail of water vapor with no carbon emissions...
The New Shepard booster rocket burned a mix of liquid hydrogen and liquid oxygen. Its exhaust was a trail of water vapor with no carbon emissions, which are among the biggest contributing factors in global warming. The rockets are recycled for additional use.
How environmentally friendly are the manufacturing processes for those two items? The entire process has to be considered, not just the flight. It’s no different than electric cars, where there might be zero impact in the final product, but not the creation of the batteries, sourcing of raw materials, and charging after use..
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PNWRider wrote:
How environmentally friendly are the manufacturing processes for those two items? The entire process has to be considered, not just the flight. It’s no different than...
How environmentally friendly are the manufacturing processes for those two items? The entire process has to be considered, not just the flight. It’s no different than electric cars, where there might be zero impact in the final product, but not the creation of the batteries, sourcing of raw materials, and charging after use..
Probably about as environmentally friendly as any rocket, except these are reusable.
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7/22/2021 7:50am
MudPup545 wrote:
Exactly. As these elite pricks tell me to turn off my AC to save the planet. Screw em’.
kongols wrote:
The New Shepard booster rocket burned a mix of liquid hydrogen and liquid oxygen. Its exhaust was a trail of water vapor with no carbon emissions...
The New Shepard booster rocket burned a mix of liquid hydrogen and liquid oxygen. Its exhaust was a trail of water vapor with no carbon emissions, which are among the biggest contributing factors in global warming. The rockets are recycled for additional use.
PNWRider wrote:
How environmentally friendly are the manufacturing processes for those two items? The entire process has to be considered, not just the flight. It’s no different than...
How environmentally friendly are the manufacturing processes for those two items? The entire process has to be considered, not just the flight. It’s no different than electric cars, where there might be zero impact in the final product, but not the creation of the batteries, sourcing of raw materials, and charging after use..
But the comment was specifically regarding the rocket exhaust.

If you want to go into that other stuff, yeah hydrogen takes a ton of energy to manufacture as does liquid oxygen. Then again, so does more traditional rocket fuels.
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You guys are doomed. Well, we all are. Everything is left or right. Pitiful.
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kongols wrote:
You guys are doomed. Well, we all are. Everything is left or right. Pitiful.
In 1984 it was the 2 minutes hate, today its the 24 hours hate.
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7/22/2021 12:23pm
Good times make for weak men... - is absolutelly correct.
Just a week ago I had a discussion with my stepdaughter and her boyfriend. And I said that I sometimes feel we need a war cause people are spoiled to no end. We had 80 years of peace. Before that the longest peace time was 30 years.
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7/22/2021 12:48pm
I thought this thread was about rockets and shit.

Start your own debate, current events, how I feel about
(Nobody cares honestly) thread instead of taking away from one that was actually interesting. Start a new topic in the Dumbgeon. Save the mods some time.
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What a waste and member measuring contest. With everything going on these days these bastards are as arrogant as can be and the media is rubbing...
What a waste and member measuring contest. With everything going on these days these bastards are as arrogant as can be and the media is rubbing it in our face. WTF. I thought Amazon was into the carbon neutral initiative and focused on curving the so called climate change. How much energy is required to take a joy ride to the edge of the atmosphere.
I agree lol. I'm sure the fuel that used has a low carbon footprint lol. Gotta love the hypocrisy but I'm not surprised lol.
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7/22/2021 2:00pm Edited Date/Time 7/22/2021 2:01pm
Chance1216 wrote:
I thought this thread was about rockets and shit. Start your own debate, current events, how I feel about (Nobody cares honestly) thread instead of taking...
I thought this thread was about rockets and shit.

Start your own debate, current events, how I feel about
(Nobody cares honestly) thread instead of taking away from one that was actually interesting. Start a new topic in the Dumbgeon. Save the mods some time.
Thankfully they didn't get into feudalism, tribalism, collective communes ... etc ... sheesh.
https://youtu.be/t2c-X8HiBng
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7/22/2021 2:45pm Edited Date/Time 7/22/2021 2:48pm
Ooooh, I thought Blue Origin was the facility in which the rocket was built. Funny how you take the other line and, tow it. You do know the general rule is no politics right? So, what’s Bezos have to do with Covid? There is a thread dedicated to that already.
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7/22/2021 2:49pm
Chance1216 wrote:
Ooooh, I thought Blue Origin was the facility in which the rocket was built. Funny how you take the other line and, tow it. You do...
Ooooh, I thought Blue Origin was the facility in which the rocket was built. Funny how you take the other line and, tow it. You do know the general rule is no politics right? So, what’s Bezos have to do with Covid? There is a thread dedicated to that already.
Of course he does. He's just so insufferable he can't help but complain about cowboys and hippies all the fucking time.
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7/22/2021 3:03pm Edited Date/Time 7/22/2021 5:47pm
Jabroni, Once again, Australia is not in any way a socialist country. you can think otherwise, however you are categorically wrong, it is not a subjective thing.
Socialism has a very defined meaning https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/socialism
You cant change what you think the definition is, and then say Australia is "what I think socialism is"

lets not go from rockets>covid>socialism>gun rights
The only thing I will say is of course Australians want to protect themselves, its f**king stupid to imply that we are such a bunch of pussies that we "cant fathom the concept of wanting to protect oneself". we just chose to go about it in a different way. We are a free country too. these are the laws we chose to enact, you guys are free to do what you want, and the same applies to our society.

Anyway, back to rockets gentlemen. Apologies for getting things off track, but I really feel the need to defend my country when people say falsehoods such as we are a socialist nation and that we "cant fathom the concept of wanting to protect oneself".
I love my country, as I should, just like most Americans love theirs, as they should.
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7/22/2021 6:07pm
I love this extended peace detour. Guess the US hasn't been in the middle east for nearly 20 years. Not counting that whole storm deal. Oh man and Vietnam? Korea?
Does the cold war count as peace time? What about all these terrorist groups that seemed to pop up round the end of the cold war? Is ISIS peaceful? China has concentration camps, but that doesn't effect us right thus still peaceful?
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7/23/2021 1:51am
So........ in regards to the launch itself, the exhaust is water vapor ? Is that right ?
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For some reason these flights don’t impress me. To be called an “Astronaut” I think they need to complete an orbit around the earth and come...
For some reason these flights don’t impress me. To be called an “Astronaut” I think they need to complete an orbit around the earth and come back.
Alan Shepard would disagree.
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