Astronomers to check interstellar body for signs of alien technology

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So a big space rock floats by. ET, pick up the phone!
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kzizok 12/12/2017 4:50pm
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Been following this for a while. Very interesting, to say the least.
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Can you imagine, just how many billions of years, and the distances, that stupid rock has been flying thru the cosmos?

Mind boggling.

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Rhino 12/12/2017 6:07pm
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JAFO92 wrote:
Can you imagine, just how many billions of years, and the distances, that stupid rock has been flying thru the cosmos?

Mind boggling.
But what if it broke off an even bigger rock, in October, from a massive planetary volcano eruption, 8 billion gazillion times bigger than Mt. St. Helens?
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Pfffft!

Lame.

I thought this was gonna be about Pam Anderson.
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That image looks like Cheech and Chong cover art. Laughing
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borg 12/12/2017 7:06pm
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As an amateur astronomer, I always got a kick out of explaining certain things about the cosmos. First, the distances, then the sizes and quantities. Every star you can see with your eyes or a telescope is local. It's in our galaxy. There are billions of them and each one is quite capable of having orbiting satellites. Just like we are to our star, the sun. Outside of our galaxy is millions of other ones. Each with billions of suns that may have orbiting satellites. Just like the Earth. But, somehow, God has a plan for each and every one of us.
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kzizok 12/12/2017 7:32pm
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Did it travel through a black hole (NASA has seen something escape one, btw)?
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Shawn142 12/13/2017 4:47am
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kzizok wrote:
Did it travel through a black hole (NASA has seen something escape one, btw)?
First the object observed coming out of a black hole is clickbait. At no point did NASA say they observed something physically coming out of a black hole, shady internet media added that. What they did observe is a stream of charged particles shooting outward like a cone, almost like a static discharge or flair. No physical object was seen because frankly this happened several million light years away. As Trump would say, fake news.

This object certainly didn't come from anywhere near a black hole. The closest observed one is over 3,000 light years away. This is something ejected from another solar system most likely thanks to a gravitation slingshot like it just had with Earth that completely altered its course. It's the same method we use to give satellites a big push into the outer solar system.

Checking the rock for intelligent life is another clickbait story too. It's not traveling at breakneck speeds here, it's going roughly 60,000mph. Those are numbers we can achieve. The Juno spacecraft headed to Jupiter got up to 90,000mph thanks to gravity assist leaving the inner solar system. There has even been some talk of planning a mission to intercept the object for closer observation. This object will be traveling through our solar system for hundreds of years at it's current speed.
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borg wrote:
As an amateur astronomer, I always got a kick out of explaining certain things about the cosmos. First, the distances, then the sizes and quantities. Every...
As an amateur astronomer, I always got a kick out of explaining certain things about the cosmos. First, the distances, then the sizes and quantities. Every star you can see with your eyes or a telescope is local. It's in our galaxy. There are billions of them and each one is quite capable of having orbiting satellites. Just like we are to our star, the sun. Outside of our galaxy is millions of other ones. Each with billions of suns that may have orbiting satellites. Just like the Earth. But, somehow, God has a plan for each and every one of us.
And just imagine all of that stuff spang up from nothing. You are right borg some people have some wild "beliefs".
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Shawn142 12/13/2017 6:38am
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Shots fired from both sides now. Can we call it a draw and not have this break down into a science versus religion argument?
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kzizok 12/13/2017 7:01am
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kzizok wrote:
Did it travel through a black hole (NASA has seen something escape one, btw)?
Shawn142 wrote:
First the object observed coming out of a black hole is clickbait. At no point did NASA say they observed something physically coming out of a...
First the object observed coming out of a black hole is clickbait. At no point did NASA say they observed something physically coming out of a black hole, shady internet media added that. What they did observe is a stream of charged particles shooting outward like a cone, almost like a static discharge or flair. No physical object was seen because frankly this happened several million light years away. As Trump would say, fake news.

This object certainly didn't come from anywhere near a black hole. The closest observed one is over 3,000 light years away. This is something ejected from another solar system most likely thanks to a gravitation slingshot like it just had with Earth that completely altered its course. It's the same method we use to give satellites a big push into the outer solar system.

Checking the rock for intelligent life is another clickbait story too. It's not traveling at breakneck speeds here, it's going roughly 60,000mph. Those are numbers we can achieve. The Juno spacecraft headed to Jupiter got up to 90,000mph thanks to gravity assist leaving the inner solar system. There has even been some talk of planning a mission to intercept the object for closer observation. This object will be traveling through our solar system for hundreds of years at it's current speed.
Yeah, I was joking.
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borg 12/13/2017 7:41am
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Shawn142 wrote:
Shots fired from both sides now. Can we call it a draw and not have this break down into a science versus religion argument?
Sorry, I knew better.
Lets just say that, based on the odds, IMHO the possibility that we are alone in the universe is almost zero.
It's the only reason I framed it that way.
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hard2kill 12/13/2017 7:56am
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Shawn142 wrote:
Shots fired from both sides now. Can we call it a draw and not have this break down into a science versus religion argument?
borg wrote:
Sorry, I knew better. Lets just say that, based on the odds, IMHO the possibility that we are alone in the universe is almost zero. It's...
Sorry, I knew better.
Lets just say that, based on the odds, IMHO the possibility that we are alone in the universe is almost zero.
It's the only reason I framed it that way.
Haha sure thing Shawn142. I actually enjoy reading through these types of threads. Funny thing is that Brog has the same opinion as me, IMHO the possibility that we are alone in the universe is also zero. It is a bit puzzling to me how some people can accept the possibility of alien life, but altogether reject the possibility of God.

Most people are not aware of where the origin of the word alien comes from either. Hebrew, one of the oldest known languages has the word for Spiritual of Heavenly beings pronounced as Elyon.

I wish we could have these discussions in a civil manner without firing shots at one another but i do understand that this is not the forum for that.
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hard2kill 12/13/2017 9:08am
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Haven't seen anything un-civil in here.
I agree was just saying that is how these discussions usually go.

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lestat 12/13/2017 11:28am
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I think the interesting thing is we have never observed an interstellar object traveling through our galaxy before and the very peculiar shape . There are no current theories of how an object could come to be such an odd shape .
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kzizok 12/13/2017 11:44am
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lestat wrote:
I think the interesting thing is we have never observed an interstellar object traveling through our galaxy before and the very peculiar shape . There are...
I think the interesting thing is we have never observed an interstellar object traveling through our galaxy before and the very peculiar shape . There are no current theories of how an object could come to be such an odd shape .
Yeah, the shape is very interesting.
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Shawn142 wrote:
Shots fired from both sides now. Can we call it a draw and not have this break down into a science versus religion argument?
borg wrote:
Sorry, I knew better. Lets just say that, based on the odds, IMHO the possibility that we are alone in the universe is almost zero. It's...
Sorry, I knew better.
Lets just say that, based on the odds, IMHO the possibility that we are alone in the universe is almost zero.
It's the only reason I framed it that way.
So you think all these billions of objects just happened to appear and work with no other greater force creating it?? Just curious because that is a lot of things working in perfect harmony.
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XXVoid MainXX 12/13/2017 5:24pm
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lestat wrote:
I think the interesting thing is we have never observed an interstellar object traveling through our galaxy before and the very peculiar shape . There are...
I think the interesting thing is we have never observed an interstellar object traveling through our galaxy before and the very peculiar shape . There are no current theories of how an object could come to be such an odd shape .
What shape should an asteroid be? Most asteroids are odd shapes. They're just big chunks of rock (or similar) that were likely involved in collisions with other big rocks. Check these shapes out:

https://www.google.com/search?q=asteroid+shapes&tbm=isch&source=iu&ictx…:
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Shawn142 wrote:
Shots fired from both sides now. Can we call it a draw and not have this break down into a science versus religion argument?
borg wrote:
Sorry, I knew better. Lets just say that, based on the odds, IMHO the possibility that we are alone in the universe is almost zero. It's...
Sorry, I knew better.
Lets just say that, based on the odds, IMHO the possibility that we are alone in the universe is almost zero.
It's the only reason I framed it that way.
bball35 wrote:
So you think all these billions of objects just happened to appear and work with no other greater force creating it?? Just curious because that is...
So you think all these billions of objects just happened to appear and work with no other greater force creating it?? Just curious because that is a lot of things working in perfect harmony.
Well, the question here is not origins of the universe, but origins of life. What you want from me I cant deliver. Neither can you or anybody else on this planet. But the origins of life are within our capability of discovering. At least here on this planet.
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XXVoid MainXX 12/13/2017 6:38pm
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Also, if that rock had any sort of alien technology related to it and they were sophisticated enough to travel between star systems I can pretty much guarantee it wouldn't look like that, unless they deliberately shaped it like a rock to deceive.
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kzizok 12/13/2017 7:23pm
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XXVoid MainXX wrote:
What shape should an asteroid be? Most asteroids are odd shapes. They're just big chunks of rock (or similar) that were likely involved in collisions with...
What shape should an asteroid be? Most asteroids are odd shapes. They're just big chunks of rock (or similar) that were likely involved in collisions with other big rocks. Check these shapes out:

https://www.google.com/search?q=asteroid+shapes&tbm=isch&source=iu&ictx…:
Because it doesn’t resemble any of these:






Seriously, my understanding is that it is related to the length to width ratio. Apparently, they didn’t even know elongated asteroids even existed. Just what I’ve read
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It's that space probe looking for the whales.
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borg wrote:
Sorry, I knew better. Lets just say that, based on the odds, IMHO the possibility that we are alone in the universe is almost zero. It's...
Sorry, I knew better.
Lets just say that, based on the odds, IMHO the possibility that we are alone in the universe is almost zero.
It's the only reason I framed it that way.
bball35 wrote:
So you think all these billions of objects just happened to appear and work with no other greater force creating it?? Just curious because that is...
So you think all these billions of objects just happened to appear and work with no other greater force creating it?? Just curious because that is a lot of things working in perfect harmony.
borg wrote:
Well, the question here is not origins of the universe, but origins of life. What you want from me I cant deliver. Neither can you or...
Well, the question here is not origins of the universe, but origins of life. What you want from me I cant deliver. Neither can you or anybody else on this planet. But the origins of life are within our capability of discovering. At least here on this planet.
Yea I agree borg that none of else can deliver. I'm just stating religion or not my personal belief that there is something much greater than anything we can possibly comprehend out there that create this.
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Glory 12/14/2017 9:14am
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borg wrote:
As an amateur astronomer, I always got a kick out of explaining certain things about the cosmos. First, the distances, then the sizes and quantities. Every...
As an amateur astronomer, I always got a kick out of explaining certain things about the cosmos. First, the distances, then the sizes and quantities. Every star you can see with your eyes or a telescope is local. It's in our galaxy. There are billions of them and each one is quite capable of having orbiting satellites. Just like we are to our star, the sun. Outside of our galaxy is millions of other ones. Each with billions of suns that may have orbiting satellites. Just like the Earth. But, somehow, God has a plan for each and every one of us.
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And just imagine all of that stuff spang up from nothing. You are right borg some people have some wild "beliefs".
Well, it has to begin somewhere. Can't the same thing be said about those who believe in god or whatever it is? Did he/she/it just come up from nothing? I am yet to hear anything that seems more logical than the big bang so far anyway. No matter how it is it's weird af

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