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And truthfully it's not good for humanity, and for many different populations it can be very bad. History has continually proven that time and time. The only ones who benefit from big government are those who are within the government. It reeks of corruption, greed of power, and tyranny.
I think the key is armed, competent, and willing security in the schools. This would be a deterrent and surely reduce the severity of school shootings.
But, I disagree with taxpayers having to foot the bill for such security. In a perfect world the parents would pay for education and security at schools. Senior citizens and childless adults shouldn't be forced to subsidize others' reproduction. Housing has gotten too expensive. School taxes are part of the problem.
The Shop
Maybe so.
But it is in the spirit of the way they, the founding fathers, thought.
And that is overlooked, or marginalized by many.
Here's one from Hitler: "The most foolish mistake we could possibly make would be to allow the subject races to possess arms. History shows that all conquerors who have allowed their subject races to carry arms have prepared their own downfall by so doing."
Besides, fact of the matter is, history has proven time and time over, when a dictatorship arises, it's due to lack of arms in the hands of citizens. I'll vote on keeping the guns.
Apparently someone believes Hitler was right, disarming the millions he would then murder in the gas chambers,
moral of the story, resource officer went to the aid and fired a shot which was enough to de-escalate the situation causing the little fucker to put one in his own temple. better than hiding in the bushes like a coward.
WTF?
I also read that the NRA has received triple the amount of donations that they were receiving prior to this.
Hey NRA, how about you pass that money on to the school district/families of those who were shot? If not, why not?
This is a crazy world we live in.
Pit Row
You are completely wrong IMHO. You absolutely should be helping to subsidize those that reproduce responsibly because those children grow up some day to be little tax payers subsidizing you in the future. And it costs a lot of money to care for and raise those soon to be little tax payers. If people don't reproduce and create little tax payers then who will subsidize your future? Yeah that's right. No one.
How does a good guy with a gun help in that situation?
You might shorten the time frame that they have to carry out their horrid plans, but we have yet to see an instance where it actually prevents anything as a systemic solution. The shooter expects to die. Hell, in the majority of cases the shooter intends to die.
I simply can't imagine the sense of anguish and pain a person has to be feeling to plan and carry out something like these events. I refuse to believe these people are simply evil and beyond hope or help. Nor that simply owning or possessing a gun creates the possibility of it's misuse. At what point do we realize that guns are neither the root cause, nor the solution.
Put a suicidal person with a gun in room with 30 other armed people and I guarantee they would or could take somebody else with them if they chose to and all those extra guns wouldn't solve shit. That same person would barely be able to hurt themselves, let alone anybody else if everybody in the room was unarmed. Of course disarming everybody when they refuse to give up their guns is obviously neither practical nor smart.
So what's the solution? Shooting a suicidal person a few moments before they intend to shoot themselves doesn't seem to be practical. We don't push jumpers off of bridges to return traffic to a normal flow. Turning schools and public spaces into militarized zones sure doesn't seem to be in line with what we envision as the peaceful society we would aspire to live in.
I would dearly love to see the NRA start a campaign that deals with the deadly potential of guns and their relationship to mental health. A campaign to remind and encourage gun owners to keep their weapons locked up and safe. A campaign that tells gun owners that perhaps it's in their interest to surrender weapons (even temporarily) if they or others with access to them are showing signs of mental instability. Create programs that can provide or at least steer people towards the help they need to get past these periods of intense suffering that may cause them to take these most extreme and horrific actions.
Programs that simply teach gun etiquette and shooting skills seems to be a highly ineffective use of their resources. At the very least, the NRA would create a better image of themselves in the public eye if they at least tried to create something that teaches gun owners that guns are not an acceptable "final solution". We could finally have a discussion about the implications of mental health and even the effects of prescription drugs intended to treat such issues. Teaching people to be more accurate shooters and how to handle their weapon properly while at the range is obviously not working out. It could be argued it simply creates better, more effective, killers.
There has to be a solution out there. Obviously nothing is 100% effective, but we've seen over and over that guns are not proving to be a solution to this problem. The only thing they are capable of doing is shortening the timeline of the event at the expense of creating a toxic environment for everybody.
More guns and more trained shooters creates a scenario where the old adage of "If your only tool is a hammer, all your problems begin to look like nails" takes over. Any firefighter will tell you that fighting a fire with more fire is a last resort. It might work in the most extreme cases, but it still creates more charred remains in the end. What's the solution to prevent the spark that sets it all off? How can we show people that there's a better solution than picking up a gun and ending it all in a final blaze of glory and how can we help them if they see the wisdom in that alternative?
I think a big start is installing the American family values back into society. The divorce rate is terrible, teachers are quitting due to unruly children (and even parents), kids are all to quickly thrown on life altering drugs for “behavorial issues”, and all this during the early development of a child which has serious ramifications if you ask me.
It comes down to this imo. There are a lot of terrible things, evil things, and tragic things that happen on a daily basis. Car accidents, over doses, crime, shootings, accidents, etc. and the meat of the matter is in a free society those things will happen unfortunately. The question is, how free do you want to be?
I simply can't imagine the sense of anguish and pain a person has to be feeling to plan and carry out something like these events.
I suspect in many cases it's not pain and anguish in a depressed sense. It selfishness, attention seeking and narcissism, and well, being evil, hateful, and vengeful. Mix all that together and you have a homicidal killer on your hands.
Everything you mentioned has layers and layers of complexities with both sides having different views. And ultimately I think the results of those things would have a negligible impact and will take decades and generations to implement.
Here is my solution.
Harden the schools. Gates, metal detectors, single controlled entrances staffed by armed guards.
That's when the shootings stop at schools.
Sure, does it suck to turn a school into a prison? Yes. But the alternative is watching dead children pile up and parents and families suffering immensely.
Gun control, mental health, external factors like social media, bullying, and on and on are complex and will take generations to sort out, and again, the impact of all those efforts may be ineffective anyways.
So lets do what will have the most impact. Harden the schools.
However, the schools are being targeted because the killers know that our most prized and cherished things are our children. And wouldn't you just know it there is literally zero security at these schools that contain societies most cherished possessions.
So the place that has our greatest assets and possessions, a place where you can inflict the most damage, has the least amount of security.
Strange don't you think?
Harden the schools. Sure, they will look for other targets. Malls, movie theaters, who knows. And guess what, they are likely going to encounter more people who conceal carry at those places then at an elementary school.
We attend a decent sized baptist church and the security is fairly tight. Multiple church members who are part of the security team are obviously concealed carrying and they man all of the entrances as well as the entrance to the worship center. And they all wear radio ear pieces and seem well coordinated and well armed. I suspect many churches are doing the same thing to protect it's members.
I went peacock bass fishing in Miami recently and there was garbage covering ten feet of every lake shoreline. I watched as construction workers threw their MacDonald bags in the lake as they finished eating clearly like they do every day. Wtf? In my city it would be cleaned and huge fines would be handed out.
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