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1/5/2018 6:59 AM

So pot is now legal in CA according to CA. Still illegal per the fed.
The new admin says this is in conflict with fed law and they can and
might enforce their law, which I agree with not because I'm against pot
but because I don't agree with the states not recognizing federal law.
So my question is this. There seems to be public support for legalizing
pot federally. Why is it so hard to legalize it federally or even legalize it
for medical use? If pot is as good as they say for medical use, why can't
some pot billionaires pay for the FDA testing that all the pharmas do for any
other drug and get it legal that way? Some companies start out as testing
for prescription drugs and then the data shows little to no side effect and they
get approved for over the counter sales without script? I've seen this happen
with a little local company and their product.
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1/5/2018 7:19 AM

ToolMaker wrote:

So pot is now legal in CA according to CA. Still illegal per the fed.
The new admin says this is in conflict with fed law and they can and
might enforce their law, which I agree with not because I'm against pot
but because I don't agree with the states not recognizing federal law.
So my question is this. There seems to be public support for legalizing
pot federally. Why is it so hard to legalize it federally or even legalize it
for medical use? If pot is as good as they say for medical use, why can't
some pot billionaires pay for the FDA testing that all the pharmas do for any
other drug and get it legal that way? Some companies start out as testing
for prescription drugs and then the data shows little to no side effect and they
get approved for over the counter sales without script? I've seen this happen
with a little local company and their product.
TM

It's classified as a schedule 1 drug

"Schedule I drugs, substances, or chemicals are defined as drugs with no currently accepted medical use and a high potential for abuse. Some examples of Schedule I drugs are:

heroin, lysergic acid diethylamide (LSD), marijuana (cannabis), 3,4-methylenedioxymethamphetamine (ecstasy), methaqualone, and peyote"


Because of it's scheduling the amount of studies that can be done on it are very limited.

Main reason is because, it is a plant that grows easily and is very useful for many medicinal purposes. Drug companies don't like competition, drug companies pay lobbyists to "convince" politicians that it is really bad when in actuality it is very good.

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/allen-frances/opioid-companies-lobby-ag_b_11287182.html

"Studies also show that legalizing medical pot, and making it available in dispensaries, reduces by 15-35% admissions for prescription opioid abuse and opioid overdose deaths"



https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2016/07/13/one-striking-chart-shows-why-pharma-companies-are-fighting-legal-marijuana/?utm_term

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https://news.vice.com/article/leading-anti-marijuana-academics-are-paid-by-painkiller-drug-companies

"Take, for example, Dr. Herbert Kleber of Columbia University. Kleber has impeccable academic credentials, and has been quoted in the press and in academic publications warning against the use of marijuana, which he stresses may cause wide-ranging addiction and public health issues. But when he's writing anti-pot opinion pieces for CBS News, or being quoted by NPR and CNBC, what's left unsaid is that Kleber has served as a paid consultant to leading prescription drug companies, including Purdue Pharma (the maker of OxyContin), Reckitt Benckiser (the producer of a painkiller called Nurofen), and Alkermes (the producer of a powerful new opioid called Zohydro)."

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1/5/2018 7:39 AM

gabrielito wrote:

It's classified as a schedule 1 drug

"Schedule I drugs, substances, or chemicals are defined as drugs with no currently accepted medical use and a high potential for abuse. Some examples of Schedule I drugs are:

heroin, lysergic acid diethylamide (LSD), marijuana (cannabis), 3,4-methylenedioxymethamphetamine (ecstasy), methaqualone, and peyote"


Because of it's scheduling the amount of studies that can be done on it are very limited.

Main reason is because, it is a plant that grows easily and is very useful for many medicinal purposes. Drug companies don't like competition, drug companies pay lobbyists to "convince" politicians that it is really bad when in actuality it is very good.

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/allen-frances/opioid-companies-lobby-ag_b_11287182.html

"Studies also show that legalizing medical pot, and making it available in dispensaries, reduces by 15-35% admissions for prescription opioid abuse and opioid overdose deaths"



https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2016/07/13/one-striking-chart-shows-why-pharma-companies-are-fighting-legal-marijuana/?utm_term

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https://news.vice.com/article/leading-anti-marijuana-academics-are-paid-by-painkiller-drug-companies

"Take, for example, Dr. Herbert Kleber of Columbia University. Kleber has impeccable academic credentials, and has been quoted in the press and in academic publications warning against the use of marijuana, which he stresses may cause wide-ranging addiction and public health issues. But when he's writing anti-pot opinion pieces for CBS News, or being quoted by NPR and CNBC, what's left unsaid is that Kleber has served as a paid consultant to leading prescription drug companies, including Purdue Pharma (the maker of OxyContin), Reckitt Benckiser (the producer of a painkiller called Nurofen), and Alkermes (the producer of a powerful new opioid called Zohydro)."

So why can't it be "unclassified"? that's what I don't understand.
If it's about the money, the pot community has the money.
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1/5/2018 7:42 AM
Edited Date/Time: 1/5/2018 7:43 AM

MMJ cards are just another way to track people also.
So when you get lung cancer your health insurance can drop you and not pay.

It's just like when you are 40 have a cold and want to buy a decongestant.
You have to show ID and they scan it. The government now knows you bought x number of boxes of potential meth.

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1/5/2018 7:49 AM

The entire legalized pot industry is like a drop in the bucket compared to a single big pharma company. Now also factor in the alcohol companies as well.

More people who smoke pot will likely require/use less big parma drugs. More people who smoke pot will likely consume less alcohol.

Big pharma and alcohol industries are multi multi multi billion dollar industries with extremely deep pockets. They all have powerful lobbyists on payroll. They all have federal gov in their pockets.

As they say....follow the money.

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1/5/2018 7:52 AM

Also the cops will love it. The amount of DUI goes up dramatically.

Taxes plus tickets =$$$$$ I know a cop who has more than ten times his amount of DUI arrests in Vegas than he ever had before.
Every pullover now has 2-4 squad cars......1 with a dog
If you buy a used car from a stoner, that dog is gonna send you to jail.

Even if you're sober.....good luck. The first thing cops ask now is "Are you high" Not "do you know why I pulled you over?"


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1/5/2018 7:59 AM

Fed Gov doesnt like to admit they've been disingenuous / wrong about anything. Its pretty much that simple.

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1/5/2018 8:03 AM

TXDirt wrote:

The entire legalized pot industry is like a drop in the bucket compared to a single big pharma company. Now also factor in the alcohol companies as well.

More people who smoke pot will likely require/use less big parma drugs. More people who smoke pot will likely consume less alcohol.

Big pharma and alcohol industries are multi multi multi billion dollar industries with extremely deep pockets. They all have powerful lobbyists on payroll. They all have federal gov in their pockets.

As they say....follow the money.

Actually that's been proven false. It's like people who never indulge, they go to happy hour or a casino and smoke AND drink.

The ONLY reason they could legitimately find for less pharma drugs was simply being able to afford both or one or the other. Not as a replacement.

I wish they would just legalize coke. Bunch of skinny girls all horny cleaning the house like crazy without diabetes, liver disease, cholesterol, heartburn etc etc because they don't eat! Win win.

I kid, but seriously... It grows out of the ground.

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1/5/2018 8:11 AM

Rhino wrote:

MMJ cards are just another way to track people also.
So when you get lung cancer your health insurance can drop you and not pay.

It's just like when you are 40 have a cold and want to buy a decongestant.
You have to show ID and they scan it. The government now knows you bought x number of boxes of potential meth.

"MMJ cards are just another way to track people also.
So when you get lung cancer your health insurance can drop you and not pay."

So is this what you've read or experienced? My personal experience is that my
onc was the one who recommended pot for some of my issues. While it didn't
help me, the process had absolutely no interaction with my insurance company
and I have no idea how they would even know. I also know zero people that this has
happened to. And on what basis would/could they drop you?
TM

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1/5/2018 8:14 AM

The private prison industy also lobbies against weed legalization. Pot smokers are the cheapest people to keep locked up, they aren't violent. They don't want to arrest violent individuals, they cost more money to keep locked up and they're a pain in the ass. Prison fights means you can't stuff people into the same cell like sardines, there's associated medical care to treat injuries, guards get hurt which drives up the employee insurance, things get broken and so on and so on.
Now you know why child molesters get 6 months while drug dealers get 20 years. Super fascinating am I right??

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1/5/2018 8:16 AM

Rhino wrote:

MMJ cards are just another way to track people also.
So when you get lung cancer your health insurance can drop you and not pay.

It's just like when you are 40 have a cold and want to buy a decongestant.
You have to show ID and they scan it. The government now knows you bought x number of boxes of potential meth.

No way. The cashier is checking your DOB to make sure you're 18. Has nothing to do with reporting to the govt. When I worked at the grocery store it literally asked for the birthday, just like alcohol and cigarettes.

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1/5/2018 8:20 AM

TXDirt wrote:

The entire legalized pot industry is like a drop in the bucket compared to a single big pharma company. Now also factor in the alcohol companies as well.

More people who smoke pot will likely require/use less big parma drugs. More people who smoke pot will likely consume less alcohol.

Big pharma and alcohol industries are multi multi multi billion dollar industries with extremely deep pockets. They all have powerful lobbyists on payroll. They all have federal gov in their pockets.

As they say....follow the money.

Rhino wrote:

Actually that's been proven false. It's like people who never indulge, they go to happy hour or a casino and smoke AND drink.

The ONLY reason they could legitimately find for less pharma drugs was simply being able to afford both or one or the other. Not as a replacement.

I wish they would just legalize coke. Bunch of skinny girls all horny cleaning the house like crazy without diabetes, liver disease, cholesterol, heartburn etc etc because they don't eat! Win win.

I kid, but seriously... It grows out of the ground.

I know several people who would prefer to smoke then drink. But they drink because pot is illegal. I know several people who take pain killers for back pain etc. and would prefer pot but pot is illegal. Believe it or not a lot of people still follow the laws in this country. That's just a sample in my small world. I would guess nationally the same holds true. There are thousands or tens of thousands or hundreds of thousands, hell many even millions of people out there who would prefer to smoke pot but don't because it's illegal and drink instead.

A lot of people who get hooked on pills were first prescribed those pills by a doctor. Think about that. People just don't wake up one day and think to themselves you know I'm going to go rob the pharmacy today to get some pills.

A lot of people would chose Marijuana if it was available. Perhaps prescribing marijuana before jumping up to Oxycontin would prevent a lot of people from getting addicted to pills.

Many thousands of families and marriages are destroyed over alcoholism. Wonder if marijuana was available if that would decrease. I suspect it would. A lot of people just want to come home from work at the end of the day and want to get buzzed. Since pot is illegal these "regular" folks turn to alcohol. What starts as 1-2 beers a night to get that "head change" turns into 6 beers, then 12 beers. Then when that's not enough mix that in with some hard liquor. Before you know it that regular Joe who just wanted a head change at the end of the work day is now a ragging alcoholic. And since alcohol is addictive it becomes a daily thing and you need more and more and more to get that same feeling.

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1/5/2018 8:24 AM

Rhino wrote:

MMJ cards are just another way to track people also.
So when you get lung cancer your health insurance can drop you and not pay.

It's just like when you are 40 have a cold and want to buy a decongestant.
You have to show ID and they scan it. The government now knows you bought x number of boxes of potential meth.

colintrax wrote:

No way. The cashier is checking your DOB to make sure you're 18. Has nothing to do with reporting to the govt. When I worked at the grocery store it literally asked for the birthday, just like alcohol and cigarettes.

Wrong. States have systems in place to track your purchase for products that include pseudoephedrine. Commonly knows as Sudafed. You can only purchase X amount a month. Because one of the ingredients to make meth is Sudafed (pseudoephedrine). Typically you can buy up to 9 grams a month. Which is about two boxes of cold medicine that contains pseudoephedrine.

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1/5/2018 8:51 AM

Pot will be legal at the federal level at some point. The old hard line reefer madness legislators and justice dept hacks will die off.

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1/5/2018 9:48 AM

Rhino wrote:

MMJ cards are just another way to track people also.
So when you get lung cancer your health insurance can drop you and not pay.

It's just like when you are 40 have a cold and want to buy a decongestant.
You have to show ID and they scan it. The government now knows you bought x number of boxes of potential meth.

ToolMaker wrote:

"MMJ cards are just another way to track people also.
So when you get lung cancer your health insurance can drop you and not pay."

So is this what you've read or experienced? My personal experience is that my
onc was the one who recommended pot for some of my issues. While it didn't
help me, the process had absolutely no interaction with my insurance company
and I have no idea how they would even know. I also know zero people that this has
happened to. And on what basis would/could they drop you?
TM

Read the fine print in your health insurance.

My old insurance specifically stated NO injuries derived in, during, or from "Competition" or "Extreme Sports" would be covered. BMX was even listed.

It also had a section stating medical issues due to or associated with illicit drug use would not be covered.

Insurance companies can and they do refuse to pay. They are NOT in the business of health care. It is a for profit business, and if they can find a way not to pay, they will.
Social healthcare doesnt have this issue.

So basically, if you use pot and have an issue, they could technically say, if the guy wasnt high, he wouldnt have an insurance claim.

Insurances job is to find a way to not pay.





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1/5/2018 9:49 AM

ToolMaker wrote:

"MMJ cards are just another way to track people also.
So when you get lung cancer your health insurance can drop you and not pay."

So is this what you've read or experienced? My personal experience is that my
onc was the one who recommended pot for some of my issues. While it didn't
help me, the process had absolutely no interaction with my insurance company
and I have no idea how they would even know. I also know zero people that this has
happened to. And on what basis would/could they drop you?
TM

You're talking to premixjunky, he's a pathological liar.

Living in a state that's had legalized marijuana for a little while, his statements are not even close to the truth......

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1/5/2018 9:51 AM

Rhino wrote:

MMJ cards are just another way to track people also.
So when you get lung cancer your health insurance can drop you and not pay.

It's just like when you are 40 have a cold and want to buy a decongestant.
You have to show ID and they scan it. The government now knows you bought x number of boxes of potential meth.

colintrax wrote:

No way. The cashier is checking your DOB to make sure you're 18. Has nothing to do with reporting to the govt. When I worked at the grocery store it literally asked for the birthday, just like alcohol and cigarettes.

TXDirt wrote:

Wrong. States have systems in place to track your purchase for products that include pseudoephedrine. Commonly knows as Sudafed. You can only purchase X amount a month. Because one of the ingredients to make meth is Sudafed (pseudoephedrine). Typically you can buy up to 9 grams a month. Which is about two boxes of cold medicine that contains pseudoephedrine.

Exactly. They dont need to ask old wrinkled blue hairs or bald dudes for ID to know they are 18.

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1/5/2018 9:57 AM

TXDirt wrote:

I know several people who would prefer to smoke then drink. But they drink because pot is illegal. I know several people who take pain killers for back pain etc. and would prefer pot but pot is illegal. Believe it or not a lot of people still follow the laws in this country. That's just a sample in my small world. I would guess nationally the same holds true. There are thousands or tens of thousands or hundreds of thousands, hell many even millions of people out there who would prefer to smoke pot but don't because it's illegal and drink instead.

A lot of people who get hooked on pills were first prescribed those pills by a doctor. Think about that. People just don't wake up one day and think to themselves you know I'm going to go rob the pharmacy today to get some pills.

A lot of people would chose Marijuana if it was available. Perhaps prescribing marijuana before jumping up to Oxycontin would prevent a lot of people from getting addicted to pills.

Many thousands of families and marriages are destroyed over alcoholism. Wonder if marijuana was available if that would decrease. I suspect it would. A lot of people just want to come home from work at the end of the day and want to get buzzed. Since pot is illegal these "regular" folks turn to alcohol. What starts as 1-2 beers a night to get that "head change" turns into 6 beers, then 12 beers. Then when that's not enough mix that in with some hard liquor. Before you know it that regular Joe who just wanted a head change at the end of the work day is now a ragging alcoholic. And since alcohol is addictive it becomes a daily thing and you need more and more and more to get that same feeling.

Well said sir..

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1/5/2018 10:01 AM

TXDirt wrote:

The entire legalized pot industry is like a drop in the bucket compared to a single big pharma company. Now also factor in the alcohol companies as well.

More people who smoke pot will likely require/use less big parma drugs. More people who smoke pot will likely consume less alcohol.

Big pharma and alcohol industries are multi multi multi billion dollar industries with extremely deep pockets. They all have powerful lobbyists on payroll. They all have federal gov in their pockets.

As they say....follow the money.

Man I never thought about what you just said.....could pot actually reduce medication costs for insurance and the government? If it does that will open up quickly to it being legal everywhere imho

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1/5/2018 10:44 AM

Rhino wrote:

Actually that's been proven false. It's like people who never indulge, they go to happy hour or a casino and smoke AND drink.

The ONLY reason they could legitimately find for less pharma drugs was simply being able to afford both or one or the other. Not as a replacement.

I wish they would just legalize coke. Bunch of skinny girls all horny cleaning the house like crazy without diabetes, liver disease, cholesterol, heartburn etc etc because they don't eat! Win win.

I kid, but seriously... It grows out of the ground.

TXDirt wrote:

I know several people who would prefer to smoke then drink. But they drink because pot is illegal. I know several people who take pain killers for back pain etc. and would prefer pot but pot is illegal. Believe it or not a lot of people still follow the laws in this country. That's just a sample in my small world. I would guess nationally the same holds true. There are thousands or tens of thousands or hundreds of thousands, hell many even millions of people out there who would prefer to smoke pot but don't because it's illegal and drink instead.

A lot of people who get hooked on pills were first prescribed those pills by a doctor. Think about that. People just don't wake up one day and think to themselves you know I'm going to go rob the pharmacy today to get some pills.

A lot of people would chose Marijuana if it was available. Perhaps prescribing marijuana before jumping up to Oxycontin would prevent a lot of people from getting addicted to pills.

Many thousands of families and marriages are destroyed over alcoholism. Wonder if marijuana was available if that would decrease. I suspect it would. A lot of people just want to come home from work at the end of the day and want to get buzzed. Since pot is illegal these "regular" folks turn to alcohol. What starts as 1-2 beers a night to get that "head change" turns into 6 beers, then 12 beers. Then when that's not enough mix that in with some hard liquor. Before you know it that regular Joe who just wanted a head change at the end of the work day is now a ragging alcoholic. And since alcohol is addictive it becomes a daily thing and you need more and more and more to get that same feeling.

rosebud441 wrote:

Well said sir..

Well, I see it different. "A lot of people Just want to Come home from work and get buzzed"
That's a choice.






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1/5/2018 11:17 AM

TXDirt wrote:

I know several people who would prefer to smoke then drink. But they drink because pot is illegal. I know several people who take pain killers for back pain etc. and would prefer pot but pot is illegal. Believe it or not a lot of people still follow the laws in this country. That's just a sample in my small world. I would guess nationally the same holds true. There are thousands or tens of thousands or hundreds of thousands, hell many even millions of people out there who would prefer to smoke pot but don't because it's illegal and drink instead.

A lot of people who get hooked on pills were first prescribed those pills by a doctor. Think about that. People just don't wake up one day and think to themselves you know I'm going to go rob the pharmacy today to get some pills.

A lot of people would chose Marijuana if it was available. Perhaps prescribing marijuana before jumping up to Oxycontin would prevent a lot of people from getting addicted to pills.

Many thousands of families and marriages are destroyed over alcoholism. Wonder if marijuana was available if that would decrease. I suspect it would. A lot of people just want to come home from work at the end of the day and want to get buzzed. Since pot is illegal these "regular" folks turn to alcohol. What starts as 1-2 beers a night to get that "head change" turns into 6 beers, then 12 beers. Then when that's not enough mix that in with some hard liquor. Before you know it that regular Joe who just wanted a head change at the end of the work day is now a ragging alcoholic. And since alcohol is addictive it becomes a daily thing and you need more and more and more to get that same feeling.

While many things in this are easy to agree with and have truth to it. There is a lot that needs to be added.
In many cases (my observations) pot leads to a lack of motivation and holds people back from their
potential. As with any drug that makes you "feel good" the easier the access the more you will do it.
Time will tell, but I see many people that function on pot and can be poster children for legal pot, but also
see people who could be poster children for keeping it illegal.
In most cases moderation is key but in today's society of over indulgence it's anybody's guess.
TM

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1/5/2018 11:40 AM
Edited Date/Time: 1/5/2018 11:42 AM

Heroin and cocaine are legal pharmaceuticals for pain! I have a friend here in Texas who’s daughter is taking pot, not smoking it, for her black outs. Seems to be helping.

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1/5/2018 11:41 AM

35 years of the war on drugs have resulted in this.
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Maybe its time to reevaluate.

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1/5/2018 12:46 PM

Rhino wrote:

Actually that's been proven false. It's like people who never indulge, they go to happy hour or a casino and smoke AND drink.

The ONLY reason they could legitimately find for less pharma drugs was simply being able to afford both or one or the other. Not as a replacement.

I wish they would just legalize coke. Bunch of skinny girls all horny cleaning the house like crazy without diabetes, liver disease, cholesterol, heartburn etc etc because they don't eat! Win win.

I kid, but seriously... It grows out of the ground.

TXDirt wrote:

I know several people who would prefer to smoke then drink. But they drink because pot is illegal. I know several people who take pain killers for back pain etc. and would prefer pot but pot is illegal. Believe it or not a lot of people still follow the laws in this country. That's just a sample in my small world. I would guess nationally the same holds true. There are thousands or tens of thousands or hundreds of thousands, hell many even millions of people out there who would prefer to smoke pot but don't because it's illegal and drink instead.

A lot of people who get hooked on pills were first prescribed those pills by a doctor. Think about that. People just don't wake up one day and think to themselves you know I'm going to go rob the pharmacy today to get some pills.

A lot of people would chose Marijuana if it was available. Perhaps prescribing marijuana before jumping up to Oxycontin would prevent a lot of people from getting addicted to pills.

Many thousands of families and marriages are destroyed over alcoholism. Wonder if marijuana was available if that would decrease. I suspect it would. A lot of people just want to come home from work at the end of the day and want to get buzzed. Since pot is illegal these "regular" folks turn to alcohol. What starts as 1-2 beers a night to get that "head change" turns into 6 beers, then 12 beers. Then when that's not enough mix that in with some hard liquor. Before you know it that regular Joe who just wanted a head change at the end of the work day is now a ragging alcoholic. And since alcohol is addictive it becomes a daily thing and you need more and more and more to get that same feeling.

ToolMaker wrote:

While many things in this are easy to agree with and have truth to it. There is a lot that needs to be added.
In many cases (my observations) pot leads to a lack of motivation and holds people back from their
potential. As with any drug that makes you "feel good" the easier the access the more you will do it.
Time will tell, but I see many people that function on pot and can be poster children for legal pot, but also
see people who could be poster children for keeping it illegal.
In most cases moderation is key but in today's society of over indulgence it's anybody's guess.
TM

Ease of access has never stopped ANY addict from getting what they want. Actually the only people it hurts is those with legitimate needs to these medications.

For example: I had a back fusion a few years ago. On ocassion, my back still flares up, maybe once a month, and I would love a pain pill to knock it down. But due to the level of scrutiny the doctors are now under, very few doctors will even pescribe me a real pain pill. So I’m left to suffer. Funny how that works huh?

A bit off topic, but trying to address your ease of access comment.

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1/5/2018 12:55 PM

Rhino wrote:

Actually that's been proven false. It's like people who never indulge, they go to happy hour or a casino and smoke AND drink.

The ONLY reason they could legitimately find for less pharma drugs was simply being able to afford both or one or the other. Not as a replacement.

I wish they would just legalize coke. Bunch of skinny girls all horny cleaning the house like crazy without diabetes, liver disease, cholesterol, heartburn etc etc because they don't eat! Win win.

I kid, but seriously... It grows out of the ground.

TXDirt wrote:

I know several people who would prefer to smoke then drink. But they drink because pot is illegal. I know several people who take pain killers for back pain etc. and would prefer pot but pot is illegal. Believe it or not a lot of people still follow the laws in this country. That's just a sample in my small world. I would guess nationally the same holds true. There are thousands or tens of thousands or hundreds of thousands, hell many even millions of people out there who would prefer to smoke pot but don't because it's illegal and drink instead.

A lot of people who get hooked on pills were first prescribed those pills by a doctor. Think about that. People just don't wake up one day and think to themselves you know I'm going to go rob the pharmacy today to get some pills.

A lot of people would chose Marijuana if it was available. Perhaps prescribing marijuana before jumping up to Oxycontin would prevent a lot of people from getting addicted to pills.

Many thousands of families and marriages are destroyed over alcoholism. Wonder if marijuana was available if that would decrease. I suspect it would. A lot of people just want to come home from work at the end of the day and want to get buzzed. Since pot is illegal these "regular" folks turn to alcohol. What starts as 1-2 beers a night to get that "head change" turns into 6 beers, then 12 beers. Then when that's not enough mix that in with some hard liquor. Before you know it that regular Joe who just wanted a head change at the end of the work day is now a ragging alcoholic. And since alcohol is addictive it becomes a daily thing and you need more and more and more to get that same feeling.

ToolMaker wrote:

While many things in this are easy to agree with and have truth to it. There is a lot that needs to be added.
In many cases (my observations) pot leads to a lack of motivation and holds people back from their
potential. As with any drug that makes you "feel good" the easier the access the more you will do it.
Time will tell, but I see many people that function on pot and can be poster children for legal pot, but also
see people who could be poster children for keeping it illegal.
In most cases moderation is key but in today's society of over indulgence it's anybody's guess.
TM

There are so many different kinds of cannabis strains available where it is legal the old stereotypes don't really apply anymore. Some chill you out, some give you energy, some make you happy, etc. but a lot do nothing much buzz wise at all. There are some concerns with extracts but there is little effect on others especially compared to alcohol.

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1/5/2018 1:19 PM

Rhino wrote:

Also the cops will love it. The amount of DUI goes up dramatically.

Taxes plus tickets =$$$$$ I know a cop who has more than ten times his amount of DUI arrests in Vegas than he ever had before.
Every pullover now has 2-4 squad cars......1 with a dog
If you buy a used car from a stoner, that dog is gonna send you to jail.

Even if you're sober.....good luck. The first thing cops ask now is "Are you high" Not "do you know why I pulled you over?"


I dont know if its a good idea to draw conclusions about the rest of America based on observations from Las Vegas.

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1/5/2018 1:39 PM

TXDirt wrote:

Ease of access has never stopped ANY addict from getting what they want. Actually the only people it hurts is those with legitimate needs to these medications.

For example: I had a back fusion a few years ago. On ocassion, my back still flares up, maybe once a month, and I would love a pain pill to knock it down. But due to the level of scrutiny the doctors are now under, very few doctors will even pescribe me a real pain pill. So I’m left to suffer. Funny how that works huh?

A bit off topic, but trying to address your ease of access comment.

"Ease of access has never stopped ANY addict from getting what they want. Actually the only people it hurts is those with legitimate needs to these medications."

Yes it has, that's why they break into places and steal. Because it's otherwise not easy for them to get.

"For example: I had a back fusion a few years ago. On ocassion, my back still flares up, maybe once a month, and I would love a pain pill to knock it down. But due to the level of scrutiny the doctors are now under, very few doctors will even pescribe me a real pain pill. So I’m left to suffer. Funny how that works huh?"

Yes the few typically ruin it for the many. Which is why someone posted earlier that addicts some/many times start out with doctor scripts and then become addicted. So now it's become difficult for the folks to get the script.
BTW, you just made the point that easy access prevents you from doing the drug.

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1/5/2018 1:48 PM

ToolMaker wrote:

While many things in this are easy to agree with and have truth to it. There is a lot that needs to be added.
In many cases (my observations) pot leads to a lack of motivation and holds people back from their
potential. As with any drug that makes you "feel good" the easier the access the more you will do it.
Time will tell, but I see many people that function on pot and can be poster children for legal pot, but also
see people who could be poster children for keeping it illegal.
In most cases moderation is key but in today's society of over indulgence it's anybody's guess.
TM

TXDirt wrote:

Ease of access has never stopped ANY addict from getting what they want. Actually the only people it hurts is those with legitimate needs to these medications.

For example: I had a back fusion a few years ago. On ocassion, my back still flares up, maybe once a month, and I would love a pain pill to knock it down. But due to the level of scrutiny the doctors are now under, very few doctors will even pescribe me a real pain pill. So I’m left to suffer. Funny how that works huh?

A bit off topic, but trying to address your ease of access comment.

ToolMaker wrote:

"Ease of access has never stopped ANY addict from getting what they want. Actually the only people it hurts is those with legitimate needs to these medications."

Yes it has, that's why they break into places and steal. Because it's otherwise not easy for them to get.

"For example: I had a back fusion a few years ago. On ocassion, my back still flares up, maybe once a month, and I would love a pain pill to knock it down. But due to the level of scrutiny the doctors are now under, very few doctors will even pescribe me a real pain pill. So I’m left to suffer. Funny how that works huh?"

Yes the few typically ruin it for the many. Which is why someone posted earlier that addicts some/many times start out with doctor scripts and then become addicted. So now it's become difficult for the folks to get the script.
BTW, you just made the point that easy access prevents you from doing the drug.

Ease of access may prevent me from “accessing” the drugs I medically need. But for those abusing the drugs “access” has never stopped them.

So yes you proved my point.

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1/5/2018 6:22 PM

Rhino wrote:

Also the cops will love it. The amount of DUI goes up dramatically.

Taxes plus tickets =$$$$$ I know a cop who has more than ten times his amount of DUI arrests in Vegas than he ever had before.
Every pullover now has 2-4 squad cars......1 with a dog
If you buy a used car from a stoner, that dog is gonna send you to jail.

Even if you're sober.....good luck. The first thing cops ask now is "Are you high" Not "do you know why I pulled you over?"


Just another example of a silly lie to try to sound like he knows something........

DUIs actually DECLINED in Vegas this year, despite the legalization of cannabis sales. The notion that DUIs rose by 10% is so stupid, that only premixpaul could try that one.

"Instances of impaired driving lead to an arrest, if the suspects are lucky. Metro has conducted close to 3,900 DUI arrests this year (compared to 4,197 in 2016)."

https://lasvegassun.com/news/2017/dec/31/one-officers-quest-to-limit-impaired-driving-in-la/

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1/5/2018 7:08 PM

I'm about to shmoke a few cones, have a couple of nice cold brews, and chill the fuck out.cool

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