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2/3/2012 8:08 PM

Sitting at the gate while they repair this POS A-320.

Get this, the O-Masks in Row 22 dropped outta the ceiling & they're trying to
"Repair" them.

AirBus makes shit.

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2/3/2012 8:33 PM

There's nothing better than having your flight delayed because they have to work on the plane.......and you get to be one of the first people to test out their repairs.

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2/4/2012 12:27 AM

Good luck on the flight Chuck Yeager

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2/4/2012 8:12 PM

The A320 is a damn fine airplane.

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2/5/2012 11:43 AM

zjbell wrote:

The A320 is a damn fine airplane.

Compared to it's US competition? Really?

When the shit hits the fan give me a 737...make it a -8 or -9.

I'm jus' knowing'...

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2/5/2012 1:49 PM

Absolutely.

How do you 'know'?

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2/5/2012 2:27 PM

zjbell wrote:

Absolutely.

How do you 'know'?

Aero-Structures geek '84-'95, Structural Ass'y analysis, Composites Process Control (For Aero-structures)...yada, yada, yada...

Since '95 it's been all about Compsites...for any-everyone that PAYS ON TIME!

Yes, I'm a total Materials & Applications Dork...

I can't help it.

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2/5/2012 2:36 PM

Why would you rather be in a 737 if 'things went down'?

Jus' curious.

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2/5/2012 4:31 PM

zjbell wrote:

Why would you rather be in a 737 if 'things went down'?

Jus' curious.

"When the shit hits the fan"...actually.

A 737 that's been maintained (or NOT maintained) by morons still seems to make back on the ground under circumstances that other a/c don't survive.

Aloha 243 ring a bell?

Then there's the fact that A-B has a checkered past w/ their maiden-flights.

And then there's the latest HUGE P.O.S.: the A380.

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Nobody ever told me, I found out for myself. You've got to believe in foolish miracles. It's not how you play the game, it's if you win or lose. You can choose. Don't confuse. Win or lose. It's up to you!

2/5/2012 4:53 PM

Well, the top has never blown off an Airbus so it might be hard to call that one settled. How do you know it wouldn't do the same thing?

Maiden flights? Are you talking about the AF A320 the crew wrecked?

How is the A380 a POS?

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2/5/2012 5:17 PM

Pretty sure it was a 330 outta Toulouse...early 90s.

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Nobody ever told me, I found out for myself. You've got to believe in foolish miracles. It's not how you play the game, it's if you win or lose. You can choose. Don't confuse. Win or lose. It's up to you!

2/5/2012 5:21 PM

As to the statistics...& the birds that've "survived" insane circumstances?

Compare the number of Hull Losses v. Flight Hours between the 2 brands.

I'm jus' sayin'...

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2/5/2012 5:25 PM

The 380 had how many "in-service" hours before it was grounded?

How many "write-ups" did it get in it's FAA pre-cert/cert quals?

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Nobody ever told me, I found out for myself. You've got to believe in foolish miracles. It's not how you play the game, it's if you win or lose. You can choose. Don't confuse. Win or lose. It's up to you!

2/5/2012 5:50 PM

TeamGreen wrote:

Pretty sure it was a 330 outta Toulouse...early 90s.

Vmc'ed the airplane doing alpha-floor testing (get google warmed up). Crew found at fault.

I have no idea how many "write up's" it had during certification. That's a poor barometer of the long term quality of an airplane.

How come Airbus has outsold and out delivered Boeing over the last 10 years? What about the 787 boondoggle?

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2/5/2012 6:29 PM

TeamGreen wrote:

Pretty sure it was a 330 outta Toulouse...early 90s.

zjbell wrote:

Vmc'ed the airplane doing alpha-floor testing (get google warmed up). Crew found at fault.

I have no idea how many "write ...more

Yes, they pushed it in; but, why? Why didn't the Plane "allow" them to pull it out?

My "Barometer" for the 380 is it's continued failure during its production development cycles, it's power-plant failures In-FLIGHT & the simple fact that it's too much a/c for the industry & the current infra-structure.

Out-Sold? Really? You're taking to me like I'm an uninformed clown...& that's fine; but, between the 2 of us...I'm quite confident in my knowledge of the politics, regional-stupidity, lack of discipline/enforcement in the Global Aviation industry/market to FULLY understand WHY a Multi-National Eurobrand that's both "cheaper" and more politically viable for some of the scarier nations/regions/markets...to explain HOW the Bus out-sells Boeing...especially in South-East Asia, Africa, the 3rd World and other places where I WON'T fly the "Local" Airlines...and then there's China...India, etc.

787? Now you're talkIng about something I know a lil' bit about: let you in on a secret...

Putting together the 1st "truly" composite airliner has been very complicated and has suffered MANY delays; however, for me...it defines the difference between Bus & Boeing:

1 Company "pushes" the plane thru.

1 Company takes the time to fix things and change the Paradigm.

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Nobody ever told me, I found out for myself. You've got to believe in foolish miracles. It's not how you play the game, it's if you win or lose. You can choose. Don't confuse. Win or lose. It's up to you!

2/5/2012 6:47 PM

Torco1 wrote:

There's nothing better than having your flight delayed because they have to work on the plane.......and you get to be one of ...more

Well, maybe you need to be a glass-half-full kinda guy. I'd rather they were fixing things on the ground than letting them break in the air.

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2/5/2012 9:07 PM

TeamGreen wrote:

Pretty sure it was a 330 outta Toulouse...early 90s.

zjbell wrote:

Vmc'ed the airplane doing alpha-floor testing (get google warmed up). Crew found at fault.

I have no idea how many "write ...more

TeamGreen wrote:

Yes, they pushed it in; but, why? Why didn't the Plane "allow" them to pull it out?

My "Barometer" for the 380 is it's ...more

Power plant failures? You mean the Rolls engines? The engines that Airbus doesn't manufacture?

On a quad jet?

Honestly, an IFSD is not a giant deal in these airplanes. Just like any new design, there are problems that can only be replicated by every day line flying. (737's rudder PCU mystery?)

Airbus has snatched up loads of market share in the last 10 years, because they make a reliable, safe, comfortable, airplane.

Boeing is and should be concerned.

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2/5/2012 11:11 PM

zjbell wrote:

Power plant failures? You mean the Rolls engines? The engines that Airbus doesn't manufacture?

On a quad jet?

Honestly, an ...more

Rudder PCU? Is that where the rudder comes off in jet wash? Or was that a 737 that did that?

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2/6/2012 2:45 AM

I was delayed for 10 hours in Turin airport yesterday while they fixed the fucking plane.

You cant rush the Italians.

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2/6/2012 6:00 AM

Barrett57 wrote:

I was delayed for 10 hours in Turin airport yesterday while they fixed the fucking plane.

You cant rush the Italians.

A 10 hour delay to get things RIGHT would not bother me in the least if I'm strapping myself into an aluminum tube full of jet fuel with an unknown (to me) human at the controls.

At least you lived to tell about it.

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2/6/2012 11:57 AM

zjbell wrote:

Vmc'ed the airplane doing alpha-floor testing (get google warmed up). Crew found at fault.

I have no idea how many "write ...more

TeamGreen wrote:

Yes, they pushed it in; but, why? Why didn't the Plane "allow" them to pull it out?

My "Barometer" for the 380 is it's ...more

zjbell wrote:

Power plant failures? You mean the Rolls engines? The engines that Airbus doesn't manufacture?

On a quad jet?

Honestly, an ...more

People often neglect to recognize the a/c manufacturers roll in engine design, reqmts, ETOPS bragging rights...& most importantly..."Packaging" & INSTALLATION...including Shrouding, etc.

Then theres the lack of an answer on the "alpha" issue from your perspective...I know that you must recall the "conversations" amongst the flyers back when that happened?

Again, there's only ONE innovator here & one "knock-off" artist.

I'm jus' sayin'...

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Nobody ever told me, I found out for myself. You've got to believe in foolish miracles. It's not how you play the game, it's if you win or lose. You can choose. Don't confuse. Win or lose. It's up to you!

2/6/2012 2:14 PM

Packaging and installation? People dont often understand how little manufactures are involved.

ETOPS bragging rights for the A380? Extended TWIN Engine Operations.

The crew of that A330 were testing full aft CG, they vmc'ed the airplane.

Airbus is the innovator, without question. What they've done over the last 20 years has changed commercial aviation, Boeing is scrambling to catch up.

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2/7/2012 10:55 AM

zjbell wrote:

Packaging and installation? People dont often understand how little manufactures are involved.

ETOPS bragging rights for the ...more

Who has a Carbon-Fiber a/c out there flyin' routes and who doesn't?

Who made a knock-off of the original 747 design and who actually made the Huge a/c...IN THE '60s?

Who's had Waaaaaay too many of their a/c "Go in" in too few flt hours?

You really have this thing WAY backwards...coming from a guy who's been to & worked in Whales, Toulouse, Everett & tested things at Ames.

So, the "Customer" ain't involved in the Engine Design, Performance, Service and Install aspects of those Engines?

BTW, what's the best ETOPS rating of a 250+ passenger a/c?

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Nobody ever told me, I found out for myself. You've got to believe in foolish miracles. It's not how you play the game, it's if you win or lose. You can choose. Don't confuse. Win or lose. It's up to you!