2019 Raptor V8 coming back

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Edited Date/Time 12/31/2017 2:58pm
Yeah yeah yeah, EcoBoost blah blah blah. 7.0 liter V8 with a 10 speed auto is what I'm talking about. 'Merica

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I wish GM would bring back the 8.1, but in the 502 Boat version, turboed, 2500 or 3500 Truck.
A neighbor had a blown 8.1 with some crazy HP and torque numbers. Those things are beast.
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You lost me at 10 speed auto . New auto transmissions are like 5 pounds of dog shit in a blender.
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MR. X wrote:
You lost me at 10 speed auto . New auto transmissions are like 5 pounds of dog shit in a blender.
I don't know anything about passenger cars but 6 speed autos in Diesel pickups these days completely kick ass!
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MR. X wrote:
You lost me at 10 speed auto . New auto transmissions are like 5 pounds of dog shit in a blender.
You already have experience with the ford 10 sp transmission?

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MR. X wrote:
You lost me at 10 speed auto . New auto transmissions are like 5 pounds of dog shit in a blender.
DC98 wrote:
You already have experience with the ford 10 sp transmission?
I'm one of the few manual transmission guys left.
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Wait, the current Raptor doesn't come with a V8? That's lame as hell if so.
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MR. X 12/29/2017 3:36pm
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Ebs wrote:
Wait, the current Raptor doesn't come with a V8? That's lame as hell if so.
Twin turbo 3.5 liter v6
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Ebs wrote:
Wait, the current Raptor doesn't come with a V8? That's lame as hell if so.
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Twin turbo 3.5 liter v6
The first ones were the 6.2. The current 3.5 V6 ones are running like 18 lbs of boost and are quite a bit different than the standard 3.5 Eco boost.

Different cams, timing, everything. The problem is, the Raptor is a POS for anything of use other than driving around.

Maybe Ford will wake up and put the 7.0 in the 2500 and 3500. And NOT in a detuned version.


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MR. X wrote:
You lost me at 10 speed auto . New auto transmissions are like 5 pounds of dog shit in a blender.
The 8-speed in my Ram is friggin sweet.
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MR. X wrote:
You lost me at 10 speed auto . New auto transmissions are like 5 pounds of dog shit in a blender.
seth505 wrote:
The 8-speed in my Ram is friggin sweet.
Even when towing? My buddy has a brand new dinali and when pulling his lund, the transmission doesn't know if it should shit or go blind . Constantly searching for a gear with just the slightest change in accelerator position.
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MR. X wrote:
You lost me at 10 speed auto . New auto transmissions are like 5 pounds of dog shit in a blender.
seth505 wrote:
The 8-speed in my Ram is friggin sweet.
MR. X wrote:
Even when towing? My buddy has a brand new dinali and when pulling his lund, the transmission doesn't know if it should shit or go blind...
Even when towing? My buddy has a brand new dinali and when pulling his lund, the transmission doesn't know if it should shit or go blind . Constantly searching for a gear with just the slightest change in accelerator position.
It's not a Denali 2500 or 3500 HD.
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MR. X wrote:
Even when towing? My buddy has a brand new dinali and when pulling his lund, the transmission doesn't know if it should shit or go blind...
Even when towing? My buddy has a brand new dinali and when pulling his lund, the transmission doesn't know if it should shit or go blind . Constantly searching for a gear with just the slightest change in accelerator position.
I haul a 15000 pound 5er. That is when my better half's Ford 6 speed auto shines. I can't speak for an 8 but I imagine it is even better. It works with the variable geometry turbo as an exhaust brake as well.
My old 5 speed standards were ok and my 4 speed auto in my Dodge(48RE) gets by but honestly it is night and day better in the mountains or cities when loaded. Flat land on the highway no big deal just get it rolling and set cruise but everywhere else it keeps the power to the ground.
Fuel mileage is unreal considering all things.
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Rhino 12/30/2017 10:55am
12/30/2017 10:55am Edited Date/Time 12/30/2017 11:43am
Most blame the drivetrain, but what they need to blame is they bought a rig with too little of an engine and grocery getter gearing!

For example, will a 3.5 Eco boost have enough power to pull 12-15K up a 10% grade for 30 miles? Yes. However it will drive the transmission nuts because to do so it will be wound up screaming and the electronics will keep telling it to upshift for mileage. As soon as it upshifts, it falls on its face, and again downshifts. And repeat. And repeat again.

This is where the 6.4 Hemi, the old 8.1 gassers, and diesels shine. They have so much torque, you can lug it, or rev it, and the transmission doesn't do anything.


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MR. X wrote:
You lost me at 10 speed auto . New auto transmissions are like 5 pounds of dog shit in a blender.
seth505 wrote:
The 8-speed in my Ram is friggin sweet.
MR. X wrote:
Even when towing? My buddy has a brand new dinali and when pulling his lund, the transmission doesn't know if it should shit or go blind...
Even when towing? My buddy has a brand new dinali and when pulling his lund, the transmission doesn't know if it should shit or go blind . Constantly searching for a gear with just the slightest change in accelerator position.
The only Silverado I have ever owned was the same way. Chaulked it up to crappy gear ratio. Chipped it and it made a world of difference
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It's probably mostly for fuel efficiency, but all those gears help keep the engine in a narrower rpm range. So, it should be better for towing. The more work the transmission does, the less work the engine has to do.
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Ebs wrote:
It's probably mostly for fuel efficiency, but all those gears help keep the engine in a narrower rpm range. So, it should be better for towing...
It's probably mostly for fuel efficiency, but all those gears help keep the engine in a narrower rpm range. So, it should be better for towing. The more work the transmission does, the less work the engine has to do.
Have you driven a truck, on the highway, that shifts at every teeny tiny change in throttle position or incline? It is terrible. As someone else mentioned, it feels like they do not know whether to shit or go blind.

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MR. X wrote:
Even when towing? My buddy has a brand new dinali and when pulling his lund, the transmission doesn't know if it should shit or go blind...
Even when towing? My buddy has a brand new dinali and when pulling his lund, the transmission doesn't know if it should shit or go blind . Constantly searching for a gear with just the slightest change in accelerator position.
Yessir, my tranny works like a dream with a load. I push the Tow/Haul button and it even downshifts perfect. I frickin' love this goat.


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Yea less gears are better for towing that's why they never made split shift axles and put 2 speeds in semis...lol
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Hut wrote:
Yea less gears are better for towing that's why they never made split shift axles and put 2 speeds in semis...lol
It's not the quantity of gears ,it's the fact you can't control which gear to use . Maybe i just have control issues Laughing
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Hut wrote:
Yea less gears are better for towing that's why they never made split shift axles and put 2 speeds in semis...lol
MR. X wrote:
It's not the quantity of gears ,it's the fact you can't control which gear to use . Maybe i just have control issues Laughing
Our 6 speed auto has "manual mode" pick a number 1 through 6 I know you would love that one. Sometimes I prefer that over tow/haul mode
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Rhino wrote:
I wish GM would bring back the 8.1, but in the 502 Boat version, turboed, 2500 or 3500 Truck. A neighbor had a blown 8.1 with...
I wish GM would bring back the 8.1, but in the 502 Boat version, turboed, 2500 or 3500 Truck.
A neighbor had a blown 8.1 with some crazy HP and torque numbers. Those things are beast.
Oh how I wished that would have stayed. I have a 6.0 in my work truck and it does OK but the mpg is so bad I would rather have the 8.1 and have more power.
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Rhino 12/30/2017 8:43pm
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Hut wrote:
Yea less gears are better for towing that's why they never made split shift axles and put 2 speeds in semis...lol
MR. X wrote:
It's not the quantity of gears ,it's the fact you can't control which gear to use . Maybe i just have control issues Laughing
That's because your rig can't pull the gear. It's like a 125 compared to a 500.

6.4, 8.1s diesels etc have no problems with 6 gears. Hell not even 5.
I don't even use tow/haul mode. There is no hunting for gears.
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Rhino wrote:
Most blame the drivetrain, but what they need to blame is they bought a rig with too little of an engine and grocery getter gearing! For...
Most blame the drivetrain, but what they need to blame is they bought a rig with too little of an engine and grocery getter gearing!

For example, will a 3.5 Eco boost have enough power to pull 12-15K up a 10% grade for 30 miles? Yes. However it will drive the transmission nuts because to do so it will be wound up screaming and the electronics will keep telling it to upshift for mileage. As soon as it upshifts, it falls on its face, and again downshifts. And repeat. And repeat again.

This is where the 6.4 Hemi, the old 8.1 gassers, and diesels shine. They have so much torque, you can lug it, or rev it, and the transmission doesn't do anything.


Did you buy/experience these trucks with other peoples mortgage money?
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MR. X wrote:
You lost me at 10 speed auto . New auto transmissions are like 5 pounds of dog shit in a blender.
seth505 wrote:
The 8-speed in my Ram is friggin sweet.
MR. X wrote:
Even when towing? My buddy has a brand new dinali and when pulling his lund, the transmission doesn't know if it should shit or go blind...
Even when towing? My buddy has a brand new dinali and when pulling his lund, the transmission doesn't know if it should shit or go blind . Constantly searching for a gear with just the slightest change in accelerator position.
Gotta say Im not a big tower, just loading dirtbikes normally. My old 5 speed Ram would hunt on hilly highways but this one stays where it should, very pleased. I am also picky on gearing, 3.92 gears and wouldn’t buy with the 3.55, 3.21 or whatever else.
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Rhino wrote:
Most blame the drivetrain, but what they need to blame is they bought a rig with too little of an engine and grocery getter gearing! For...
Most blame the drivetrain, but what they need to blame is they bought a rig with too little of an engine and grocery getter gearing!

For example, will a 3.5 Eco boost have enough power to pull 12-15K up a 10% grade for 30 miles? Yes. However it will drive the transmission nuts because to do so it will be wound up screaming and the electronics will keep telling it to upshift for mileage. As soon as it upshifts, it falls on its face, and again downshifts. And repeat. And repeat again.

This is where the 6.4 Hemi, the old 8.1 gassers, and diesels shine. They have so much torque, you can lug it, or rev it, and the transmission doesn't do anything.


avidchimp wrote:
Did you buy/experience these trucks with other peoples mortgage money?
Was wondering the same thing.
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Rhino wrote:
Most blame the drivetrain, but what they need to blame is they bought a rig with too little of an engine and grocery getter gearing! For...
Most blame the drivetrain, but what they need to blame is they bought a rig with too little of an engine and grocery getter gearing!

For example, will a 3.5 Eco boost have enough power to pull 12-15K up a 10% grade for 30 miles? Yes. However it will drive the transmission nuts because to do so it will be wound up screaming and the electronics will keep telling it to upshift for mileage. As soon as it upshifts, it falls on its face, and again downshifts. And repeat. And repeat again.

This is where the 6.4 Hemi, the old 8.1 gassers, and diesels shine. They have so much torque, you can lug it, or rev it, and the transmission doesn't do anything.


avidchimp wrote:
Did you buy/experience these trucks with other peoples mortgage money?
kzizok wrote:
Was wondering the same thing.
In all fairness, it's been pretty well documented that Paul is a connoisseur of trannies.........

Usually it seems to be the Asian variety, though.
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avidchimp 12/31/2017 2:38pm
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APLMAN99 wrote:
In all fairness, it's been pretty well documented that Paul is a connoisseur of trannies.........

Usually it seems to be the Asian variety, though.
LaughingLaughingLaughing

Funny how he always disappears when it get's called out.
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kzizok 12/31/2017 2:57pm
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APLMAN99 wrote:
In all fairness, it's been pretty well documented that Paul is a connoisseur of trannies.........

Usually it seems to be the Asian variety, though.
avidchimp wrote:
LaughingLaughingLaughing

Funny how he always disappears when it get's called out.
Ha!

Yep, crickets.

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