works suspension takes 30 foot case WTF

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Edited Date/Time 3/7/2020 11:54pm
try to get your stock shit to handle that case!

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Dirty Points 3/6/2020 2:02pm
3/6/2020 2:02pm Edited Date/Time 3/6/2020 2:06pm
michaelgood wrote:
try to get your stock shit to handle that case!

Stock components with the same spring rate and similar valving setting? No problem
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michaelgood 3/6/2020 2:07pm
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for sure no problem easy as 123 race tech with gold valves
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Dirty Points 3/6/2020 2:08pm
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michaelgood wrote:
for sure no problem easy as 123 race tech with gold valves
fast guys tend to have stiff settings whether A kit or Z kit.

And current stock components have gotten really good.
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No talent mod there either.......Dry

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Oooof.



Works boingies or not, that had to hurt. Look at those ankles.

McAdoo has talent for days though. I'd say riding out of that one was 50% rider ability.
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Oooof. [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2020/03/06/408964/s1200_Screen_Shot_2020_03_06_at_6.02.49_PM.jpg[/img] Works boingies or not, that had to hurt. Look at those ankles. McAdoo has talent for days though. I'd say riding out of that...
Oooof.



Works boingies or not, that had to hurt. Look at those ankles.

McAdoo has talent for days though. I'd say riding out of that one was 50% rider ability.
95%
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michaelgood wrote:
try to get your stock shit to handle that case!

Dirty Points is absolutely right. It's just shims, springs and oil at some point.
The current stock stuff is pretty damn good and with a good setting it can handle a lot more than you seem to think.

You see the race-tech stickers on his forks in that photo? Think about that for a second or two.
Jeff Walker isn't riding on factory suspension, nor is he riding kit stuff as far as I know.

I bet he could handle that case and he's a back marker at best so far in his career.
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Naanak 3/6/2020 3:37pm
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Forks off a works edition = stock forks with coatings. The shock is a kit.
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michaelgood wrote:
try to get your stock shit to handle that case!

Dirty Points wrote:
Stock components with the same spring rate and similar valving setting? No problem
I thought the A kit and works stuff actually use softer springs? At least for the shock.

Was just reading a bike build in a magazine and they had the wrong spring in the A kit shock and it wouldn’t even move. Had to put a much softer then stock spring in it.
Dirty Points 3/6/2020 6:19pm
3/6/2020 6:19pm Edited Date/Time 3/6/2020 7:25pm
The current stock 49mm Honda, Suzuki, and Kawi fork is basically the same design, minus setup, as what you can watch Barcia case this massive triple on at :30 (and then continue on to hit Milsaps in the same corner):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4146yFYlY8k

There probably is a large advantage in works suspension, but it is not really an equipment advantage. The primary advantage is people: a braintrust that can set these machines up and maintain them more consistently to the target of a rider than others.
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who ever that was on that video was hauling the mail.......
Dirty Points 3/6/2020 7:17pm
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who ever that was on that video was hauling the mail.......
who ever that was on that video was hauling the mail.......
Jeff Walker (on stock-based suspension).
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I've done exactly that on an 03 crf with relatively stock suspension. My wheels did bend, but I didn't wreck. Literally almost the exact same deal as in the vid, on that very jump.
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michaelgood 3/6/2020 8:56pm
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more stock suspension in action for sure that's why you see jeff walker and all the stockers casing from 30 feet in the air just fine cause its totally a normal thing and also why KTM makes sure you can't get a hold of 52mm cone valve forks unless you sign your soul over in contract and are on a team. For sure stock shit is the same as 50 grand works suspension totally makes sense why all the major suspension companies make sure with all their billions in resources and legal power to make sure you as johnny stock suspension never get a hold of the stuff to reverse engineer it cause its just oil and shims right LOLOOL you can fool the fans but you cannot fool the players.




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Dirty Points 3/6/2020 8:58pm
3/6/2020 8:58pm Edited Date/Time 3/6/2020 9:17pm
michaelgood wrote:
more stock suspension in action for sure that's why you see jeff walker and all the stockers casing from 30 feet in the air just fine...
more stock suspension in action for sure that's why you see jeff walker and all the stockers casing from 30 feet in the air just fine cause its totally a normal thing and also why KTM makes sure you can't get a hold of 52mm cone valve forks unless you sign your soul over in contract and are on a team. For sure stock shit is the same as 50 grand works suspension totally makes sense why all the major suspension companies make sure with all their billions in resources and legal power to make sure you as johnny stock suspension never get a hold of the stuff to reverse engineer it cause its just oil and shims right LOLOOL you can fool the fans but you cannot fool the players.




Stewart in the second of those videos is on suspension very similar to the current Showa 49mm stock on several bikes. The first vid is on units (48mm Kayaba) that are likely functionally inferior to some current stock models.

What you are seeing on display in those two videos is TALENT and SKILL both from rider and techs.

And, as has been ascertained in countless test rides, those settings that they will "never let you get a hold of" are pretty much off the target to all but that specific rider.
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Meister 3/6/2020 9:14pm
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Are you just bitter?

Certainly in some instances the fancy shit can save your ass, but the leap one wasn't a good example.

PS, I also couldve bought 52s when I had a ktm. Get to know people.

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michaelgood wrote:
more stock suspension in action for sure that's why you see jeff walker and all the stockers casing from 30 feet in the air just fine...
more stock suspension in action for sure that's why you see jeff walker and all the stockers casing from 30 feet in the air just fine cause its totally a normal thing and also why KTM makes sure you can't get a hold of 52mm cone valve forks unless you sign your soul over in contract and are on a team. For sure stock shit is the same as 50 grand works suspension totally makes sense why all the major suspension companies make sure with all their billions in resources and legal power to make sure you as johnny stock suspension never get a hold of the stuff to reverse engineer it cause its just oil and shims right LOLOOL you can fool the fans but you cannot fool the players.




Dirty Points wrote:
Stewart in the second of those videos is on suspension very similar to the current Showa 49mm stock on several bikes. The first vid is on...
Stewart in the second of those videos is on suspension very similar to the current Showa 49mm stock on several bikes. The first vid is on units (48mm Kayaba) that are likely functionally inferior to some current stock models.

What you are seeing on display in those two videos is TALENT and SKILL both from rider and techs.

And, as has been ascertained in countless test rides, those settings that they will "never let you get a hold of" are pretty much off the target to all but that specific rider.
I'll disagree on that, go have a look in Tokyo Tiddlers build where he shows the internal of some factory Showa forks from the early 2000's old factory suspension is no joke.
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I don't know what year that is for Bubba but he ran hybrid Showa/KYB's on the 125 and 50mm KYB's on the 250
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Properly set up stock suspension is more than adequate for 90% of the motocrossers who ride tracks. To answer the OP's question - Don't need factory suspension to do that . . . but it would be nice to have it
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hubbardmx50 3/7/2020 9:17am
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Naanak wrote:
Forks off a works edition = stock forks with coatings. The shock is a kit.
Aren’t the current Honda forks WE and Regular edition Very close to A Kit though? The internals are huge.
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Ozy wrote:
Properly set up stock suspension is more than adequate for 90% of the motocrossers who ride tracks. To answer the OP's question - Don't need factory...
Properly set up stock suspension is more than adequate for 90% of the motocrossers who ride tracks. To answer the OP's question - Don't need factory suspension to do that . . . but it would be nice to have it
Agree. Kyle Chisholm is making SX mains on modern tracks with oem showroom suspension. Stock suspension should be more than enough for mere mortals.
The stock stuff now a days is very good.
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JB 19 3/7/2020 11:17am
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The guy who built that wheel set is the one who should get a pat on the back.

The landing was just a pro rider doing what pro's do.
Dirty Points 3/7/2020 2:09pm
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Naanak wrote:
Forks off a works edition = stock forks with coatings. The shock is a kit.
hubbardmx50 wrote:
Aren’t the current Honda forks WE and Regular edition Very close to A Kit though? The internals are huge.
Yes, and the same forks are on the Kawi and Suzuki.
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GCBC 3/7/2020 6:48pm
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idc what suspension you've got, slaming that hard with 12inches of travel is a hell of a lot of G on your wrists/ankles and spine if/when you hit the seat.
id be bent if I landed from that high to flat let alone short
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Naanak wrote:
Forks off a works edition = stock forks with coatings. The shock is a kit.
hubbardmx50 wrote:
Aren’t the current Honda forks WE and Regular edition Very close to A Kit though? The internals are huge.
Dirty Points wrote:
Yes, and the same forks are on the Kawi and Suzuki.
Ah no, works forks aren't even close to A-kit let alone the stock forks...
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Dirty Points 3/7/2020 9:50pm
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hubbardmx50 wrote:
Aren’t the current Honda forks WE and Regular edition Very close to A Kit though? The internals are huge.
Dirty Points wrote:
Yes, and the same forks are on the Kawi and Suzuki.
Helda3 wrote:
Ah no, works forks aren't even close to A-kit let alone the stock forks...
There are only a few fairly minor differences between current A-Kit and stock Showa forks
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Dirty Points wrote:
Yes, and the same forks are on the Kawi and Suzuki.
Helda3 wrote:
Ah no, works forks aren't even close to A-kit let alone the stock forks...
Dirty Points wrote:
There are only a few fairly minor differences between current A-Kit and stock Showa forks
What are the differences?

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