why no love for 450B?

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8/7/2022 9:39am Edited Date/Time 8/10/2022 7:54am
Kid wins both 450B and 450B limited and nothing. Avery Long is his name. Id say probably a diamond in the rough? 1:54/1:55 laptimes
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8/7/2022 10:10am
Unfortunately 450B isn’t a class manufacturer’s/sponsors really care about anymore same with 250B limited if you aren’t winning supermini/250B or pro sport you aren’t getting much out of it. One of local riders won 450B last year at LL and it still racing the bike he won it on.
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8/7/2022 10:16am
Avery is a really good kid, great family. We’ll have an interview with him this week.
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8/7/2022 11:06am
It’s a vicious circle of people not caring about it so no one that’s a big name enters it. No reason I think it switches every couple years people seem to gravitate towards different classes. The win isn’t as big of a deal as 250B cause there isn’t the same level of talent depth. Supermini, 250 B and schoolboy get all the hype
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8/7/2022 11:28am
450B used to be just another 250B class as everyone racing it was on 250's and the majority were the same riders...now those riders are racing the Schoolboy 2 class instead....
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8/7/2022 1:17pm
No one needs a 450, that's why.

When the current generation of stock 250F's are putting out the same to more HP's than the 2005ish factory 2 strokes with more torque and lighter weight and modern frame, brakes, electronics, etc...
= a bike that's faster, easier to ride, and able to do things easier on the track. also resulting less experienced riders to get in situations they aren't ready for.
(just watch 250 class supercross and see these riders hitting the triple from the inside to prove my concern)

So in my eyes 450's are overkill and no longer needed, and 125 2 strokes are a vital part in the sport of moto.

This isn't the reason to answer the question but should be looked into by the big bosses tho.
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8/7/2022 2:41pm
I really feel like 450b stopped being as looked at when MXSports raised the 450 age to 16. I could be wrong though. But I always enjoyed watching the guys that raced 250B race 450B to see who did and didn’t do as well on the big bike.
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8/7/2022 3:09pm Edited Date/Time 8/7/2022 3:13pm
It's not that no one is looking at the 450 B class, it's that the 250 B class is now full of the future "factory stars". Well, actually it is full of factor riders. So all this attention is getting paid to that class All those factory riders should be in A class and then no one would be watching the 250 B class just like the 450 B class. Why they are allowed to sign up and ride in B class is beyond me.
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ML512 wrote:
Avery is a really good kid, great family. We’ll have an interview with him this week.
very cool and deserved. 2 titles at lorettas is a big deal. curious to hear about him and his bike choice.
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8/7/2022 7:29pm
Winning 450 B at the National Championship is a big deal, but the 250 B class has been the premier "amateur class" at the Loretta's for several decades. That's were the heavy hitters are and probably the most closely watched class there.

There is a reason why Open Pro Sport, 250 Pro Sport and 250B have special slots in the schedule.
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8/8/2022 12:00pm Edited Date/Time 8/8/2022 12:10pm
cable wrote:
Kid wins both 450B and 450B limited and nothing. Avery Long is his name. Id say probably a diamond in the rough? 1:54/1:55 laptimes
Problem is, the top B riders in the premier 250 classes were running sub 50 second lap times. The tip of the spear is mighty narrow.
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8/8/2022 1:58pm
Avery Long won the Amatuer racer of the year award at the Ranch. I'd say that's getting the recognition he deserved for not racing the premier classes?


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8/8/2022 2:02pm
Kid is an absolute animal on a bike. Been on the track with him a few times in MN and even in a short 5-6 lap race its everything you can do to not go a lap down.
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Payup_199 wrote:
Avery Long won the Amatuer racer of the year award at the Ranch. I'd say that's getting the recognition he deserved for not racing the premier...
Avery Long won the Amatuer racer of the year award at the Ranch. I'd say that's getting the recognition he deserved for not racing the premier classes?


WOW thats awesome.
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8/10/2022 7:25am
Try explaining Loretta Lynn's to a non-motocross person. 250B being the premier scouting class is counter-intuitive.

Me: 250B is the premier scouting class for factory rides
Normal Person: Wait. Isn't B the intermediate class and supposed to be for riders of lesser skill than A class (expert)?
Me: In a normal world, yes. In grass roots, local motocross, yes. At LL's, no.
Normal Person: And isn't a 250 smaller than a 450 - more entry level?
Me: In a normal world, yes. In grass roots, local racing, also yes. At LL's, no.
Normal Person: You motocross guys have landed on your heads one too many times.
Me: Seems likely.
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8/10/2022 7:53am
kripple428 wrote:
Unfortunately 450B isn’t a class manufacturer’s/sponsors really care about anymore same with 250B limited if you aren’t winning supermini/250B or pro sport you aren’t getting much...
Unfortunately 450B isn’t a class manufacturer’s/sponsors really care about anymore same with 250B limited if you aren’t winning supermini/250B or pro sport you aren’t getting much out of it. One of local riders won 450B last year at LL and it still racing the bike he won it on.
If a rider dominates hard enough they may find their way into the inner circle. Levi Kitchen was running 250 B Limited and 450 B Limited at LLs in '20. He dominated and posted some crazy fast lap times which brought him into the fold. They definitely aren't the premier classes but if you don't have the money/support to challenge for top 5 in 250 B then they are probably a better choice to showcase yourself and try to line up a better ride/support for A class.

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