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You are spoiled
With tracks that resemble supercross track. You want a track that FLOWS .
Turn,double double,turn ,single to table (dont leave your bars loose),turn,step up,turn,blah blah.
And,whoops that aren't to tall not to close together,so you're lack of skill still lets you skim like they aren't there.
You throw down 200 bucks to enter the gate,enter the class with 9 other guys in it,do your 4 laps and go home,
Never taking off with 39 others good riders,and god forbid a rut appears on a jump face.
When you or your kid tries to transition to pro or the LLs program and sees what moto really is ,you or he can't because of always riding tracks the FLOW or have ruts and knots on the jump face.
Spoiled,like most of society is these days.
With tracks that resemble supercross track. You want a track that FLOWS .
Turn,double double,turn ,single to table (dont leave your bars loose),turn,step up,turn,blah blah.
And,whoops that aren't to tall not to close together,so you're lack of skill still lets you skim like they aren't there.
You throw down 200 bucks to enter the gate,enter the class with 9 other guys in it,do your 4 laps and go home,
Never taking off with 39 others good riders,and god forbid a rut appears on a jump face.
When you or your kid tries to transition to pro or the LLs program and sees what moto really is ,you or he can't because of always riding tracks the FLOW or have ruts and knots on the jump face.
Spoiled,like most of society is these days.
I didn't like it because it felt like a backyard mini SX track. It's perfect for an 85, but for a 250f it sucked.
Although the layout did look better this year after the removal of two big rhythm sections:
https://youtu.be/lAjtHNkpu0E
Your post couldn't be more misleading, and was more of a rant about a type of rider then the actual track.
And since you felt the need to make a new thread, I'll throw this in. You can make a track flow better and have more options without making huge triples double rhythm sections whoops whatever the hell you are talking about. It doesn't need a hundred new jumps. That's not what anyone wants. Did you watch last 450a Moto? Renzland was on hampshires wheel for most of the race, yet there was only probably 1 or maybe 2 places where any kind of an alternate line was possible. There is not a single technical obstacle on the race track anymore besides the Ten Commandments which have shrunk to about half the size they use to be in the last couple years.
Remember the table single or table triple in the back? Or the section of singles after the finish line? Or how gnarly the commandments were...
Every jump has just gotten so small over the last 5 years or so and the hardest part of the track is now a sandy sweeper.. It's one lined for two equally matched riders
The Shop
Good one, billyhill.
It's a tough bastard to go fast on for 20 minutes. Thought I trained hard for the first trip there back in 87.. Been back a few more times and still find it difficult to be in good enough shape to go hard for the entire moto.
It is the best moto vacation out there. The weather gods were kind this year..
Do you hear the riders bitching? Do you hear family members who were there bitching? NO you don't.
Lorretta's was once again a success, provided many in the moto community life long memories and stories. I get that a lot of people like to complain and bitch and moan around this place, and it doesn't really bother me. But c'mon, bitching about the LL track, give me a break. Get off your high horse and go bitch about how you can't afford to ride your 06 two stroke because track fees are too high.
When people do complain, I always find it useful to ask them what place they got. Gringoe? Triple Five?
Most of the riders who were there sure seemed to like the track and the challenges it presented, and I thought the racing was pretty damn exciting, even if Renzland could not pass Hampshire. (Actually, since Hampshire won all six motos, maybe he was just that little fraction faster and did a good job of holding him off?)
Regardless, we will try harder next year. And the next year...
DC
MX Sports
You'd be surprised at my finishes. I have hardware from Loretta's and am no stranger to the ranch and have had good years and bad years.
***no I'm not a delusional physco person trying to live a secret life on the internet motocross board by acting like I'm fast. Just trying to give my opinion, because hillbilly keeps wanting to talk about how amazing it looks.
For those of you that go every year is that perception correct or am I just projecting what I would like to see?
29th in 250 B.
Had qualifiers at Lakewood, Cycle Ranch, and Lake Whittney. The difference between those tracks and LL are night and day.
Pit Row
Yes,I remember those sections.
I remember the triple out of the far back corner,hit it 2nd lap of practice,by my moto it was so jacked up one could barely double it.
Moon crater holes and chop so bad I was in fear of getting a flat from running over my shock cuz I knew it musta fell off somewhere on the previous lap.
The singles that lead into the table in the middle would leave your legs burning .
It is amazing that a week of full gate starts have very few serious injuries.
We've never really had big jumps at Loretta Lynn's, other than the tabletop, but you either had to make it so far that only a few classes could jump it -- and minis would still try -- or small enough that almost everyone could jump it.
What Marc Peters and my brother-in-law Jeff Russell have come up with is a rough, uneven track that's less spectacular than it is challenging. With long motos, plenty of lines (not sure where the one-line criticism comes from) and a cross-section of the country's best riders, it works out best for what we're trying to do, which is hold an AMA National Championship on a "level" playing field and then send everyone home safely.
As always, any suggestions or ideas or just even straight-up complaints are welcome -- we listen to them all. And thanks for coming.
DC
MX Sports
I'm sure it was better suited for big bikes before four strokes took over.
How so?
PS Congrats on your dedication and for making LL!
I feel that the track was a little tight but the layout was awesome and the "obstacles ?" on the track really made the riders plan ahead and pick good lines and those tight rutted corners really made for some great racing.
The only thing I think I would like to see is a little more maintenance because I know a motocross track is supposed to be rough but I also see allot of kids get hurt when the track is let go to long.
That being said, It was good to see not many crashes this year.
That's like Lake Elsinore vs Glen Helen. One has elevation changes and one doesn't.
I made it to LL in 84, Open B. I got smoked. I do remember it was hot and humid. Hung up a towel to dry. It never dried all week long. We camped in a tent, old school tough guys we are.
The track had deep ruts. We were moto 1 and the first practice. After practice the track was beat all up. I didn't mind that at all. I quit MX in 94 because the tracks I was riding were just outdoor SX, and SX was not my thing. The tracks got slower, tighter, smoother, and lots of jumps. I like speed, bumps and elevation changes in my MX tracks. I loved Lake Whitney. I went off-road in 94 and never looked back.
The primary difference between LL and those tracks is the land that they are located on. LL is completely flat and packed into a small area. To compensate, all the terrain is man-made. The whole track just feels crunched together. While it would be completely fine for an 85 or 125, it was just felt way too tight for a 250f -- it felt more like SX than moto because of its technicality.
Conversely, Lakewood, Lake Whitney, and Cycle Ranch are on gigantic plots of land with huge elevation changes. A lot more opportunity to "hang it out" if you will.
I don't know if you've had the pleasure of visiting Lake Whitney before it shut down or Cycle Ranch, but those are two of the best tracks in the United States.
Lakewood is a ton of fun as well:
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