tomac running vilopotos pace...WTF?

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Edited Date/Time 1/27/2012 6:56pm
Holy hell...

can we talk about how tomac was running consistent 53 second lap times?? In both his qualifier, heat and also dipped into 53 a few times in the main event.. The ONLY other rider to dip into 53's all day / night is phil poto ... (yea, that means eli tomac is running faster laps on a 250F than james stewart is on a 450....OH yea, and EVERY other 450 rider, including, but not limited to Ryan Dungey, Chad Reed, Trey Canard, etc ... WHAT IN THE FU......??)


Tomac is on another level for sure....
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1/21/2012 9:52pm
The boy done good!
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The track has one rhythm for the whole thing regardless of displacement size. If anything, a 250f is easier to corner, so they might be a better bike for the conditions.
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TannerMxer wrote:
The track has one rhythm for the whole thing regardless of displacement size. If anything, a 250f is easier to corner, so they might be a...
The track has one rhythm for the whole thing regardless of displacement size. If anything, a 250f is easier to corner, so they might be a better bike for the conditions.
Ok, so why isnt EVERYONE running the same lap times...


be real dude, the kid deserves credit where credit is due, stop trying to down play this... the kid is phenomenal
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TannerMxer wrote:
The track has one rhythm for the whole thing regardless of displacement size. If anything, a 250f is easier to corner, so they might be a...
The track has one rhythm for the whole thing regardless of displacement size. If anything, a 250f is easier to corner, so they might be a better bike for the conditions.
probably like arenacross when you see guys ride there 250 in the 450 class

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TannerMxer wrote:
The track has one rhythm for the whole thing regardless of displacement size. If anything, a 250f is easier to corner, so they might be a...
The track has one rhythm for the whole thing regardless of displacement size. If anything, a 250f is easier to corner, so they might be a better bike for the conditions.
sharkey wrote:
probably like arenacross when you see guys ride there 250 in the 450 class
No... this is probably like supercross, where you have ONE kid on a 250F running faster laps than 99% of the fastest guys in the world on 450's
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How was it moronic? You're telling me that by the end of the night the lines aren't more developed? We'll see if the 450 main has more people in the 53's. I mean, you are comparing times from races that happened several hours apart with new lines formed in the LCQ. It looks like, to me, you are moronic for not being a good analyst. I analyst software for a living so I have to look at all the angles, so I tend to do that with everything, especially Sx/Mx.
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he did the same thing last week too with the fastest lap of the night. only faster average lap times last week were RV1 and RD5.
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1) The track had no sections where the power of a 450 was needed.

2) The track was slick so the power of a 450 compared to a 250 made little or no difference

3) The 250 is lighter and can be turned slightly easier in some situations depending on the above

4) The track conditions would of degraded some compared to the 250 main

5) Either way you look at it Tomac is a great rider and has been the fastest guy in all of the 250 rounds
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1/23/2012 3:03pm
Although there are arguable advantages of the 250 over the 450 for some conditions, ya' gotta give credit where it's due: Tomac's flyin'.
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1/23/2012 3:19pm
The track was too easy. Nothing to seperate the top guys. 250 or 450.

Tomac could jump everything the 450s could jump.
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1/23/2012 3:29pm
Great for Tomac ... can't wait to see him on a 450 ... he's going to be a contender. The 450 guys were struggling for traction in LA... lots of wheel spin out of the corners and trouble getting the bikes slowed down enough to make some of the corners. Less is more sometimes.
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IceMan446 wrote:
The track was too easy. Nothing to seperate the top guys. 250 or 450.

Tomac could jump everything the 450s could jump.
Does that also count for Budd's MxDN in '07 when Villopoto killed the entire field on his 250f?

Sometimes a rider is just feeling it, and kills it. Think Tomac had one of those nights, and I hope there's more to come.
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Eli was jumpn stuff the 450's weren't... And his corner speed was insane...

And.... Historically... Even with more blown out tracks, and slick tracks, the bigger bikes have been at least a second faster n the mains.... But not this year... Have the 450 riders slowed down, or is tomac on a completely different level? Makes ya wonder...
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gt80rider wrote:
Eli was jumpn stuff the 450's weren't... And his corner speed was insane... And.... Historically... Even with more blown out tracks, and slick tracks, the bigger...
Eli was jumpn stuff the 450's weren't... And his corner speed was insane...

And.... Historically... Even with more blown out tracks, and slick tracks, the bigger bikes have been at least a second faster n the mains.... But not this year... Have the 450 riders slowed down, or is tomac on a completely different level? Makes ya wonder...
Imagine if he was on a 250T, they're 2 seconds a lap faster, it's been tested!
1/23/2012 5:35pm
yet another reason to bring back 125cc two strokes, and have 3 classes, as just like in the early 90s, the biggest class of bike is overkill. 125/250/Open

there is no illusion here. Even at the wide open outdoor nations, Baggett and Wilson at almost every race were running lap times that would have podiumed in the 450s.

I think the AMA just knows without a doubt that Japan would tell them to "Fuck off" if they tried to change the displacement rules now.

Kutabare = Fuck off in Japanese, if anyone was wondering.
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yet another reason to bring back 125cc two strokes, and have 3 classes, as just like in the early 90s, the biggest class of bike is...
yet another reason to bring back 125cc two strokes, and have 3 classes, as just like in the early 90s, the biggest class of bike is overkill. 125/250/Open

there is no illusion here. Even at the wide open outdoor nations, Baggett and Wilson at almost every race were running lap times that would have podiumed in the 450s.

I think the AMA just knows without a doubt that Japan would tell them to "Fuck off" if they tried to change the displacement rules now.

Kutabare = Fuck off in Japanese, if anyone was wondering.
What the fuck do you know Charles Bronsfuller? Laughing
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TannerMxer wrote:
How was it moronic? You're telling me that by the end of the night the lines aren't more developed? We'll see if the 450 main has...
How was it moronic? You're telling me that by the end of the night the lines aren't more developed? We'll see if the 450 main has more people in the 53's. I mean, you are comparing times from races that happened several hours apart with new lines formed in the LCQ. It looks like, to me, you are moronic for not being a good analyst. I analyst software for a living so I have to look at all the angles, so I tend to do that with everything, especially Sx/Mx.
Youre kidding right ? I mean REALLY? ... wow

Great analyst you are when you can't even figure out I was talking about the main event ...

To answer your questions, no one in the 450 main dropped in the 53s... No one.


But man I love how half of you guys refuse to give credit to this kid.... Instead you just make up excuses as to why he was faster, as if he was SUPPOSED to be faster.

Its almost as if he HADN'T run 53s you all would've been talking about how slow he was right ?? Too funny

The kid was and is absolutely flying and would've smoked reed stewart and dungey. FACT


But sure, well just pretend this kid isn't impressive. Yup, you guys are ALL right, he was slow as shit I mean really that track was built for 250s and be should've been running 52s at LEAST.
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3 classes? No, just 1 real class, where the fast guys race each other, and 1 support class, where the slow guys practice how to get fast.
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IceMan446 wrote:
The track was too easy. Nothing to seperate the top guys. 250 or 450.

Tomac could jump everything the 450s could jump.
petegrath wrote:
Does that also count for Budd's MxDN in '07 when Villopoto killed the entire field on his 250f? Sometimes a rider is just feeling it, and...
Does that also count for Budd's MxDN in '07 when Villopoto killed the entire field on his 250f?

Sometimes a rider is just feeling it, and kills it. Think Tomac had one of those nights, and I hope there's more to come.
Not saying that he didn't have a great night. He was on the gas. We have seen this happen before.

But there were no rhythm sections to separate the big bikes from the little bikes. Usually there is at least one jump or section that the 450s can jump that the 250s cant.

Not to mention a 450 doesn't equate to faster lap times.

Corner speed is king. Doesn't matter if its a 450 or 250.
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1/23/2012 6:03pm Edited Date/Time 1/23/2012 6:05pm
TannerMxer wrote:
How was it moronic? You're telling me that by the end of the night the lines aren't more developed? We'll see if the 450 main has...
How was it moronic? You're telling me that by the end of the night the lines aren't more developed? We'll see if the 450 main has more people in the 53's. I mean, you are comparing times from races that happened several hours apart with new lines formed in the LCQ. It looks like, to me, you are moronic for not being a good analyst. I analyst software for a living so I have to look at all the angles, so I tend to do that with everything, especially Sx/Mx.
Mxracer6y wrote:
Youre kidding right ? I mean REALLY? ... wow Great analyst you are when you can't even figure out I was talking about the main event...
Youre kidding right ? I mean REALLY? ... wow

Great analyst you are when you can't even figure out I was talking about the main event ...

To answer your questions, no one in the 450 main dropped in the 53s... No one.


But man I love how half of you guys refuse to give credit to this kid.... Instead you just make up excuses as to why he was faster, as if he was SUPPOSED to be faster.

Its almost as if he HADN'T run 53s you all would've been talking about how slow he was right ?? Too funny

The kid was and is absolutely flying and would've smoked reed stewart and dungey. FACT


But sure, well just pretend this kid isn't impressive. Yup, you guys are ALL right, he was slow as shit I mean really that track was built for 250s and be should've been running 52s at LEAST.
Not so fast man.

Put him on the starting line with the 450s and I highly doubt you would have seen him win the race.

So don't say FACT until it HAPPENS.

I give the kid credit. He was ripping but that doesn't mean he would have smoked everyone in the 450s. That's just being realistic. He could very well have still run those lap times but there are too many factors to base it on just a lap time.

Bad start, not a clear track and in the 450 main the track is more beat up. Those are just a few reasons he more then likely wouldn't have won had he started on the 450 gate.
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If I had to guess, I'd say that all that bullshit that went down in Vegas last year lit a fire under young E Mac.
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Eli is killing it no doubt but he is also on a 45 rwhp dirt bike on a tight slippery Supercross track.

Effectively he has just as much power as the 450s due.

They need to make the 250 class much closer to stock engines. The 'support' class costs more to build & maintain the equipment and be competitive than the premier class. This is just silly.
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1/23/2012 6:31pm Edited Date/Time 1/23/2012 6:37pm
1) The track had no sections where the power of a 450 was needed. 2) The track was slick so the power of a 450 compared...
1) The track had no sections where the power of a 450 was needed.

2) The track was slick so the power of a 450 compared to a 250 made little or no difference

3) The 250 is lighter and can be turned slightly easier in some situations depending on the above

4) The track conditions would of degraded some compared to the 250 main

5) Either way you look at it Tomac is a great rider and has been the fastest guy in all of the 250 rounds
Stop trying to downplay this as if it happens every weekend .... As if it's common and everyone is doing it on a regular basis

1.) one could argue that the 450 has little advantage on any supercross track...

2.) it's all about throttle control. Kevin will teach you about that.

3.) 250s have little to no cornering advantage on a full sized supercross track.

4.) Tomac was running 53s all day long. Villopoto was the only 450 to run a 53... That includes the entire day including qualifying when the track was PERFECT.

5.) year after year after year of racing its almost UNHEARD of for a 250 to be running faster laps the entire field of 450s, and we're not just talking about a hot lap, we're talking CONSISTENTLY. Only riders to ever do It would be Stewart, Villopoto, RC and now Tomac. That speaks for itself.


Can't understand why no one wants to give this kid credit.... Is it an impossible feat ?? No. Is it rare? Definitely... Is it impressive ? Absolutely... Maybe the track played to his slight advantage but give the damn kid some credit ...he was on another level
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1/23/2012 6:33pm
Tomac looks physically strong as fuck on his bike.
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Ok I'll play this game for a minute


Let's say you're all right ... The 450 has no advantage at all, well say they are equal.




That still means Tomac wouldve killed the entire 450 class.
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1/23/2012 6:50pm Edited Date/Time 1/23/2012 6:50pm
Tomac rode awesome!!!
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Lites running the same lap times as the 4 fiddys has been going on for a while now. Hell, even in outdoors. Goes to show that the extra horsepower is not necessarily needed.

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