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Holy hell...
can we talk about how tomac was running consistent 53 second lap times?? In both his qualifier, heat and also dipped into 53 a few times in the main event.. The ONLY other rider to dip into 53's all day / night is phil poto ... (yea, that means eli tomac is running faster laps on a 250F than james stewart is on a 450....OH yea, and EVERY other 450 rider, including, but not limited to Ryan Dungey, Chad Reed, Trey Canard, etc ... WHAT IN THE FU......??)
Tomac is on another level for sure....
can we talk about how tomac was running consistent 53 second lap times?? In both his qualifier, heat and also dipped into 53 a few times in the main event.. The ONLY other rider to dip into 53's all day / night is phil poto ... (yea, that means eli tomac is running faster laps on a 250F than james stewart is on a 450....OH yea, and EVERY other 450 rider, including, but not limited to Ryan Dungey, Chad Reed, Trey Canard, etc ... WHAT IN THE FU......??)
Tomac is on another level for sure....
be real dude, the kid deserves credit where credit is due, stop trying to down play this... the kid is phenomenal
The Shop
2) The track was slick so the power of a 450 compared to a 250 made little or no difference
3) The 250 is lighter and can be turned slightly easier in some situations depending on the above
4) The track conditions would of degraded some compared to the 250 main
5) Either way you look at it Tomac is a great rider and has been the fastest guy in all of the 250 rounds
Tomac could jump everything the 450s could jump.
Sometimes a rider is just feeling it, and kills it. Think Tomac had one of those nights, and I hope there's more to come.
And.... Historically... Even with more blown out tracks, and slick tracks, the bigger bikes have been at least a second faster n the mains.... But not this year... Have the 450 riders slowed down, or is tomac on a completely different level? Makes ya wonder...
there is no illusion here. Even at the wide open outdoor nations, Baggett and Wilson at almost every race were running lap times that would have podiumed in the 450s.
I think the AMA just knows without a doubt that Japan would tell them to "Fuck off" if they tried to change the displacement rules now.
Kutabare = Fuck off in Japanese, if anyone was wondering.
Pit Row
Great analyst you are when you can't even figure out I was talking about the main event ...
To answer your questions, no one in the 450 main dropped in the 53s... No one.
But man I love how half of you guys refuse to give credit to this kid.... Instead you just make up excuses as to why he was faster, as if he was SUPPOSED to be faster.
Its almost as if he HADN'T run 53s you all would've been talking about how slow he was right ?? Too funny
The kid was and is absolutely flying and would've smoked reed stewart and dungey. FACT
But sure, well just pretend this kid isn't impressive. Yup, you guys are ALL right, he was slow as shit I mean really that track was built for 250s and be should've been running 52s at LEAST.
But there were no rhythm sections to separate the big bikes from the little bikes. Usually there is at least one jump or section that the 450s can jump that the 250s cant.
Not to mention a 450 doesn't equate to faster lap times.
Corner speed is king. Doesn't matter if its a 450 or 250.
Put him on the starting line with the 450s and I highly doubt you would have seen him win the race.
So don't say FACT until it HAPPENS.
I give the kid credit. He was ripping but that doesn't mean he would have smoked everyone in the 450s. That's just being realistic. He could very well have still run those lap times but there are too many factors to base it on just a lap time.
Bad start, not a clear track and in the 450 main the track is more beat up. Those are just a few reasons he more then likely wouldn't have won had he started on the 450 gate.
Effectively he has just as much power as the 450s due.
They need to make the 250 class much closer to stock engines. The 'support' class costs more to build & maintain the equipment and be competitive than the premier class. This is just silly.
1.) one could argue that the 450 has little advantage on any supercross track...
2.) it's all about throttle control. Kevin will teach you about that.
3.) 250s have little to no cornering advantage on a full sized supercross track.
4.) Tomac was running 53s all day long. Villopoto was the only 450 to run a 53... That includes the entire day including qualifying when the track was PERFECT.
5.) year after year after year of racing its almost UNHEARD of for a 250 to be running faster laps the entire field of 450s, and we're not just talking about a hot lap, we're talking CONSISTENTLY. Only riders to ever do It would be Stewart, Villopoto, RC and now Tomac. That speaks for itself.
Can't understand why no one wants to give this kid credit.... Is it an impossible feat ?? No. Is it rare? Definitely... Is it impressive ? Absolutely... Maybe the track played to his slight advantage but give the damn kid some credit ...he was on another level
Let's say you're all right ... The 450 has no advantage at all, well say they are equal.
That still means Tomac wouldve killed the entire 450 class.
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