that 250 restart got me (warning) thinking

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Since these riders are all in agreement this season,regarding how important starts have become.
SX only consist of ONE start for overall points for the night.
Outdoors consist of TWO starts for overall points for the day.(wider passing ,longer timed motos)

I propose the 250 and 450 main have a TWO moto format.
It only makes sense. Track and race are tighter and shorter in timing than outdoors.
NIGHT PROGRAM
250; first moto ,5 lap Sprinter.go back (just like weekends restart) second moto ,10 laps.
450 first moto 5 lap Sprinter,second 15 laps.
Best second moto finish breaks any tie.example,a 2/1 would beat a 1/2 finish for overall. points system doe not change.25pts for 1st "overall" for the night,etc.
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zippy895 2/3/2015 10:38am
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dazzlindino wrote:
so...race 2 motos but only get points for overall.....
zippy895 wrote:
yes.
events max points =25.
overall finish determines points.

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nope...

250 main=20 laps
450 main=20 laps

in your format it would be too exhausting to the riders...and more of a chance for injuries.....
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zippy895 2/3/2015 10:49am
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dsmith wrote:
nope...

250 main=20 laps
450 main=20 laps

in your format it would be too exhausting to the riders...and more of a chance for injuries.....
injuries? possibly
too exhausting? no. training is based on race day expectations.
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AB#81 2/3/2015 12:45pm
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i propose do away with heats, semis, and lcq's, have qualifying during the day to enter night program, then 3x 10lap mains for overall result, 3x 250 main events, 3 x 450 main events, each race scored individually. that way fans get to see races that count, 6 of which on the night, instead of these heats etc which don't count for nothing but a gate pick and into main, which a qualifying lap time during the day would equally do the same job. plus also shows who is best overall on the night. if you have a bad race atleast theres 2 more chances. plus fans get to see a whole lot of proper racing for points!

some 450 riders are having to race 4 races as it is, heat, semi, lcq and main so its not like they couldn't handle or fit enough for 3 x 10 lap races they already doing around 35, and atleast 26.

maybe have the 250 guys only doing 2 x 10laps
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BobbyM 2/3/2015 12:48pm
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And they should allow riders to ride both classes if they want. That way the very best will be on the track all at the same time.
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and have them switch bikes between motos 1st place takes the last place bike....
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Garrett_Morrow wrote:
soo monter cup, you want monster cup rules
lol,oh yea.i did sound like monster cup a bit.
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I like the idea of getting rid of heats also. I mean lets face it. Just put the top guys in the main and let them battle it out. Or probably even better just do two heats and one last chance qualifier and that's it. That's all you really need.

Then do 2 moto format just like outdoors.

It won't happen though. The only issue with doing this is time. Outdoors you are there all day. Sx is much more difficult because of the time limit and tv schedule and the pits, etc. It would be very hard but I love the idea of doing a 2 moto format for overall points just like outdoors. It would make it much more fair.
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AB#81 wrote:
i propose do away with heats, semis, and lcq's, have qualifying during the day to enter night program, then 3x 10lap mains for overall result, 3x...
i propose do away with heats, semis, and lcq's, have qualifying during the day to enter night program, then 3x 10lap mains for overall result, 3x 250 main events, 3 x 450 main events, each race scored individually. that way fans get to see races that count, 6 of which on the night, instead of these heats etc which don't count for nothing but a gate pick and into main, which a qualifying lap time during the day would equally do the same job. plus also shows who is best overall on the night. if you have a bad race atleast theres 2 more chances. plus fans get to see a whole lot of proper racing for points!

some 450 riders are having to race 4 races as it is, heat, semi, lcq and main so its not like they couldn't handle or fit enough for 3 x 10 lap races they already doing around 35, and atleast 26.

maybe have the 250 guys only doing 2 x 10laps
I like it also. The top guys are always going to get in the main anyways and it's all about starting position to get up front as best you can so that's all its really for. You really want your top 20 guys seeded for the most part anyways so having a minimum 2 moto format 15 laps is really the way to go if you ask me.

Something needs to be done. I know people say don't change but change can be good.
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enketchum 2/3/2015 4:39pm
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nothing has changed in 30 years. It won't change now

I say put in a joker lane every other round
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zippy895 2/3/2015 4:43pm
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well,atleast with my idea,they can drop lcq's.add those extra spots in semi.
minus 2 lcq races,add 2 ,5 lap moto 1 mains.
it could be done.
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Crush 2/3/2015 4:47pm
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No doubt, there is heaps of stuff that could be done. No one seems intent on doing much different though for the moment, and they've said for years that the two moto format is confusing for regular joes...

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Whoops_Blitzer 2/3/2015 5:01pm
2/3/2015 5:01pm Edited Date/Time 2/3/2015 8:20pm
dazzlindino wrote:
so...race 2 motos but only get points for overall.....
zippy895 wrote:
yes.
zippy895 wrote:
events max points =25.
overall finish determines points.
I've suggested this a few times and it's my favorite idea. Keeps the points closer than it would if it were 50 points combined.

I'd be good with 2 X 10 though.

To get even weirder (although not much weirder than 5 laps then 15 laps), how bout..

-Heat 1 (5 laps)
-Heat 2 (5 laps)
-LCQ 1 (5 laps)
-Main 1 (top 7 qualify for Main 2)
-LCQ 2 (3 laps) (guys who failed in 1st LCQ get to line up too. Top 3 qualify for Main 2)
-Main 2 - TEN-MAN BATTLE ROYALE FOR ULTIMATE GLORY

25 points for 1-1.


Actually, do away with the heats. Top 10 qualify out of practice, then the first LCQ qualifies 10 more.
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zippy895 2/3/2015 5:31pm
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Whoops_Blitzer wrote:
I've suggested this a few times and it's my favorite idea. Keeps the points closer than it would if it were 50 points combined. I'd be...
I've suggested this a few times and it's my favorite idea. Keeps the points closer than it would if it were 50 points combined.

I'd be good with 2 X 10 though.

To get even weirder (although not much weirder than 5 laps then 15 laps), how bout..

-Heat 1 (5 laps)
-Heat 2 (5 laps)
-LCQ 1 (5 laps)
-Main 1 (top 7 qualify for Main 2)
-LCQ 2 (3 laps) (guys who failed in 1st LCQ get to line up too. Top 3 qualify for Main 2)
-Main 2 - TEN-MAN BATTLE ROYALE FOR ULTIMATE GLORY

25 points for 1-1.


Actually, do away with the heats. Top 10 qualify out of practice, then the first LCQ qualifies 10 more.
if tracks were wider and passing options opened up.its bad enough, premier riders with a bad start in the heat as it is,sometimes go to semi.
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Mikeyam187 2/3/2015 6:25pm
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The 1985 SX season had a 2 moto main event format. I thought it was awesome! That was the tightest points in SX history with Glover and Ward tied, going into the final race and Lechien maybe 6 points back.

I guess Lechien was only 2 points back. I thought I remember that being 6 but here is the story.

http://racerxonline.com/2006/05/05/great-races-the-1985-rose-bowl-super…

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