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It would be interesting to c what racers have a TUE and for what, are they all cheating? if you don't have a TUE and are granted one after the fact your no longer cheating? Makes no sence. just say this years sx champion has a TUE for adderal, was he a cheater? or only if your paper work isn't in than your a cheater? A dr has to write the script, if u don't have a script that's another story FCK wada, and the FIM.
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Good Lord, you Bubba lovers are upset at the wrong people. Bubba and his handlers failed to make sure his TUE was up to date. No one to blame but themselves. Chris Davis of the Baltimore Orioles had an exemption for Adderall for the 2012 and 2013 seasons. He let the exemption lapse for 2014, and guess what, he got busted for using Adderall without an exemption. He accepted his 25 game suspension, and went on his merry way. He has already applied and received his exemption for the 2015 season. FOLLOW THE FUCKING RULES, IT'S THAT SIMPLE.
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rocketsocks26 wrote:
It would be interesting to c what racers have a TUE and for what, are they all cheating? if you don't have a TUE and are...
It would be interesting to c what racers have a TUE and for what, are they all cheating? if you don't have a TUE and are granted one after the fact your no longer cheating? Makes no sence. just say this years sx champion has a TUE for adderal, was he a cheater? or only if your paper work isn't in than your a cheater? A dr has to write the script, if u don't have a script that's another story FCK wada, and the FIM.
You're struggling to understand any of this aren't you?

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woodsryder wrote:
Good Lord, you Bubba lovers are upset at the wrong people. Bubba and his handlers failed to make sure his TUE was up to date. No...
Good Lord, you Bubba lovers are upset at the wrong people. Bubba and his handlers failed to make sure his TUE was up to date. No one to blame but themselves. Chris Davis of the Baltimore Orioles had an exemption for Adderall for the 2012 and 2013 seasons. He let the exemption lapse for 2014, and guess what, he got busted for using Adderall without an exemption. He accepted his 25 game suspension, and went on his merry way. He has already applied and received his exemption for the 2015 season. FOLLOW THE FUCKING RULES, IT'S THAT SIMPLE.
Thank you!
motor bike rider 12/17/2014 4:48am
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woodsryder wrote:
Good Lord, you Bubba lovers are upset at the wrong people. Bubba and his handlers failed to make sure his TUE was up to date. No...
Good Lord, you Bubba lovers are upset at the wrong people. Bubba and his handlers failed to make sure his TUE was up to date. No one to blame but themselves. Chris Davis of the Baltimore Orioles had an exemption for Adderall for the 2012 and 2013 seasons. He let the exemption lapse for 2014, and guess what, he got busted for using Adderall without an exemption. He accepted his 25 game suspension, and went on his merry way. He has already applied and received his exemption for the 2015 season. FOLLOW THE FUCKING RULES, IT'S THAT SIMPLE.
You cited an example of a baseball player who got suspended from 25 games, which is about a month. Stewart is being suspended for the entire season- not really a fair punishment in my book.

Following the rules is one thing, but making the punishments this harsh is another. Were putting this guy to death over a pretty small infraction.

motor bike rider 12/17/2014 4:56am
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Adderall might be an easily abused drug, but just look at how Stew was riding before he was perscribed- he was crashing every race. In a sport like motocross where a small crash can literally put you in a wheelchair, I cant really fault the man for needing some help focusing. It IS a legal, doctor perscribed drug after all.

The pinishment does NOT fit the crime IMO
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woodsryder wrote:
Good Lord, you Bubba lovers are upset at the wrong people. Bubba and his handlers failed to make sure his TUE was up to date. No...
Good Lord, you Bubba lovers are upset at the wrong people. Bubba and his handlers failed to make sure his TUE was up to date. No one to blame but themselves. Chris Davis of the Baltimore Orioles had an exemption for Adderall for the 2012 and 2013 seasons. He let the exemption lapse for 2014, and guess what, he got busted for using Adderall without an exemption. He accepted his 25 game suspension, and went on his merry way. He has already applied and received his exemption for the 2015 season. FOLLOW THE FUCKING RULES, IT'S THAT SIMPLE.
What he said.
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woodsryder wrote:
Good Lord, you Bubba lovers are upset at the wrong people. Bubba and his handlers failed to make sure his TUE was up to date. No...
Good Lord, you Bubba lovers are upset at the wrong people. Bubba and his handlers failed to make sure his TUE was up to date. No one to blame but themselves. Chris Davis of the Baltimore Orioles had an exemption for Adderall for the 2012 and 2013 seasons. He let the exemption lapse for 2014, and guess what, he got busted for using Adderall without an exemption. He accepted his 25 game suspension, and went on his merry way. He has already applied and received his exemption for the 2015 season. FOLLOW THE FUCKING RULES, IT'S THAT SIMPLE.
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You cited an example of a baseball player who got suspended from 25 games, which is about a month. Stewart is being suspended for the entire...
You cited an example of a baseball player who got suspended from 25 games, which is about a month. Stewart is being suspended for the entire season- not really a fair punishment in my book.

Following the rules is one thing, but making the punishments this harsh is another. Were putting this guy to death over a pretty small infraction.

Sure, Chris Davis was suspended only a portion of the MLB season, but he was still forced to miss 25 events, which is very close to the amount of events that Stewart has been suspended from, which is 17 supercross and 12 motocross. Chris Davis' salary last season was $10.3 million, which means he had to forfeit about $1.575 million of that due to his suspension. According to this link, http://www.redbull.com/us/en/motorsports/offroad/stories/1331646699975/… Stewart earned $1.4 million in race earnings last year. While the comparisons may not match up perfectly, the lesson remains the same; Follow the rules to avoid being suspended.
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motor bike rider wrote:
Adderall might be an easily abused drug, but just look at how Stew was riding before he was perscribed- he was crashing every race. In a...
Adderall might be an easily abused drug, but just look at how Stew was riding before he was perscribed- he was crashing every race. In a sport like motocross where a small crash can literally put you in a wheelchair, I cant really fault the man for needing some help focusing. It IS a legal, doctor perscribed drug after all.

The pinishment does NOT fit the crime IMO
Did you watch the 14 season?

It's not like Stewy forgot how to crash!
motor bike rider 12/17/2014 6:03am
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woodsryder wrote:
Good Lord, you Bubba lovers are upset at the wrong people. Bubba and his handlers failed to make sure his TUE was up to date. No...
Good Lord, you Bubba lovers are upset at the wrong people. Bubba and his handlers failed to make sure his TUE was up to date. No one to blame but themselves. Chris Davis of the Baltimore Orioles had an exemption for Adderall for the 2012 and 2013 seasons. He let the exemption lapse for 2014, and guess what, he got busted for using Adderall without an exemption. He accepted his 25 game suspension, and went on his merry way. He has already applied and received his exemption for the 2015 season. FOLLOW THE FUCKING RULES, IT'S THAT SIMPLE.
motor bike rider wrote:
You cited an example of a baseball player who got suspended from 25 games, which is about a month. Stewart is being suspended for the entire...
You cited an example of a baseball player who got suspended from 25 games, which is about a month. Stewart is being suspended for the entire season- not really a fair punishment in my book.

Following the rules is one thing, but making the punishments this harsh is another. Were putting this guy to death over a pretty small infraction.

woodsryder wrote:
Sure, Chris Davis was suspended only a portion of the MLB season, but he was still forced to miss 25 events, which is very close to...
Sure, Chris Davis was suspended only a portion of the MLB season, but he was still forced to miss 25 events, which is very close to the amount of events that Stewart has been suspended from, which is 17 supercross and 12 motocross. Chris Davis' salary last season was $10.3 million, which means he had to forfeit about $1.575 million of that due to his suspension. According to this link, http://www.redbull.com/us/en/motorsports/offroad/stories/1331646699975/… Stewart earned $1.4 million in race earnings last year. While the comparisons may not match up perfectly, the lesson remains the same; Follow the rules to avoid being suspended.
Dude what im saying is 25 games is like 1 months time for a baseball player. They play a total of like 200 some games all year. 25 baseball games is not even close to 25 motocross races.... Apples to Oranges.

And you cant just say "follow the rules" when the punishment does not fit the crime at all. That would be like your car getting impounded and losing your liscence if you get caught doing 5 over the speed limit.

I accept that rules exist for a reason, but you cant make the punishments so insane.
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woodsryder wrote:
Sure, Chris Davis was suspended only a portion of the MLB season, but he was still forced to miss 25 events, which is very close to...
Sure, Chris Davis was suspended only a portion of the MLB season, but he was still forced to miss 25 events, which is very close to the amount of events that Stewart has been suspended from, which is 17 supercross and 12 motocross. Chris Davis' salary last season was $10.3 million, which means he had to forfeit about $1.575 million of that due to his suspension. According to this link, http://www.redbull.com/us/en/motorsports/offroad/stories/1331646699975/… Stewart earned $1.4 million in race earnings last year. While the comparisons may not match up perfectly, the lesson remains the same; Follow the rules to avoid being suspended.
25 of 162.
motor bike rider 12/17/2014 6:09am
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woodsryder wrote:
Good Lord, you Bubba lovers are upset at the wrong people. Bubba and his handlers failed to make sure his TUE was up to date. No...
Good Lord, you Bubba lovers are upset at the wrong people. Bubba and his handlers failed to make sure his TUE was up to date. No one to blame but themselves. Chris Davis of the Baltimore Orioles had an exemption for Adderall for the 2012 and 2013 seasons. He let the exemption lapse for 2014, and guess what, he got busted for using Adderall without an exemption. He accepted his 25 game suspension, and went on his merry way. He has already applied and received his exemption for the 2015 season. FOLLOW THE FUCKING RULES, IT'S THAT SIMPLE.
motor bike rider wrote:
You cited an example of a baseball player who got suspended from 25 games, which is about a month. Stewart is being suspended for the entire...
You cited an example of a baseball player who got suspended from 25 games, which is about a month. Stewart is being suspended for the entire season- not really a fair punishment in my book.

Following the rules is one thing, but making the punishments this harsh is another. Were putting this guy to death over a pretty small infraction.

woodsryder wrote:
Sure, Chris Davis was suspended only a portion of the MLB season, but he was still forced to miss 25 events, which is very close to...
Sure, Chris Davis was suspended only a portion of the MLB season, but he was still forced to miss 25 events, which is very close to the amount of events that Stewart has been suspended from, which is 17 supercross and 12 motocross. Chris Davis' salary last season was $10.3 million, which means he had to forfeit about $1.575 million of that due to his suspension. According to this link, http://www.redbull.com/us/en/motorsports/offroad/stories/1331646699975/… Stewart earned $1.4 million in race earnings last year. While the comparisons may not match up perfectly, the lesson remains the same; Follow the rules to avoid being suspended.
You also mentioned money, and how Davis lost 1.5 mil, which is how approx how much Stew will lose in 2015.

1.5 mil, out of 10 million. So 15% of his earnings.

1.4 mil is 100% of Stews earnings. In order for the math to be equal, Stew would have to lose 15% of his potential 1.4 mil, which is about 200k.

And 200k is (rough estimate) about 4 races worth of earnings. (supercross plus motocross). Not his entire season
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motor bike rider wrote:
You cited an example of a baseball player who got suspended from 25 games, which is about a month. Stewart is being suspended for the entire...
You cited an example of a baseball player who got suspended from 25 games, which is about a month. Stewart is being suspended for the entire season- not really a fair punishment in my book.

Following the rules is one thing, but making the punishments this harsh is another. Were putting this guy to death over a pretty small infraction.

woodsryder wrote:
Sure, Chris Davis was suspended only a portion of the MLB season, but he was still forced to miss 25 events, which is very close to...
Sure, Chris Davis was suspended only a portion of the MLB season, but he was still forced to miss 25 events, which is very close to the amount of events that Stewart has been suspended from, which is 17 supercross and 12 motocross. Chris Davis' salary last season was $10.3 million, which means he had to forfeit about $1.575 million of that due to his suspension. According to this link, http://www.redbull.com/us/en/motorsports/offroad/stories/1331646699975/… Stewart earned $1.4 million in race earnings last year. While the comparisons may not match up perfectly, the lesson remains the same; Follow the rules to avoid being suspended.
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You also mentioned money, and how Davis lost 1.5 mil, which is how approx how much Stew will lose in 2015. 1.5 mil, out of 10...
You also mentioned money, and how Davis lost 1.5 mil, which is how approx how much Stew will lose in 2015.

1.5 mil, out of 10 million. So 15% of his earnings.

1.4 mil is 100% of Stews earnings. In order for the math to be equal, Stew would have to lose 15% of his potential 1.4 mil, which is about 200k.

And 200k is (rough estimate) about 4 races worth of earnings. (supercross plus motocross). Not his entire season
What if i told you his "race earnings" is less than a 1/5th of his real earnings.

Are you worried he's gonna be homeless and on the street soon?
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motor bike rider wrote:
You cited an example of a baseball player who got suspended from 25 games, which is about a month. Stewart is being suspended for the entire...
You cited an example of a baseball player who got suspended from 25 games, which is about a month. Stewart is being suspended for the entire season- not really a fair punishment in my book.

Following the rules is one thing, but making the punishments this harsh is another. Were putting this guy to death over a pretty small infraction.

woodsryder wrote:
Sure, Chris Davis was suspended only a portion of the MLB season, but he was still forced to miss 25 events, which is very close to...
Sure, Chris Davis was suspended only a portion of the MLB season, but he was still forced to miss 25 events, which is very close to the amount of events that Stewart has been suspended from, which is 17 supercross and 12 motocross. Chris Davis' salary last season was $10.3 million, which means he had to forfeit about $1.575 million of that due to his suspension. According to this link, http://www.redbull.com/us/en/motorsports/offroad/stories/1331646699975/… Stewart earned $1.4 million in race earnings last year. While the comparisons may not match up perfectly, the lesson remains the same; Follow the rules to avoid being suspended.
motor bike rider wrote:
You also mentioned money, and how Davis lost 1.5 mil, which is how approx how much Stew will lose in 2015. 1.5 mil, out of 10...
You also mentioned money, and how Davis lost 1.5 mil, which is how approx how much Stew will lose in 2015.

1.5 mil, out of 10 million. So 15% of his earnings.

1.4 mil is 100% of Stews earnings. In order for the math to be equal, Stew would have to lose 15% of his potential 1.4 mil, which is about 200k.

And 200k is (rough estimate) about 4 races worth of earnings. (supercross plus motocross). Not his entire season
Baseball players also play just about every day from April to October. Supercross riders have about 1 event a week from January to September
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Adderall might be an easily abused drug, but just look at how Stew was riding before he was perscribed- he was crashing every race. In a...
Adderall might be an easily abused drug, but just look at how Stew was riding before he was perscribed- he was crashing every race. In a sport like motocross where a small crash can literally put you in a wheelchair, I cant really fault the man for needing some help focusing. It IS a legal, doctor perscribed drug after all.

The pinishment does NOT fit the crime IMO
And so is HGH, HCG, testosterone & a blood transfusion!!!! Pain pills & weed are legally prescribed by a doctor as well, but in sports, some things are illegal because of the performance edge it will or will not give you... It's not a hard concept to understand.

It's always easy once you get caught to say, "oops, I made a goof, sorry?" It doesn't work like that in the real world when you are an adult or a professional & you are expected to be responsible for YOURSELF & your actions. If I failed a drug test at work, I couldn't say, "sorry, I forgot to get a prescription from a doctor for these pain pills, but their legal drugs, so I should be allowed to continue to work!" Whistling
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rocketsocks26 wrote:
It would be interesting to c what racers have a TUE and for what, are they all cheating? if you don't have a TUE and are...
It would be interesting to c what racers have a TUE and for what, are they all cheating? if you don't have a TUE and are granted one after the fact your no longer cheating? Makes no sence. just say this years sx champion has a TUE for adderal, was he a cheater? or only if your paper work isn't in than your a cheater? A dr has to write the script, if u don't have a script that's another story FCK wada, and the FIM.
its all about following the rules,so shit like what happened to stewart wont happen.
him and his people either got an attitude about going through proper protocol,or got lazy and didn't care...orrrr,he got the meds without a doctors script.
he said,he will tell all come soon.

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How long did Lance Armstrong and his followers proclaim his innocence?
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How long did Lance Armstrong and his followers proclaim his innocence?
Armstrong was arrogant and willing to sue all that made him look guilty.
is stewart really that evil?
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How long did Lance Armstrong and his followers proclaim his innocence?
didn't Lance pay doctors to back date prescriptions or did I just dream that up? not saying James did, but maybe they are taking that possibility into consideration on the penalty. I would rather have him on the line but my dad always told me if you're gonna do the crime be prepared to do the time. although IMO this much "time" is a little much.
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reded wrote:
How long did Lance Armstrong and his followers proclaim his innocence?
zippy895 wrote:
Armstrong was arrogant and willing to sue all that made him look guilty.
is stewart really that evil?
Not to mention Stewart has now been approved to take the medication. That's what makes this look so ridiculous.
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reded wrote:
How long did Lance Armstrong and his followers proclaim his innocence?
zippy895 wrote:
Armstrong was arrogant and willing to sue all that made him look guilty.
is stewart really that evil?
gsxrcr28 wrote:
Not to mention Stewart has now been approved to take the medication. That's what makes this look so ridiculous.
So if I got caught smoking weed at work, and then later got a prescription for it, all should be absolved?
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zippy895 wrote:
Armstrong was arrogant and willing to sue all that made him look guilty.
is stewart really that evil?
gsxrcr28 wrote:
Not to mention Stewart has now been approved to take the medication. That's what makes this look so ridiculous.
woodsryder wrote:
So if I got caught smoking weed at work, and then later got a prescription for it, all should be absolved?
Everything that has come out from Racer X and TWMX has said he has had a prescription for years.
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zippy895 wrote:
Armstrong was arrogant and willing to sue all that made him look guilty.
is stewart really that evil?
gsxrcr28 wrote:
Not to mention Stewart has now been approved to take the medication. That's what makes this look so ridiculous.
woodsryder wrote:
So if I got caught smoking weed at work, and then later got a prescription for it, all should be absolved?
well,no more pre exhisting conditions in health care ,but that's a different subject...
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riders signed away rights for wada/usada rules and regulations.
anything after the signing..........
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gsxrcr28 wrote:
Not to mention Stewart has now been approved to take the medication. That's what makes this look so ridiculous.
woodsryder wrote:
So if I got caught smoking weed at work, and then later got a prescription for it, all should be absolved?
gsxrcr28 wrote:
Everything that has come out from Racer X and TWMX has said he has had a prescription for years.
James' statement: "I had been taking a very common prescription medication under doctors care since late 2012. Doctors prescribed medicine for me with an attention issue I suffer from."
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woodsryder wrote:
So if I got caught smoking weed at work, and then later got a prescription for it, all should be absolved?
gsxrcr28 wrote:
Everything that has come out from Racer X and TWMX has said he has had a prescription for years.
jamma10 wrote:
James' statement: "I had been taking a very common prescription medication under doctors care [b]since late 2012[/b]. Doctors prescribed medicine for me with an attention issue...
James' statement: "I had been taking a very common prescription medication under doctors care since late 2012. Doctors prescribed medicine for me with an attention issue I suffer from."
So late 2012 was after he'd moved to Suzuki. In theory could the FIM could go back and dock points from the start of 2013??

He always said it was the Yamaha that made him crash not ADD??? After the affect he had on YZ450 sales in the US I can't see Yamaha being to thrilled with him.
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Good Lord, you Bubba lovers are upset at the wrong people. Bubba and his handlers failed to make sure his TUE was up to date. No...
Good Lord, you Bubba lovers are upset at the wrong people. Bubba and his handlers failed to make sure his TUE was up to date. No one to blame but themselves. Chris Davis of the Baltimore Orioles had an exemption for Adderall for the 2012 and 2013 seasons. He let the exemption lapse for 2014, and guess what, he got busted for using Adderall without an exemption. He accepted his 25 game suspension, and went on his merry way. He has already applied and received his exemption for the 2015 season. FOLLOW THE FUCKING RULES, IT'S THAT SIMPLE.
This is where things need to be cleared up, & maybe what people arent catching on to.. No one tested positive for Adderall, they tested positive for Amphetamine, a stimulant to the central nervous system. You will not see nor have we seen anywhere from any organization referencing Adderall as it pertains to the failed test & suspension, only to the appeal & TUE after the fact.. This is what people need to understand, & this is why there is a process for gaining the TUE which is not guaranteed. As far as WADA & FIM are concerned Stewart's positive test was for AMPHETAMINE, A STIMULANT ON THE BANNED SUBSTANCE LIST, THIS IS WHY WE ARE WHERE WE ARE. The appeals process will take place, & I can only imagine that his suspenison would be lessened, but who knows, rules were broken & someone was penalized, obviously a current TUE was obtained & lessons were learned..
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woodsryder wrote:
Good Lord, you Bubba lovers are upset at the wrong people. Bubba and his handlers failed to make sure his TUE was up to date. No...
Good Lord, you Bubba lovers are upset at the wrong people. Bubba and his handlers failed to make sure his TUE was up to date. No one to blame but themselves. Chris Davis of the Baltimore Orioles had an exemption for Adderall for the 2012 and 2013 seasons. He let the exemption lapse for 2014, and guess what, he got busted for using Adderall without an exemption. He accepted his 25 game suspension, and went on his merry way. He has already applied and received his exemption for the 2015 season. FOLLOW THE FUCKING RULES, IT'S THAT SIMPLE.
My guess is that James team didn't really know, because of a lack of good communication between the Moto powers to be OR he was taking it without a prescription and backtracked a doctor who made it look like a real prescription. Nobody in their right might would ignore such a simple thing.

All riders take PEDS of some sort, just like in the real world legal and not legal many times are the same drugs. Just 1 has a doctors note and the government got paid.....the other Pookie popped it on the corner for $20 bucks

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