inetresting 1 american in the top 4

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1st france, 2nd s africa, 3rd usa, 4th scotland. are the mighty falling or are they not as fast as they think they are?
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6/19/2010 11:44am Edited Date/Time 6/19/2010 11:45am
I am far from an arrogant American but I am pretty sure the 450 class had 8 Americans in the top 10. This argument is stupid. They are all people and where they are from is a stupid way to pick who you root for in a championship that has nothing to do with nationality. I don't even get why they put the flags by the riders names.
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Dean Wilson is a North American. The majority of his life has been on this continent. That makes it 50/50 homers vs invaders in the top 4.
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Chris Porch is really from Hesperia,

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DownSouth wrote:
Dean Wilson is a North American. The majority of his life has been on this continent. That makes it 50/50 homers vs invaders in the top...
Dean Wilson is a North American. The majority of his life has been on this continent. That makes it 50/50 homers vs invaders in the top 4.
no hes scottish and will end up riding for the mighty gb in the nations just you wait and c my friend.
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Don't mind J. Sloan. Dude has been hyping up Barcia all season and now its down to excuse making time.
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Leave him alone, the euro's have finally got something to gloat about (after decades of being dominated like little girls).
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Well. If Americans stayed in the 250 class forever they may be able to beat CP and Rattray,. Rattray has been a pro on 125's/250's in GP since 2001 (so he's in his 10th season) and CP since like 2002 or 2003.. I agree a pro class is a pro class and don't think sandbagger is the right word but come on guys they are men amongst boys when you total up the years and top level experience.
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6/19/2010 11:54am
swaz wrote:
1st france, 2nd s africa, 3rd usa, 4th scotland. are the mighty falling or are they not as fast as they think they are?
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All the Americans are kids. Weimer and Tickle are the veterans and they are what 20-21? Pourcel and Rattray are both experienced world champions. They should be winning. If Anstie and Searle were whipping everybody it may be different, they are young and more equal to the US kids.

In the current class the only riders who have ever won a race are Pourcel, Rattray (1 last week), Weimer (3 last year), and Barcia (1 last year).
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All the Americans are kids. Weimer and Tickle are the veterans and they are what 20-21? Pourcel and Rattray are both experienced world champions. They should...
All the Americans are kids. Weimer and Tickle are the veterans and they are what 20-21? Pourcel and Rattray are both experienced world champions. They should be winning. If Anstie and Searle were whipping everybody it may be different, they are young and more equal to the US kids.

In the current class the only riders who have ever won a race are Pourcel, Rattray (1 last week), Weimer (3 last year), and Barcia (1 last year).
Pourcel is 21 and he had quite an injury between his world chamionship and arrival here.
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Well. If Americans stayed in the 250 class forever they may be able to beat CP and Rattray,. Rattray has been a pro on 125's/250's in...
Well. If Americans stayed in the 250 class forever they may be able to beat CP and Rattray,. Rattray has been a pro on 125's/250's in GP since 2001 (so he's in his 10th season) and CP since like 2002 or 2003.. I agree a pro class is a pro class and don't think sandbagger is the right word but come on guys they are men amongst boys when you total up the years and top level experience.
CP started racing the GPs in 04.
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6/19/2010 1:13pm Edited Date/Time 6/19/2010 1:40pm
Well. If Americans stayed in the 250 class forever they may be able to beat CP and Rattray,. Rattray has been a pro on 125's/250's in...
Well. If Americans stayed in the 250 class forever they may be able to beat CP and Rattray,. Rattray has been a pro on 125's/250's in GP since 2001 (so he's in his 10th season) and CP since like 2002 or 2003.. I agree a pro class is a pro class and don't think sandbagger is the right word but come on guys they are men amongst boys when you total up the years and top level experience.
txrider44 wrote:
CP started racing the GPs in 04.
You're right 2004 was his 1st year. So it's CP's 7th year racing lites/250's at the top levels and Rattrays 10th year.. I know CP took a year and 1/2 off with injuries and Rattray about the same amount but you guys got to admit that they should be beating kids that have been racing at this level for 1-2 or 3 years tops. Bottom line is them winning isn't a slight on American MX when you factor all their experience. CP coming over here and spanking everyone is seriously the equivalent to RV going over to the GP's and spanking the MX2 class.
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Pourcel and Tyla are laughing all the way to the bank...hehe .silly girlie Americans giving us this easy money and fame,
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Team Euro wrote:
Pourcel and Tyla are laughing all the way to the bank...hehe .silly girlie Americans giving us this easy money and fame,
just wondering..

when was the last time a swede won a us nat???
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6/19/2010 1:33pm Edited Date/Time 6/19/2010 1:35pm
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Pourcel and Tyla are laughing all the way to the bank...hehe .silly girlie Americans giving us this easy money and fame,
I'm seriously doubting Rattray is laughing anywhere yet and especially not to the bank. it's actually probably pretty depressing when a guy w/9 years of pro experience and a world title comes over here and has 0 wins and 2 podiums his whole first year and only 1 win total in a year and 1/2 racing against American KIDS that just turned pro.. If I was Rattray I'd be quite disappointed. Nice try though team euro. Seriously though if you believe 1/2 the BS you type you are absolutely clueless.
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Pourcel raced

2005
2006
2007

was injured and came here to race 2009 tried to get a factory 450 ride and it didn't work out and raced in 2010.

This is all while trying to learn Supercross in a country where nobody speaks his natural language.
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Here is the American Motocross Ladder of Success...

1) Amateur Ranks
2) Lites Class
3) MX Class

This is the progress to 'dominate' in America, this is why EVERY amateur hotshot heads to the lites class, because they aren't ready for the mx class. They need time to mature. Every Euro import ends up doing fine in the lites which is no guarantee of success in the mx class (ask roncado, pichon, or sorby)

it's always been that way, anyone who knows anything about american mx understands this. So when a 'world champ' comes over and has to ride in our rookie class (generally 16, 19 yr olds) for 3 years or more then I can't understand where all the Euro braggin is comin from...

bottom line, our lites class is just that...lites, its not the premier class in America and 5 titles in the lites class don't amount to the respect of 1 in the mx class...we love the lites class because we anticipate how they will do in the mx class, the final echelon in America

you can say 'big money' and 'big sponsors' and 'national title' all you want but the reality of American mx is in the 450 class...when you win there, you win in america...

I realize this is just a Euro stab at America, but really, anyone with any knowledge of the american scene understands what both classes are all about.

Still, I don't want to disrespect the lites class, all pros are talented, but to say that the lites class is the dominating class in America is seriously false...so when all the foreigners jump up and start winning, then you can talk...finally

go BT101, much more respect for what he is doing then CP377(no disrespect)...

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Masonry wrote:
Pourcel raced 2005 2006 2007 was injured and came here to race 2009 tried to get a factory 450 ride and it didn't work out and...
Pourcel raced

2005
2006
2007

was injured and came here to race 2009 tried to get a factory 450 ride and it didn't work out and raced in 2010.

This is all while trying to learn Supercross in a country where nobody speaks his natural language.
Hey mr Clueless.. Cristophe started in 2004 in the GP's.. He finished 36th in pts in the GP's in 2004. If you're going to argue with me about facts at least know your facts.
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Masonry wrote:
Pourcel raced 2005 2006 2007 was injured and came here to race 2009 tried to get a factory 450 ride and it didn't work out and...
Pourcel raced

2005
2006
2007

was injured and came here to race 2009 tried to get a factory 450 ride and it didn't work out and raced in 2010.

This is all while trying to learn Supercross in a country where nobody speaks his natural language.
Hey mr Clueless.. Cristophe started in 2004 in the GP's.. He finished 36th in pts in the GP's in 2004. If you're going to argue with...
Hey mr Clueless.. Cristophe started in 2004 in the GP's.. He finished 36th in pts in the GP's in 2004. If you're going to argue with me about facts at least know your facts.
Okay so in that case Villopoto raced

2005
2006
2007
2008

in the lites class in his home country with his dad going with him to every race

Dungey raced

2006
2007
2008
2009

in the lites class in his home country with his dad going with to him to every race
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Masonry wrote:
Pourcel raced 2005 2006 2007 was injured and came here to race 2009 tried to get a factory 450 ride and it didn't work out and...
Pourcel raced

2005
2006
2007

was injured and came here to race 2009 tried to get a factory 450 ride and it didn't work out and raced in 2010.

This is all while trying to learn Supercross in a country where nobody speaks his natural language.
Hey mr Clueless.. Cristophe started in 2004 in the GP's.. He finished 36th in pts in the GP's in 2004. If you're going to argue with...
Hey mr Clueless.. Cristophe started in 2004 in the GP's.. He finished 36th in pts in the GP's in 2004. If you're going to argue with me about facts at least know your facts.
Masonry wrote:
Okay so in that case Villopoto raced 2005 2006 2007 2008 in the lites class in his home country with his dad going with him to...
Okay so in that case Villopoto raced

2005
2006
2007
2008

in the lites class in his home country with his dad going with him to every race

Dungey raced

2006
2007
2008
2009

in the lites class in his home country with his dad going with to him to every race
So there dads being there somehow makes this different?? Dude 7 years is 7 years or 10 years in Rattrays case.
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swaz wrote:
1st france, 2nd s africa, 3rd usa, 4th scotland. are the mighty falling or are they not as fast as they think they are?
I am not arguing with you about Rattray but I don't know how anybody can call Pourcel (who is only 21) out about wanting to race the 250 class after that injury that he had and moving to America.
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6/19/2010 1:48pm Edited Date/Time 6/19/2010 1:49pm
Tylas been in the lites/125/mx2 class so long that he was racing GP's back when RC won his first ever SX vs MC.. That's kind of long ago..lol

Don't get me wrong. I like Tyla. I think he's a class act and one hell of a rider. I just think he needs to move up.
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6/19/2010 2:05pm Edited Date/Time 6/19/2010 2:10pm
Tylas been in the lites/125/mx2 class so long that he was racing GP's back when RC won his first ever SX vs MC.. That's kind of...
Tylas been in the lites/125/mx2 class so long that he was racing GP's back when RC won his first ever SX vs MC.. That's kind of long ago..lol

Don't get me wrong. I like Tyla. I think he's a class act and one hell of a rider. I just think he needs to move up.
I think it makes for great racing. I enjoyed it when guys like Dowd, L. Ward, Voland,Tichenor, Button, Brown, and Hughes dropped down to the 125 class to race with the kids.
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They all come to america to get faster, and I'll give RATTRAY,POURCEL to the euros they were established pros. Dean Wilson is a teenager we U.S.A. will make his career. He didnt come here established. Dean Wilson is SPEED BY U.S.A.
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6/19/2010 2:28pm Edited Date/Time 6/19/2010 2:29pm
JSB wrote:
They all come to america to get faster, and I'll give RATTRAY,POURCEL to the euros they were established pros. Dean Wilson is a teenager we U.S.A...
They all come to america to get faster, and I'll give RATTRAY,POURCEL to the euros they were established pros. Dean Wilson is a teenager we U.S.A. will make his career. He didnt come here established. Dean Wilson is SPEED BY U.S.A.
Yep.. Deano and even Max Anstie(Max has been here a few years) are products of the American amateur program and unlike Tyla and Cristophe are just kids.
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Just another difference between the FIM and AMA series - in the GP's the 250's are seen as a legitimate title class.

People seem to consider that the AMA 250 class is a support or entry level class, despite the fact that it has full AMA National Title status, and many have no issue with counting AMA 250 titles amongst a rider's career achievements.
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Team Euro wrote:
Pourcel and Tyla are laughing all the way to the bank...hehe .silly girlie Americans giving us this easy money and fame,
like this idiot knows anything...
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Pourcel and Tyla are laughing all the way to the bank...hehe .silly girlie Americans giving us this easy money and fame,
Those darn arrogant Euros. .... Smile

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