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Dutch348 4/18/2021 11:31am
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I get tired of being right all the time. The two guys that decided to have a kid in the middle of their prime (Eli and Kenny) get smoked by the guy who eats, sleeps, trains and rides.
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cool_hand wrote:
Roczen moved over when Webb took that corner, and Webb wasn't really that aggressive....the GOAT's gotta be eatin' some crow after all that, "Webb would be...
Roczen moved over when Webb took that corner, and Webb wasn't really that aggressive....the GOAT's gotta be eatin' some crow after all that, "Webb would be lucky to be on the podium,.there's a lot of guys faster than him..." " No way, Webb catches Kenny tonight,.." etc. Webb proved all the haters wrong last night.
I agree, the Goat doesn't like Webb after he declared that Daytona was very one lined! Talk about holding a grudge.
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Dutch348 wrote:
I get tired of being right all the time. The two guys that decided to have a kid in the middle of their prime (Eli and...
I get tired of being right all the time. The two guys that decided to have a kid in the middle of their prime (Eli and Kenny) get smoked by the guy who eats, sleeps, trains and rides.
Tomac won a title as a father.
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jorgechavez 4/18/2021 11:41am
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mxb2 wrote:
Tomac won a title as a father.
And it’s not like Kenny was winning SX titles before his kid was born. Not to mention the fact that this is probably the closest he’s ever come to winning one.

Osborne has two kids (I believe) and won the outdoor title last year.
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Park Boys wrote:
Sort of agree but Roczen is a hell of a lot closer then Webb.
Thisusernameisavailable wrote:
Definitely disagree with the "hell of a lot closer" KR has two Outdoor 450 championships. CW is two races away from two SX championships. I guess...
Definitely disagree with the "hell of a lot closer"

KR has two Outdoor 450 championships.
CW is two races away from two SX championships.

I guess it depends on how you value each championship.. But it feels to me that the SX is more 'desired' by the riders. Despite what us longtime hardcore fans think, it appears the riders REALLY want to win at SX more than MX. Money maybe? Of course, to have both is the ultimate crown.
Do 250 MX tiles not count anymore?

CW2
AMA 250SX West - 2015, 2016
AMA 250MX - 2016
AMA 450SX - 2019

KR94
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Park Boys wrote:
Sort of agree but Roczen is a hell of a lot closer then Webb.
Thisusernameisavailable wrote:
Definitely disagree with the "hell of a lot closer" KR has two Outdoor 450 championships. CW is two races away from two SX championships. I guess...
Definitely disagree with the "hell of a lot closer"

KR has two Outdoor 450 championships.
CW is two races away from two SX championships.

I guess it depends on how you value each championship.. But it feels to me that the SX is more 'desired' by the riders. Despite what us longtime hardcore fans think, it appears the riders REALLY want to win at SX more than MX. Money maybe? Of course, to have both is the ultimate crown.
Red141 wrote:
Do 250 MX tiles not count anymore? CW2 AMA 250SX West - 2015, 2016 AMA 250MX - 2016 AMA 450SX - 2019 KR94 AMA-250SX West –...
Do 250 MX tiles not count anymore?

CW2
AMA 250SX West - 2015, 2016
AMA 250MX - 2016
AMA 450SX - 2019

KR94
AMA-250SX West – 2013
AMA-450MX – 2014, 2016
Tomac has those 250 stats also.
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Dutch348 wrote:
I get tired of being right all the time. The two guys that decided to have a kid in the middle of their prime (Eli and...
I get tired of being right all the time. The two guys that decided to have a kid in the middle of their prime (Eli and Kenny) get smoked by the guy who eats, sleeps, trains and rides.
Whatever Webb bangs just as much as the rest! Maybe his swimmers are slow ! Lol
He’s got something!!!!!
Decoster knew it!
Just likened knew something about R Dungey!
R D, is tha Man ! Always will be!!!!
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Park Boys wrote:
Sort of agree but Roczen is a hell of a lot closer then Webb.
Thisusernameisavailable wrote:
Definitely disagree with the "hell of a lot closer" KR has two Outdoor 450 championships. CW is two races away from two SX championships. I guess...
Definitely disagree with the "hell of a lot closer"

KR has two Outdoor 450 championships.
CW is two races away from two SX championships.

I guess it depends on how you value each championship.. But it feels to me that the SX is more 'desired' by the riders. Despite what us longtime hardcore fans think, it appears the riders REALLY want to win at SX more than MX. Money maybe? Of course, to have both is the ultimate crown.
Red141 wrote:
Do 250 MX tiles not count anymore? CW2 AMA 250SX West - 2015, 2016 AMA 250MX - 2016 AMA 450SX - 2019 KR94 AMA-250SX West –...
Do 250 MX tiles not count anymore?

CW2
AMA 250SX West - 2015, 2016
AMA 250MX - 2016
AMA 450SX - 2019

KR94
AMA-250SX West – 2013
AMA-450MX – 2014, 2016
Webb's 250 mx title does . Regional 250 sx titles are not counted among major titles .
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B Lenny 4/18/2021 3:29pm
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Would love to see Kenny come back again next year...Blush
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Just got done watching the broadcast. Cooper owned his poor riding the last two races. Went to Florida with the team to try and get his shit together. Comes back to Atlanta and is much better. Ken meanwhile has the momentum and pulls a 12 second gap but still fails to execute and falls. No biggie. Still a 5 second lead to play with. Still fails to execute because, wait for it.....his bars were tweaked. So many people run their mouths about Ken deserving the title after what he’s been through, this is precisely why “deserve” means shit. One man is earning the title. One man is not.
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500 Mike 4/18/2021 3:51pm
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burn1986 wrote:
Webb won’t blow it. I predict Ken will let him by every race.
I hate to say it but I agree with you 100%. I am a KR fan but he has no fight left in him. It’s almost like he is afraid of Webb.
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Red141 wrote:
Do 250 MX tiles not count anymore? CW2 AMA 250SX West - 2015, 2016 AMA 250MX - 2016 AMA 450SX - 2019 KR94 AMA-250SX West –...
Do 250 MX tiles not count anymore?

CW2
AMA 250SX West - 2015, 2016
AMA 250MX - 2016
AMA 450SX - 2019

KR94
AMA-250SX West – 2013
AMA-450MX – 2014, 2016
Roczen also has an MX2 World Championship (2011).

Regional SX titles don't count, but 250 outdoor national titles do.

So:

Webb

AMA 250 MX 2016
AMA 450 SX 2019

Roczen

MX2 World Champ 2011
AMA 450 MX 2014
AMA 450 MX 2016
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Radical 4/19/2021 12:41am
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WTH? It's never over until it's over.
Gordon Liddy 4/19/2021 2:56am
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Park Boys wrote:
I’m saying is so far in their careers Roczen contends for the SX title and Webb hasn’t been close to a 450 MX title. Can’t argue...
I’m saying is so far in their careers Roczen contends for the SX title and Webb hasn’t been close to a 450 MX title. Can’t argue with that.
FerCzD wrote:
I'd say as they are right now, Roczen (2x MX titles) is above Webb (1x SX title). If/When Webb takes this one home they will be...
I'd say as they are right now, Roczen (2x MX titles) is above Webb (1x SX title). If/When Webb takes this one home they will be tied 2 vs. 2 (even though if they are on different disciplines).

However,

I am a firm believer Webb is far from this years being his last shot at a championship, it's the other way around: he is set to score multiple crowns in the next 3 years, whereas Roczen ship has sailed; and the nail to the coffin we all saw it today: no fight In him, letting your main rival go by.
You guys can't compare career stats of Webb vs Roczen while they are both still active riders. They are at different points in their careers.

Ken is in his 8th season of the 450 class.

Cooper is in his 5th season of the 450 class.
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Hmm, I wonder if this has anything to do with it?
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When was it announced the series was cut short 2 rounds? It ain’t over, until it’s over.
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karlsmith808 4/19/2021 7:28am
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Dutch348 wrote:
I get tired of being right all the time. The two guys that decided to have a kid in the middle of their prime (Eli and...
I get tired of being right all the time. The two guys that decided to have a kid in the middle of their prime (Eli and Kenny) get smoked by the guy who eats, sleeps, trains and rides.
Agreed. All cooper cares about is winning.
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Park Boys 4/19/2021 7:53am
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Park Boys wrote:
Sort of agree but Roczen is a hell of a lot closer then Webb.
Thisusernameisavailable wrote:
Definitely disagree with the "hell of a lot closer" KR has two Outdoor 450 championships. CW is two races away from two SX championships. I guess...
Definitely disagree with the "hell of a lot closer"

KR has two Outdoor 450 championships.
CW is two races away from two SX championships.

I guess it depends on how you value each championship.. But it feels to me that the SX is more 'desired' by the riders. Despite what us longtime hardcore fans think, it appears the riders REALLY want to win at SX more than MX. Money maybe? Of course, to have both is the ultimate crown.
What I mean by Roczen is a lot closer to the ultimate goal is this. Roczen is in the running for an SX crown now and has shown elite 450 SX speed for most of his career. Webb has one 450 MX win in the half mud race of Millville 2019. Roczen is much closer to winning an SX crown then Webb a 450 Mx title. Outside of of that one race Webb has never had race winning 450 pace outdoors. Of course SX is the crown Jewel but all of the legends of the AMA series have won at both. Anderson openly has stated how bad he wants to win 450 MX race. Maybe this year Webb finds 1-2 seconds a lap to compete for wins consistently or maybe the Roczen/Tomac MX era is over and you don’t need that top speed and his grit and never give up attitude gets it done.
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Yamhaul wrote:
[img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2021/04/19/488439/s1200_krocsurgery11.jpg[/img] Hmm, I wonder if this has anything to do with it?


Hmm, I wonder if this has anything to do with it?
Just a flesh wound.
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Dutch348 wrote:
I get tired of being right all the time. The two guys that decided to have a kid in the middle of their prime (Eli and...
I get tired of being right all the time. The two guys that decided to have a kid in the middle of their prime (Eli and Kenny) get smoked by the guy who eats, sleeps, trains and rides.
Truth... watching et3 in the whoops sat night was sad... dude was not pushing, he was keeping it safe.... et3 just doesn't want it as bad as lil deuce....
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Gordon Liddy wrote:
You guys can't compare career stats of Webb vs Roczen while they are both still active riders. They are at different points in their careers. Ken...
You guys can't compare career stats of Webb vs Roczen while they are both still active riders. They are at different points in their careers.

Ken is in his 8th season of the 450 class.

Cooper is in his 5th season of the 450 class.
They're pretty much the same age though. Webb is like 5 months younger. Kenny's career has been pretty long because he turned pro a week after turning 15
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thisnameistaken 4/19/2021 9:07am
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MKMX wrote:
When was it announced the series was cut short 2 rounds? It ain’t over, until it’s over.
Exactly, look at tomac in east Rutherford in 2017
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Pop Shmoke 4/19/2021 9:21am
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Yamhaul wrote:
[img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2021/04/19/488439/s1200_krocsurgery11.jpg[/img] Hmm, I wonder if this has anything to do with it?


Hmm, I wonder if this has anything to do with it?
His arm forced him to take the outside line vs inside line? Damn. Didnt seem to affect him when he had an 11 sec lead on the fastest sx racers on earth..

Look Kens an animal and his come back has been incredible. Ppl are just upset at him letting ppl by vs giving it everything he has at the end. Or not even giving it everything but just going inside vs out in pit lane. We all know what hes capable of thats why its disappointing to watch. This was his year to win it all and I wanted it for him... maybe even more than he does. Thats why it sucks to see him just let coop past right at the end. This may have been his last chance, the cards were all falling the right way but he just couldnt find that last 5% to get it done. Who knows how many more chances hell have to be up by like 30 on Tomac and 15 or whatever he was up on coop a couple races ago. When that opportunity comes along you have to make it happen cuz it may not happen again. You gotta fight like hell and if you lose still, at least give it everyyyything you had.
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Gordon Liddy 4/19/2021 9:35am
4/19/2021 9:35am Edited Date/Time 4/19/2021 9:39am
Gordon Liddy wrote:
You guys can't compare career stats of Webb vs Roczen while they are both still active riders. They are at different points in their careers. Ken...
You guys can't compare career stats of Webb vs Roczen while they are both still active riders. They are at different points in their careers.

Ken is in his 8th season of the 450 class.

Cooper is in his 5th season of the 450 class.
crusty_xx wrote:
They're pretty much the same age though. Webb is like 5 months younger. Kenny's career has been pretty long because he turned pro a week after...
They're pretty much the same age though. Webb is like 5 months younger. Kenny's career has been pretty long because he turned pro a week after turning 15
True. Roczen is only one year older than webb. If people want to compare their stats though then they need to wait 3 years and compare Cooper's 8 years in stats to roczen's 8-year stats, or just wait until they both retire.
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What the hell is up with people saying Honda should be looking for a new rider? Last I checked Ken is 2nd in points with a...
What the hell is up with people saying Honda should be looking for a new rider? Last I checked Ken is 2nd in points with a shot still at the title. He's literally beating almost all of the most stacked field ever including multiple past champions and his other Honda teammate.

If Honda were to "push him out" as some monkey suggested, who exactly would they sign on in his place? Looking at the results it's not going to be anyone better...

When he's feeling it he's arguably the fastest rider on earth. Even tonight he had 12 seconds over 2nd. Sure he imploded a bit, but he still beat everyone else bar Webb. Who else would Honda want given they can't have Webb?
Motodave15 wrote:
Honda pushed out MC/ RC after championships.... don't get it twisted, they will cut riders out/off faster than almost all other manufacturers.
Anybody here watching MotoGP in 2006? Remember Nicky Hayden? He was treated as the #2 rider before, during and after he was winning the world championship. Honda shows zero loyalty.
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blockhead17 4/19/2021 5:23pm
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Yamhaul wrote:
[img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2021/04/19/488439/s1200_krocsurgery11.jpg[/img] Hmm, I wonder if this has anything to do with it?


Hmm, I wonder if this has anything to do with it?
Didn’t seem to on Tuesday..
Iridereallyslow 4/19/2021 5:55pm
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Yuban156 wrote:
Crazy part is when in the intermission interview he said he really didn’t care if he won the championship while reggae/ island music played. He doesn’t...
Crazy part is when in the intermission interview he said he really didn’t care if he won the championship while reggae/ island music played. He doesn’t care, it’s family time. This will be hard to produce a championship when a dozen sharks are willing to risk it all.
People keep over analyzing the on track events, but Yuban nailed it, Roczen doesn’t care about winning the championship, he admitted to himself and the entire audience in that off-track segment.

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Yuban156 wrote:
Crazy part is when in the intermission interview he said he really didn’t care if he won the championship while reggae/ island music played. He doesn’t...
Crazy part is when in the intermission interview he said he really didn’t care if he won the championship while reggae/ island music played. He doesn’t care, it’s family time. This will be hard to produce a championship when a dozen sharks are willing to risk it all.
Iridereallyslow wrote:
People keep over analyzing the on track events, but Yuban nailed it, Roczen doesn’t care about winning the championship, he admitted to himself and the entire...
People keep over analyzing the on track events, but Yuban nailed it, Roczen doesn’t care about winning the championship, he admitted to himself and the entire audience in that off-track segment.

I thought he said he doesn't get worked up as much over results now because he has more important things in his life other than racing. If you really think the dude doesn't care about winning a championship what does that say about everyone else in the field behind him?
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Park Boys wrote:
What I mean by Roczen is a lot closer to the ultimate goal is this. Roczen is in the running for an SX crown now and...
What I mean by Roczen is a lot closer to the ultimate goal is this. Roczen is in the running for an SX crown now and has shown elite 450 SX speed for most of his career. Webb has one 450 MX win in the half mud race of Millville 2019. Roczen is much closer to winning an SX crown then Webb a 450 Mx title. Outside of of that one race Webb has never had race winning 450 pace outdoors. Of course SX is the crown Jewel but all of the legends of the AMA series have won at both. Anderson openly has stated how bad he wants to win 450 MX race. Maybe this year Webb finds 1-2 seconds a lap to compete for wins consistently or maybe the Roczen/Tomac MX era is over and you don’t need that top speed and his grit and never give up attitude gets it done.
Will be interesting to see Coop outdoors this year.

He's capable of getting it done I think and you'd assume there is no SX title hangover this time around.
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