claiming bikes and loretta's talk

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8/3/2017 8:35 AM

What's the most current rule about claiming bikes at the ranch? I know a few years ago when RC raced he got rid of factory suspension because they were afraid someone was going to claim the bike.

This year there are some pretty trick bikes down there from the star, geico, and PC bikes all with A kit and everything else on them.

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8/3/2017 8:43 AM

Everybody knows the playground rules Mork, no one is going to claim one of those.

https://mxsports.com/pages/supplemental-rules

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8/3/2017 8:52 AM

I've always wondered why claims aren't made.

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8/3/2017 9:04 AM

Carson Mumford's 150 has to be one of the most one-off bikes there.

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8/3/2017 9:47 AM

RyanD797 wrote:

Everybody knows the playground rules Mork, no one is going to claim one of those.

https://mxsports.com/pages/supplemental-rules

Thanks.. that cleared that up

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8/3/2017 10:02 AM

So not only do I need to find the URL for you, I need to read the page for you too?

G: PROTEST FEES AND PROCEDURES
3. The claiming rule value is two times the Manufacturer's Suggested Retail Price (MSRP) at the National event.


Teams aren't going to claim another team's bikes. If you claim a team's bike, your possible future as a support/factory will be claimed by somebody else.

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8/3/2017 10:15 AM

Mike Alessi just took his shirt off

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If I wanted to ride a 4stroke, I would stay home and mow the lawn

8/3/2017 10:52 AM

RyanD797 wrote:

So not only do I need to find the URL for you, I need to read the page for you too?

G: PROTEST FEES AND PROCEDURES
3. The claiming rule value is two times the Manufacturer's Suggested Retail Price (MSRP) at the National event.


Teams aren't going to claim another team's bikes. If you claim a team's bike, your possible future as a support/factory will be claimed by somebody else.

Frankly, that would be a reason for me TO claim a team bike. Too many peoplw worried about pissing off the "powers that be". The butthurt drama would be epic to watch...........

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8/3/2017 12:07 PM

Oh the drama would be epic....

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8/3/2017 12:15 PM

just think if you are racing 40+ and running like 42nd and are never getting a factory ride, so you 2x retail and you get mike browns factory husky!!

would be cool!!

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8/3/2017 1:58 PM

The carson mumfords 150 or the PC bikes is what I think would be the best deal.

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8/3/2017 2:12 PM

dirtdog36 wrote:

just think if you are racing 40+ and running like 42nd and are never getting a factory ride, so you 2x retail and you get mike browns factory husky!!

would be cool!!

This is why I don't get the lack of claims. Take a vacation in TN to ride, come home with Forkner's PC bike. Maybe most just aren't aware?

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8/3/2017 3:16 PM

Carson's 150 is efi and a modified as they come. Are they saying 2 times Honda's CRF150r msrp? His 150 is easily worth $10k. Gieco has WAY more then that into it.
http://www.dirtrider.com/carson-mumford-factory-connection-honda-crf150r#page-7

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8/3/2017 3:16 PM

Show up with Craigslist bike. Claim the best best you see. Now they have no bike and you have the best one!!

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8/3/2017 3:20 PM
Edited Date/Time: 8/3/2017 3:21 PM

the a kit susp would make up the X2 price....whistling
watch me next summer, im coming home with a pc works bike

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8/3/2017 3:22 PM

Ya....$40k bike for 2x retail...a bargain if you have the $$

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8/3/2017 3:22 PM

So you would get the bike no matter what as long as you paid double retail?

$18,000 for a 450?

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8/3/2017 3:24 PM
Edited Date/Time: 8/3/2017 3:27 PM

and what does a set of a kit susp go for?

https://www.jgrmx.com/collections/suspension-1/products/49mm-sff-spring-factory-showa-a-kit-kx250f-450f-forks


mehh, or you could just go buy a new ktm or husky....

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8/3/2017 3:27 PM

How done up are these amateurs bikes? Like would Justin Cooper's bike be similar to Plessinger's?

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8/3/2017 3:48 PM

jorgechavez wrote:

How done up are these amateurs bikes? Like would Justin Cooper's bike be similar to Plessinger's?

From what I've been told, the PC, Star and Amsoil bikes are no different than what Savatgy, Plessinger and Martin are riding. But idk for sure, That's just what I was told.

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8/3/2017 4:22 PM
Edited Date/Time: 8/3/2017 4:27 PM

dirtdog36 wrote:

just think if you are racing 40+ and running like 42nd and are never getting a factory ride, so you 2x retail and you get mike browns factory husky!!

would be cool!!

Hypothetical: You are that guy that knows he is is never going to get a factory ride so you claim a factory bike. To even up a little on the financial side, you offer up the bike to all the magazines and web sites to ride it, dyno it, tear it down, take pictures and write it up for their magazine.

1. Which magazine/web sites would even bid?

2. Who would win?

3. What would the winning bid be?

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8/3/2017 5:57 PM

I'm surprised this thread hasn't vaporized.
Guess the mfg honchos are busy at the Ranch and not scanning the Vital village. wassat laughing

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8/3/2017 6:11 PM

Mini Elsinore wrote:

I'm surprised this thread hasn't vaporized.
Guess the mfg honchos are busy at the Ranch and not scanning the Vital village. wassat laughing

Knee deep in the tinfoil

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8/3/2017 6:54 PM

A stock 450 is so good these days that claims don't make sense, and the works bikes are set up to their riders preference, which probably is way off from average rider preference

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8/3/2017 7:26 PM
Edited Date/Time: 8/4/2017 9:32 AM

Mini Elsinore wrote:

I'm surprised this thread hasn't vaporized.
Guess the mfg honchos are busy at the Ranch and not scanning the Vital village. wassat laughing

jj welks wrote:

Knee deep in the tinfoil

Wut? Did I leave out the "/s/"? wink

A claiming thread pops up annually. And, annually, one of the insiders drops by to explain the unwritten agreement among the honchos to protect the bikes. Here's my recall: More than 1party can lodge a claim. If a claim is made, all honchos will submit a claim. There is a blind draw. More claims reduces the odds. Bike will be returned after the fact, and recompense will follow. I don't recall this unwritten agreement being confirmed by a honcho, but I have no reason to doubt it.

Personally, I would love to see mini-Dad's lodging claims like the early days of Cobra---fist fights and threats of lawsuits. Good times, man, good times.

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8/3/2017 7:45 PM

Ok so I am not of US origins (UK) so i missed something here. Can someone explain to me what the heck this is all about please? I can go and take someone's bike?!

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8/3/2017 8:14 PM

Beeby wrote:

Ok so I am not of US origins (UK) so i missed something here. Can someone explain to me what the heck this is all about please? I can go and take someone's bike?!

Yup, if you got the $$$$$, probably wouldn't hurt to be a certified bad ass either, cause somebody gonna get pissed. laughing

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There's something happening here, what it is ain't exactly clear.

8/3/2017 8:59 PM

Ok. So break this down for me. What is this? Some sort of rule?

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8/3/2017 9:01 PM

Beeby wrote:

Ok. So break this down for me. What is this? Some sort of rule?

I think it's so kids aren't showing up with $50,000 bikes in the C Class

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8/3/2017 9:15 PM

Beeby wrote:

Ok. So break this down for me. What is this? Some sort of rule?

A claiming rule is a rule that means you have to sell your bike to any competitors at the price set by the race promoters. In our case, the price is 2X MSRP.
The goal is to limit costs, because you wouldn't* spend $50,000 building a bike if anyone can buy it from you for $18,000. However nobody uses the claiming rule, so it doesn't have an effect. Those pro circuit bikes are worth alot more than 2X MSRP.

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