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Edited Date/Time 2/15/2014 4:03am
I know that racing motorcycles is costly, at any level, but when I see people asking for donations and this and that for their "racing career" I can't sympathize. Looking at pro riders whining on facebook about how they can't afford anything and how the purse money is junk is really old even though I completely agree with them. I KNOW how bad it is, how laughable purse money is at the pro races and how honestly it probably isn't worth it BUT its always been that way! This is a complaint that every generation has dealt with and with the price of getting to the races and the time and effort it takes to do it its not worth it BUT ITS ALWAYS BEEN THAT WAY you knew what you were getting yourself into, think about the amateurs that do it for a plastic trophy in the C class, at least you're good so it seems like there's at least reasoning behind why you're spending the money. Let me clearly repeat myself though, I agree that pros don't get paid enough especially when a 3rd string pitcher on the mets is making 15 million.



With that being said and what really rubbed me the wrong way was in this latest installment of racer head. Are Feld and MX Sports honestly proud at what Weston Peick has made over the first rounds of supercross? They must be to showcase a whopping $13,915 dollars. Anaheim stadium has been packed for 3 rounds, Phoenix, San Diego, Oakland, they've all had probably upwards of 40,000 fans attend each round. They've sold pit passes, merchandise, TV time, entry fees, mechanics passes, and a million other fees have all brought in revenue. Weston has placed Top 5 twice, 7th once, a 16th, a 21st, and a 22nd. That leaves him with 3 top 10s out of 6 starts in the most prestigious series in the world, passing and beating factory riders and at this point he still can't payoff the 2 bikes he had to buy to even race this year in supercross (theoretically if he paid MSRP). I don't think that's a $ they should be showboating around like he won the lottery, shit he's even gonna get taxed on that.
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2/14/2014 2:13pm
I wish made $13000 already this year.
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2/14/2014 2:18pm
On average, that's a little over 2300 bucks per race ON JUST PURSE MONEY.
That's way more than I make in one week at my job.
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2/14/2014 2:22pm
MT MX wrote:
On average, that's a little over 2300 bucks per race ON JUST PURSE MONEY.
That's way more than I make in one week at my job.
How much do you spend a week to do your job?

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2/14/2014 2:23pm
I agree with you but want to make one correction, you said "They've sold pit passes, merchandise, TV time" as far as i know, unlike other sports SX/MX actually PAYS to be on TV, not the other way around.
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2/14/2014 2:25pm Edited Date/Time 2/14/2014 2:27pm
MT MX wrote:
On average, that's a little over 2300 bucks per race ON JUST PURSE MONEY.
That's way more than I make in one week at my job.
bikes, fuel, suspension, blown motors, mechanic, entry fees, normal every day parts, practice during the week, on top of normal bill like housing, insurance, car payments whatever else it may be. Granted he has money coming in from sponsors like fly and stuff and it may not all be coming out of his pocket but it doesn't make up for the fact that the dude is top 5 material and hasn't even covered the cost of two bikes (at msrp). And I'm not saying 2300 isn't far above average for a normal person but for the effort,time, risk, dedication, and money they put in its laughable.

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and do you really think that ON JUST PURSE MONEY is a necessity to be capitalized on Weston Peick? Because unlike villopoto, dungey, and some others I highly doubt he's raking in the cash of his big money factory sponsor
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As I understand it, MX Sports has no affiliation with the supercross series, so I don't see why they would have anything to do with that. As for the payout, it really is ridiculous. These guys are not working a normal job like the rest of us, they are professional athletes who worked hard to get where they are and should be compensated as such, just like any other sport. To ride as well as Weston has and to make so little is ridiculous, especially in supercross where there is a lot more money floating around. For the motocross series, I could maybe see how there wouldn't be a whole lot of cash to go around, but for supercross, give me a break, that is pitiful.
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Some of you people spend way too much time worrying about other peoples money. Do you think Peick gives a damn about how much money you make ? hell no so why does anyone care how much he makes.
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MT MX wrote:
On average, that's a little over 2300 bucks per race ON JUST PURSE MONEY.
That's way more than I make in one week at my job.
ktm212 wrote:
bikes, fuel, suspension, blown motors, mechanic, entry fees, normal every day parts, practice during the week, on top of normal bill like housing, insurance, car payments...
bikes, fuel, suspension, blown motors, mechanic, entry fees, normal every day parts, practice during the week, on top of normal bill like housing, insurance, car payments whatever else it may be. Granted he has money coming in from sponsors like fly and stuff and it may not all be coming out of his pocket but it doesn't make up for the fact that the dude is top 5 material and hasn't even covered the cost of two bikes (at msrp). And I'm not saying 2300 isn't far above average for a normal person but for the effort,time, risk, dedication, and money they put in its laughable.

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and do you really think that ON JUST PURSE MONEY is a necessity to be capitalized on Weston Peick? Because unlike villopoto, dungey, and some others I highly doubt he's raking in the cash of his big money factory sponsor
So why don't you go cut Peick a check to help him pay off his bikes and go racing ? You have no problem whining about how others spend their money so why don't you step up and help him out ? put your money where your mouth is.
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What is the median income in America? About $50K/year, right? That means over a month and a half, the median income earner in America has earned about $6200....that means Chisholm is earning about what the "average" American makes....Only he gets to do it racing a dirt bike.

(Obviously those numbers don't take into consideration any endorsements that they get).
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2/14/2014 2:39pm
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So why don't you go cut Peick a check to help him pay off his bikes and go racing ? You have no problem whining about...
So why don't you go cut Peick a check to help him pay off his bikes and go racing ? You have no problem whining about how others spend their money so why don't you step up and help him out ? put your money where your mouth is.
If I could I would, unfortunately all of my money goes to funding my own "pro career" get ready for and chasing the 6 East coast nationals. Not complaining though its a dream come true.
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2/14/2014 2:46pm Edited Date/Time 2/14/2014 2:46pm
lostboy819 wrote:
So why don't you go cut Peick a check to help him pay off his bikes and go racing ? You have no problem whining about...
So why don't you go cut Peick a check to help him pay off his bikes and go racing ? You have no problem whining about how others spend their money so why don't you step up and help him out ? put your money where your mouth is.
ktm212 wrote:
If I could I would, unfortunately all of my money goes to funding my own "pro career" get ready for and chasing the 6 East coast...
If I could I would, unfortunately all of my money goes to funding my own "pro career" get ready for and chasing the 6 East coast nationals. Not complaining though its a dream come true.
WHAT !! you cant afford to help out Peick ??? Well damn , now lets see how many of the pros step up to help you out so you can go racing............................... I bet not one of them will cut you a check Wink But if you swing through Denver I will buy lunch.
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2/14/2014 2:49pm
It always could be worse, he could race flat track.....
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ocscottie wrote:
I agree with you but want to make one correction, you said "[i]They've sold pit passes, merchandise, [b]TV time[/b][/i]" as far as i know, unlike other...
I agree with you but want to make one correction, you said "They've sold pit passes, merchandise, TV time" as far as i know, unlike other sports SX/MX actually PAYS to be on TV, not the other way around.
I believe that they are able to sell advertising time during the broadcasts to recoup their money. that is the way it was with Fox Sports West when we were car racing. Feld isn't a billionaire because he is shity at business.
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2/14/2014 2:55pm
Titan1 wrote:
What is the median income in America? About $50K/year, right? That means over a month and a half, the median income earner in America has earned...
What is the median income in America? About $50K/year, right? That means over a month and a half, the median income earner in America has earned about $6200....that means Chisholm is earning about what the "average" American makes....Only he gets to do it racing a dirt bike.

(Obviously those numbers don't take into consideration any endorsements that they get).
Except SX is sort of like migrant farm work. It's just a little over 4 months of work, then you have to go find another way to make some money. And like someone already said, the Nationals probably pay far less than SX. Hopefully Peick is getting a more generous contingency payout than the published rates, but it's hard to say. His dad posts on here but I think that sort of deal would be private info between them and Suzuki.
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2/14/2014 3:04pm
For WP to have only earned that much pay out at this level of competition, the upper echelon of Supercross, is atrocious. What does a 5th place finisher in any other comparable Pro Level Prime Time motorsport make? It would be interesting to see an average.

5th Place at this level of competition ought to be worth somewhere between $15,000 to $30,000.

This is nuts.
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2/14/2014 3:05pm
Titan1 wrote:
What is the median income in America? About $50K/year, right? That means over a month and a half, the median income earner in America has earned...
What is the median income in America? About $50K/year, right? That means over a month and a half, the median income earner in America has earned about $6200....that means Chisholm is earning about what the "average" American makes....Only he gets to do it racing a dirt bike.

(Obviously those numbers don't take into consideration any endorsements that they get).
And he gets to have huge expenses to do his job. Those bikes and parts don't buy themselves.
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I sunk every penny I made in to racing in my teens and early twenty's. MX/SX is not about the returns its about the achievements.
I never got any where with it but I wont change it for anything.
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I don't know man, it can ALWAYS be better (and no matter what it was, people on here would complain) but to me, 13K for six weeks of work seems pretty good to me. Don't forget, there is a top 20 series payout as well.

The OP complaining about Feld, MX Sports being "proud" of this is ridiculous, I put it in there to help people learn something. You can draw whatever conclusion you want from it but it's a news column and there's some info for fans. You're so far off-base it's ridiculous. But yeah, good job.
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Titan1 wrote:
What is the median income in America? About $50K/year, right? That means over a month and a half, the median income earner in America has earned...
What is the median income in America? About $50K/year, right? That means over a month and a half, the median income earner in America has earned about $6200....that means Chisholm is earning about what the "average" American makes....Only he gets to do it racing a dirt bike.

(Obviously those numbers don't take into consideration any endorsements that they get).
BAMX wrote:
And he gets to have huge expenses to do his job. Those bikes and parts don't buy themselves.
Racing is not a poor man's sport never has been and never will be. The days of racing the SXs or Nationals in a pick up are pretty much gone but when you hit the pits at any race the guys making little or no money sure have some nice stuff, RVs, trailers,pit bikes, mountain bikes etc etc. In 35 years of racing I bet I have spent well over 150K but I didnt expect any return because it was an investment in fun not profit. One of these days I will sit down and try to come up with a close dollar amount of what it cost to go racing all those years and I would do it all over again.
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2/14/2014 3:23pm
MT MX wrote:
On average, that's a little over 2300 bucks per race ON JUST PURSE MONEY.
That's way more than I make in one week at my job.
In your neck of the woods, you should get a job in the oilfield. You could be making $2300 A DAY. By the way, I love MT. It's a great state!
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I sunk every penny I made in to racing in my teens and early twenty's. MX/SX is not about the returns its about the achievements. I...
I sunk every penny I made in to racing in my teens and early twenty's. MX/SX is not about the returns its about the achievements.
I never got any where with it but I wont change it for anything.
Your post got me thinking and I agree with you 100% Smile
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For WP to have only earned that much pay out at this level of competition, the upper echelon of Supercross, is atrocious. What does a 5th...
For WP to have only earned that much pay out at this level of competition, the upper echelon of Supercross, is atrocious. What does a 5th place finisher in any other comparable Pro Level Prime Time motorsport make? It would be interesting to see an average.

5th Place at this level of competition ought to be worth somewhere between $15,000 to $30,000.

This is nuts.
For an average race (non endurance race Daytona 24hr or Sebring 12 hr) the Tudor United Sports Car Championship (formerly known as Grand Am and ALMS) gets $3000 for 5th, $5000 for 4th, $7000 for 3rd, $12,000 for second and $24,000 for first. Try spending your 5th place prize money on something when you have to share it with your driver/teammate, your team owner, your ten crew members. These races are also shown on Fox Sports 1 live just like Supercross. Defiantly dont get the prize money like we used to before 2000.

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2/14/2014 3:31pm Edited Date/Time 2/14/2014 3:32pm
I can't understand the rationale of defending the suit and tie crowd over the athletes who risk life and limb everyday.

Unless of course you are one of them or you are directly controlled by them

What about his expenses?
It's good money but not when you are risking death.
2/14/2014 3:31pm Edited Date/Time 2/14/2014 3:37pm
10k a month seems like a pretty good living for a non factory rider considering he also gets money from other sponsors. Sure its small potatoes compared to baseball - but so is this sport.
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I can't understand the rationale of defending the suit and tie crowd over the athletes who risk life and limb everyday. Unless of course you are...
I can't understand the rationale of defending the suit and tie crowd over the athletes who risk life and limb everyday.

Unless of course you are one of them or you are directly controlled by them

What about his expenses?
It's good money but not when you are risking death.
Risk vs reward and investment worth the return. You need to look at that before you decide to become a racer. This risking their life argument is bullshit.
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2/14/2014 3:38pm Edited Date/Time 2/14/2014 3:40pm
Titan1 wrote:
What is the median income in America? About $50K/year, right? That means over a month and a half, the median income earner in America has earned...
What is the median income in America? About $50K/year, right? That means over a month and a half, the median income earner in America has earned about $6200....that means Chisholm is earning about what the "average" American makes....Only he gets to do it racing a dirt bike.

(Obviously those numbers don't take into consideration any endorsements that they get).
BAMX wrote:
And he gets to have huge expenses to do his job. Those bikes and parts don't buy themselves.
I would imagine that he has sponsors that cover a huge percentage (if not all) of the cost of parts. I'm a nobody Vet B class desert racer and I have sponsors that cover a huge percentage of my parts. I would certainly hope a top 25 Supercross rider can at least get free parts-if not a bit of income for the advertising space on his bike/jersey/helmet.

Maybe he has to buy his bike (no doubt at a steep discount)...boo hoo...how many people on this board make $50K/year and buy their own bikes?

Transportation, race fees? Again, I'd have a hard time believing they don't have sponsors to cover a huge chunk (if not all) of their travel and race expenses.

In my opinion...yes, the riders should get more money...but I certainly don't feel sorry for any of them (especially those that are pitting out of a semi, or nice rig like Weston is). They get paid to do, or get to do for free (or almost free), what I spend thousands and thousands of dollars doing every year. Let's keep this in perspective a little bit.
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Feld is definitely making money on supercross, but let's face it, it's not as much as any stick and ball sport brings in. Those sports pay more because they make more overall, and I'm sure the players unions help. I'm sure the powers at Feld have done the analysis on what it costs to run a race, with stadium fees, track builders, ticket broker fees, any additional rental fees of outside space, marketing and advertising, tv coverage, employee overhead (both ongoing and directly event related), payout, insurance, etc, and come up with a margin that gives them the profit they desire. At the end of the day the 'suits and ties' are there to make money, and enough money to cover their perceived risk and grow their company. I have no clue what those profits are since I don't have their financial statements in front of me, so I can't say if they are grotesquely under paying or not (plus Feld has other venues of income). None of the payout schemes will change until something forces Feld to make the change. So until riders stop lining up, fans stop coming (which could result in the opposite of higher payouts), or the sport grows some more, it's going to be the same.

I would personally like to see Feld and their title sponsors allow more flexibility in race day advertising, promotions, and sales within the pits, to try and bring bigger sponsors back to the sport, and allow riders to make a lot more in contingency and sponsor dollars than race payouts.
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2/14/2014 3:59pm
I know a lot of racers that the agreement was close to a 70/30 split on the prize money ... the car owner got the 70. Yeah I said car, but it wouldn't surprise me one bit if the privateer crowd had a similar agreement.

Since it's no one's business here it's all moronic speculation. Shake yourselves people.

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