You’re suddenly the CEO of your favourite bike manufacturer; How are you changing the industry?

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Edited Date/Time 4/10/2021 6:15am
Exactly what the title says. Interested what you guys would change to bikes, to designs, your riders, sponsors, etc... Thanks!
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Seriously, replicate KTM. I’m no fanboy either, but they have a long term strategy that the others just don’t have, or worse, want.
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11/17/2019 7:51pm
Replicate kTM. Introduce more two strokes and lobby to allow 300 2s to race against 450's.
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11/17/2019 7:52pm
Dropbear wrote:
Seriously, replicate KTM. I’m no fanboy either, but they have a long term strategy that the others just don’t have, or worse, want.
Kawasaki. Race 50cc 125 and 250 2 stroke.
A true kz900 re make. A 500 triple h1.

Retro shirts jerseys jackets etc.
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11/17/2019 8:06pm Edited Date/Time 11/17/2019 8:11pm
Dropbear wrote:
Seriously, replicate KTM. I’m no fanboy either, but they have a long term strategy that the others just don’t have, or worse, want.
Kawasaki. Race 50cc 125 and 250 2 stroke.
A true kz900 re make. A 500 triple h1.

Retro shirts jerseys jackets etc.
Re-release the ‘78 CR250 in an air cooled 4 stroke version, and pressure the AMA to make that the only bike allowed to race. Fox air shox are permitted.
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How popular would mountain biking be if the cheapest bikes retailed at $8,000? MTB allows participants to get in cheaper by offering entry level and mid-level bikes that are still solid but don’t have all of the latest super trick components that the higher end bikes have.

Take that strategy and apply it to motocross bikes.
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Build a true full size entry level dirt bike that looks just like the top of the line motocrosser. But is heavier, very basic suspension, no bells and whistles, far less performance...but that sells for about half the cost. (Similar to how mountain bike companies sell different quality of bikes for different prices, but it takes someone that knows the sport to know the difference between them...to the casual guy they all look the same).

Get new people a brand new, great looking dirt bike, that looks just like the best of the best, for half the cost (or close to it...like $5k). That would get average joes into the sport.

Build what the public wants...not try to sell them what I want to build.
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Oh, and I would spend a lot of money fighting to keep public land open to riding. I’d support organizations that fight for riding areas (BRC, AMA etc). Have them fight court battles to keep tracks open (on behalf of the track owner), have them fight to keep trails open.

Almost every first gen rider got into the sport riding in the hills by their house...those areas need to stay open or nobody buys a new bike.
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11/17/2019 8:32pm
I'd focus a huge proportion of my development dollars on e-bikes and scooters. Building that market to rival the demand in countries like China, India, Thailand, etc could be a huge cash base that then allows you to spend a lot of money on passion projects.

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mc795 wrote:
Exactly what the title says. Interested what you guys would change to bikes, to designs, your riders, sponsors, etc... Thanks!
Aarrgghh Good topic. I’m gonna have to think about this one.
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Ramp up the E-bike production, build E-bike parks with beginner tracks and full blown moto track... have lots of public ride days to introduce bikes to the general public...
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Titan1 wrote:
Build a true full size entry level dirt bike that looks just like the top of the line motocrosser. But is heavier, very basic suspension, no...
Build a true full size entry level dirt bike that looks just like the top of the line motocrosser. But is heavier, very basic suspension, no bells and whistles, far less performance...but that sells for about half the cost. (Similar to how mountain bike companies sell different quality of bikes for different prices, but it takes someone that knows the sport to know the difference between them...to the casual guy they all look the same).

Get new people a brand new, great looking dirt bike, that looks just like the best of the best, for half the cost (or close to it...like $5k). That would get average joes into the sport.

Build what the public wants...not try to sell them what I want to build.
You mean like this?



GPX 250 2-stroke - $4799



GPX 450F - $5499



SSR 300 - $4399

Funny this topic came up. I’m casually looking for a used CRF 150F or something similar for my wife and I came across the SSR 189 brand new for pretty much what used 10 year old + Honda’s and Yamahas go for. A little google research and it looks like these bikes are built better than the Chinese ones of the past (pit bike craze of the 00’s).

It got me thinking about this very subject, I wonder why these bikes aren’t pushed more as entry level options to the casual weekend warrior and trail rider.
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Make my main focus the amateur scene.
pretty much what Yami are starting to do.

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You mean like this? [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2019/11/17/385623/s1200_4304BF0C_18A6_4BD9_B227_A6BDBD06D837.jpg[/img] GPX 250 2-stroke - $4799 [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2019/11/17/385624/s1200_CB89730C_5316_4893_A337_291E785FFD88.jpg[/img] GPX 450F - $5499 [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2019/11/17/385625/s1200_60314F41_4E5C_46A5_B65A_5CD4C7DB9353.jpg[/img] SSR 300 - $4399 Funny this topic came up. I’m...
You mean like this?



GPX 250 2-stroke - $4799



GPX 450F - $5499



SSR 300 - $4399

Funny this topic came up. I’m casually looking for a used CRF 150F or something similar for my wife and I came across the SSR 189 brand new for pretty much what used 10 year old + Honda’s and Yamahas go for. A little google research and it looks like these bikes are built better than the Chinese ones of the past (pit bike craze of the 00’s).

It got me thinking about this very subject, I wonder why these bikes aren’t pushed more as entry level options to the casual weekend warrior and trail rider.
There are a billion reason not to buy chinese, but i'm not going to attempt to tell anyone what to do or what not to do...
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11/17/2019 9:55pm
You mean like this? [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2019/11/17/385623/s1200_4304BF0C_18A6_4BD9_B227_A6BDBD06D837.jpg[/img] GPX 250 2-stroke - $4799 [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2019/11/17/385624/s1200_CB89730C_5316_4893_A337_291E785FFD88.jpg[/img] GPX 450F - $5499 [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2019/11/17/385625/s1200_60314F41_4E5C_46A5_B65A_5CD4C7DB9353.jpg[/img] SSR 300 - $4399 Funny this topic came up. I’m...
You mean like this?



GPX 250 2-stroke - $4799



GPX 450F - $5499



SSR 300 - $4399

Funny this topic came up. I’m casually looking for a used CRF 150F or something similar for my wife and I came across the SSR 189 brand new for pretty much what used 10 year old + Honda’s and Yamahas go for. A little google research and it looks like these bikes are built better than the Chinese ones of the past (pit bike craze of the 00’s).

It got me thinking about this very subject, I wonder why these bikes aren’t pushed more as entry level options to the casual weekend warrior and trail rider.
SLAPAHO wrote:
There are a billion reason not to buy chinese, but i'm not going to attempt to tell anyone what to do or what not to do...
No he is talking about an RMZ450
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Titan1 wrote:
Build a true full size entry level dirt bike that looks just like the top of the line motocrosser. But is heavier, very basic suspension, no...
Build a true full size entry level dirt bike that looks just like the top of the line motocrosser. But is heavier, very basic suspension, no bells and whistles, far less performance...but that sells for about half the cost. (Similar to how mountain bike companies sell different quality of bikes for different prices, but it takes someone that knows the sport to know the difference between them...to the casual guy they all look the same).

Get new people a brand new, great looking dirt bike, that looks just like the best of the best, for half the cost (or close to it...like $5k). That would get average joes into the sport.

Build what the public wants...not try to sell them what I want to build.
You mean like this? [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2019/11/17/385623/s1200_4304BF0C_18A6_4BD9_B227_A6BDBD06D837.jpg[/img] GPX 250 2-stroke - $4799 [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2019/11/17/385624/s1200_CB89730C_5316_4893_A337_291E785FFD88.jpg[/img] GPX 450F - $5499 [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2019/11/17/385625/s1200_60314F41_4E5C_46A5_B65A_5CD4C7DB9353.jpg[/img] SSR 300 - $4399 Funny this topic came up. I’m...
You mean like this?



GPX 250 2-stroke - $4799



GPX 450F - $5499



SSR 300 - $4399

Funny this topic came up. I’m casually looking for a used CRF 150F or something similar for my wife and I came across the SSR 189 brand new for pretty much what used 10 year old + Honda’s and Yamahas go for. A little google research and it looks like these bikes are built better than the Chinese ones of the past (pit bike craze of the 00’s).

It got me thinking about this very subject, I wonder why these bikes aren’t pushed more as entry level options to the casual weekend warrior and trail rider.
Yes but built by one of the big four.

It’s an image thing...it’s gotta have the name brand and the look.

Gotta be able to walk into the Honda dealership, and see the $12k works edition, next to the standard F, next to a $5k bike. Consumer can take their pick...and rather than walk out with sticker shock, they walk out with a $5k bike.
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This would be awesome to do....

Build brand loyalty and brand awareness by making mini bikes and making them very affordable and reliable. Getting the kids to love a brand is essential to keep it going. It need to be popular among the new generation... I would give toy companies free rights to plaster the brand name all over there toys, again to get the kids to beg mom n dad to have the brand.
A beginner level bike like PW or JR that can be controlled by smart phone just how fast it can go plus maybe emergency brakes to slow them down if needed.
A 50cc mini and pro 2T and electric all using the same frame and as many interchangeable compontents as possible.
A 65cc and 85cc with all the bells n whistles of the big boys bigs 2T and electric.
A 125cc 2T 250 4S and electric all built on the same platform.
A 250/300 2T 450 4s again sharing a base platform try and cut cost but not quality to get the savings to the customers..

I think KTM / Husky is building an amazing brand loyalty and contributes to their growing success not just because the bikes are good. Having an all orange grid at the base level is driving the next gen to want one as there next bike. now if they could get their price down like the weight of their bikes we'd see even more of them.

Now im a Suzuki guy through and through and would love to see them do just this as i need a new bike my RM 250 is getting old and i want a new 250 2T and my sone is 5 and they have nothing to offer that he could race so im going to have to jump ship....

Id involve the public like using forums like this one to see what the complaints are and strengths and build on that... Have public relations talk to the forums get and use the feedback.... Maybe let the public design some graphics and give the winner a bike.

Let ML and some selected others give them bikes to test all for free under the condition they have to have some sort of comp to give them away after the test. as much as possible to get the average joe back on the brand....

Suzuki never won with the strategy race sunday buy monday it never worked for them with RC or RD or Reed or or or ....
so time to think of new ways to make them good competitive and most of all cool and a must have item.

Even try a work edition but not half arsed but as close to what the factories run as possible.


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Somehow sway or retrain the youth of today to realize that being on the phone all the time IS NOT COOL.
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Go after Harley for stealing technology and rescinding their investment.
Break from the AMA and form a race series where electric bikes can compete.

RIP Alta.
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You mean like this? [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2019/11/17/385623/s1200_4304BF0C_18A6_4BD9_B227_A6BDBD06D837.jpg[/img] GPX 250 2-stroke - $4799 [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2019/11/17/385624/s1200_CB89730C_5316_4893_A337_291E785FFD88.jpg[/img] GPX 450F - $5499 [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2019/11/17/385625/s1200_60314F41_4E5C_46A5_B65A_5CD4C7DB9353.jpg[/img] SSR 300 - $4399 Funny this topic came up. I’m...
You mean like this?



GPX 250 2-stroke - $4799



GPX 450F - $5499



SSR 300 - $4399

Funny this topic came up. I’m casually looking for a used CRF 150F or something similar for my wife and I came across the SSR 189 brand new for pretty much what used 10 year old + Honda’s and Yamahas go for. A little google research and it looks like these bikes are built better than the Chinese ones of the past (pit bike craze of the 00’s).

It got me thinking about this very subject, I wonder why these bikes aren’t pushed more as entry level options to the casual weekend warrior and trail rider.

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11/18/2019 4:00am
1. Sell company 2. With my fresh finances lure Bubba back for one season on KX-125, outdoors in 250 class. 3. Begin dating Scarlett Johansson, sport her on my arm at Anaheim, get Alta tattoo.
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I make custom bicycle parts in bmx and mtn bikes. I take 10% of every purchase and donate it to the buyers home track or trail network. Its been a pretty good program, I've sent money all over the country and to Hawaii and Canada. Without tracks and trails, I wouldnt have a customer base. If I were in moto, I would apply the same program on a similar scale to try and help sustain and grow the sport
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Dtat720 wrote:
I make custom bicycle parts in bmx and mtn bikes. I take 10% of every purchase and donate it to the buyers home track or trail...
I make custom bicycle parts in bmx and mtn bikes. I take 10% of every purchase and donate it to the buyers home track or trail network. Its been a pretty good program, I've sent money all over the country and to Hawaii and Canada. Without tracks and trails, I wouldnt have a customer base. If I were in moto, I would apply the same program on a similar scale to try and help sustain and grow the sport
That's pretty cool!!!!
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11/18/2019 7:34am Edited Date/Time 11/18/2019 7:34am
first step would be spending a year seeking out and hiring some of the world's finest and most innovative engineers and designers to completely rethink the possibilities with chassis, linkage, suspension, and body work. then determine the feasibility of building a radical MX machine that actually looks like we'd have expected in 2020, had you'd asked us in 1993.
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11/18/2019 8:19am Edited Date/Time 11/18/2019 8:21am
SLAPAHO wrote:
Ramp up the E-bike production, build E-bike parks with beginner tracks and full blown moto track... have lots of public ride days to introduce bikes to...
Ramp up the E-bike production, build E-bike parks with beginner tracks and full blown moto track... have lots of public ride days to introduce bikes to the general public...
I’d combine this with ride days at known riding areas including the full spectrum of available Off Road bikes and even small quads (Honda’s line up, for example. There are little kids that’re much less scared or intimidated by being on 4 wheels).

I’d even bring adventure bikes.

Yesterday, at Hollister Hills State State Park (California/Bay Area), I saw quite a few “families”. It was AWESOME! Mom & Dad and the kids. As I was leaving, an Audi SUV pulled in: Dad & Grampa taking the kids out and teaching them to ride on a brand new CRF50 and KLX 110: the CRF was in the back of the SUV & the 110 was on a bike carrier.

Those are 2 examples of who and how we get our sport back on track.

This thread is a great discussion.
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11/18/2019 8:43am
I like the idea of a decent full sized play bike. Rode a friend’s gals Kaw 140 with full size wheels and had an old time fun afternoon on a grassy track with a little hill section some small bumps. The problem is finding these little places to ride that are so few and far between. I think after she rides this awhile she’ll want a 125 Mx or a small enduro bike but the missing ingredient is the riding space. I don’t know how any company or even consortium of companies (mfg, gear, aftermarket, ama) can put that together.
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11/18/2019 8:59am
Titan1 wrote:
Yes but built by one of the big four. It’s an image thing...it’s gotta have the name brand and the look. Gotta be able to walk...
Yes but built by one of the big four.

It’s an image thing...it’s gotta have the name brand and the look.

Gotta be able to walk into the Honda dealership, and see the $12k works edition, next to the standard F, next to a $5k bike. Consumer can take their pick...and rather than walk out with sticker shock, they walk out with a $5k bike.
Funny you mention Honda, they make a $4500 250F that's just like you describes. Looks like the MXers, fuel injected, decent suspension, e-start...



why aren't these bigger sellers?

I agree with your position and I'm just taking a devil's advocate approach here. IMO it all comes down to marketing and brand perception. The Big 4 and of course KTM all sell "performance" machines. They want to promote what they race and that is the best of the best they offer. Little promotion and effort goes into the entry level bikes (CRF-F, TTRs, etc) compared the the MILLIONS they spend pushing the $10k race bikes.
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11/18/2019 9:19am
show everybody how much trim dirt bike guys be getting. Your welcome
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11/18/2019 9:21am
I always thought it would be cool if you could go directly to the mfg “maybe website” and choose the type of suspension, colors, wheels, pipe, bars, etc and they build your bike to your spec and order and you pick up at the dealer when ready... the possibilities would be endless to customize.
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