Yamaha should really consider making a 300 two stroke enduro

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6/5/2019 9:11 AM

After seeing so many 300s at Erzberg and even more upcoming at Romaniacs you would think that, in an age of possibly declining bike sales, that a company like Yamaha would enter the 300 two stroke enduro scene. In Europe, the 300 is everywhere and especially at these hard enduro races. Also, in South Africa (The Roof) there are, again, a ton of 300s. And in South Africa Yamaha does have a strong presence. I know Blake Gutzuit was on a Yamaha YZ250 for all the extreme events last year but he's switched to a Husqvarna TE300i now.

I know none of the other Japanese bike brands will even come close to doing it but you would think it wouldn't be that hard for Yamaha and the return, especially in Europe, would be positive.

Just a thought. I've rode KTM (SX's for moto and XC-W's for enduro) for years but it would be cool to see another player in the enduro 300 two stroke market.

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6/5/2019 9:13 AM

They just had a press release for a 125. I think it just has softer suspension and a 6 speed wide ratio transmission... Or something like that.

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6/5/2019 9:28 AM

Or at least make a cylinder kit for the 250 or 250x like KTM does. No need to make another bike that’s 50cc bigger. The 250x is a great off-road bike already just make the optional cylinder kit you can buy.

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2011 Yamaha YZ 250 -MX
1996 Yamaha Banshee 350 -Trails
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6/5/2019 9:47 AM

We have 4 300s, 2 Orange and 2 White in the immediate family.
All have been trouble free including the 3 EFI models.

Out of all the Beta's, Gas Gas etc out there being bought also, there are alot of 300s around.

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6/5/2019 9:55 AM

Yamaha's 2 stroke design team
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6/5/2019 10:08 AM

eric513anderson wrote:

Or at least make a cylinder kit for the 250 or 250x like KTM does. No need to make another bike that’s 50cc bigger. The 250x ...more

There are a host of kits already available for the YZ250. Everyone who wants one has one.

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6/5/2019 10:16 AM

If yamaha just put an electric start on their 250x that alone would take a huge chunk out of the KTM/husky/beta/TM/gas gas 300 market.

Now if yamaha made an electric start YZ250X, with an optional 300 kit (dealer installed option) it would be a game changer.

I honestly feel like yamaha just doesnt want to redesign the YZ250 cases and cylinder because its a design thats been around since 2002 and their profit vs cost of design/manufacturing over the last 17 years is one of the major factors in why they continue to produce two strokes to begin with. (their return on investment is positive as of today in other words)

If yamaha put the R&D money into their two strokes like KTM has, yamaha would have gone done the honda/kawasaki/suzuki road to no more two strokes a long time ago.

With that said, Im looking at the new yamaha's and im so torn. I own a YZ250 I race off road (desert/GP's) and I want a 450FX, like BAD. I just can't bring myself to buy one because of the no kick starter option. Give me an electric starter, and a kick starter on either the YZ450FX or a YZ250/300 two stroke and I'll be a dealer tomorrow with cash ready to buy in full.

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6/5/2019 10:44 AM

I would consider giving a YZ 300 a try if they made one. I’ve owned a KTM and a Husky 300 and I’ll never go back to anything else. They really are the perfect bike for extreme enduro type of terrain.

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6/5/2019 10:45 AM

I have a 2016 YZ 250 x and love it, but was waiting for a new YZ 300 e start Yamaha. Nothing, bikes going up for sell and most likely buying a KTM 300.

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6/5/2019 10:52 AM

2stroked wrote:

If yamaha just put an electric start on their 250x that alone would take a huge chunk out of the KTM/husky/beta/TM/gas gas 300 ...more

Of course, there are kits for the 250s but with no estart it does lose some of it's appeal. There are plenty of situations at say Erzberg or Romaniacs that you are basically screwed without the button. I've seen Jarvis on a crazy incline, off the bike, pushing it up the hill and he hits the button and that alone gets him thru the section. Now sure, that is an extreme situation but I've always believed in just buying the right bike for the right situation not converting a wrong bike for the situation.

Granted, out of all the Japanese, Yamaha is the only one doing much offroad (along with Honda four strokes) but again, if they made a dedicated 300 enduro with e start, wide speed transmission, and all the bling of a KTM/Husky/Sherco/Beta/GasGas I do think it would be hugely successful as Yamaha has always been known for their reliability as well as a great motor and suspension.

Personally, I prefer the exotic brands but I thought it was worth discussion.

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6/5/2019 10:55 AM

Herb Eaversmells wrote:

I have a 2016 YZ 250 x and love it, but was waiting for a new YZ 300 e start Yamaha. Nothing, bikes going up for sell and most ...more

There you go. I'm sure you're not alone. It would make a difference if the bike was readily available like the European brands are.

For the record, my 2020 KTM XC-W 300 TPI is on order. My quest for Romaniacs begins. smile

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6/5/2019 11:01 AM

Inb4 the 325-kit guy gives his speech.

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6/5/2019 11:22 AM

SmokinJoe439 wrote:

Yamaha's 2 stroke design team
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The way things are going, at least they have a 2 stroke design team.

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6/5/2019 11:30 AM

Motofinne wrote:

Inb4 the 325-kit guy gives his speech.

Then promptly after, Derek Harris showing dynos of a mod 250 beating it.

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6/5/2019 11:58 AM
Edited Date/Time: 6/5/2019 12:02 PM

I ride an KTM 300 XCW and I love it,even have it plated for the street.I would consider a Yamaha 300 if it had wide ratio transmission,it's my dual sport and electric start,it's nice when I get my self stuck in a precarious position.But if they don't come out with one the KTM,Husky,Beta,Etc. would fit the bill.

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6/6/2019 12:52 AM

mikec265 wrote:

They just had a press release for a 125. I think it just has softer suspension and a 6 speed wide ratio transmission... Or ...more

Transmission is the same as the MX bike. Just different suspension and power delivery.

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6/6/2019 5:26 AM

eric513anderson wrote:

Or at least make a cylinder kit for the 250 or 250x like KTM does. No need to make another bike that’s 50cc bigger. The 250x ...more

Adam43 wrote:

There are a host of kits already available for the YZ250. Everyone who wants one has one.

Very true but I know there’s tons of people who would prefer a OEM Yamaha kit

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2011 Yamaha YZ 250 -MX
1996 Yamaha Banshee 350 -Trails
1982 Chevy S10
2005 Pontiac GTO -451rwhp

6/6/2019 6:15 AM

Kits are available but if people have to alter/Doctor a hike quite a bit they'll just go buy a Ktm or Husky. This is where having a true 300 enduro out of the crate would be a big hit.! Look at the numbers, especially in Europe. 300s are everywhere.

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6/6/2019 6:18 AM

Just get the Eddie-Sanders-Racing.com 325 kit and call it good

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6/6/2019 7:19 AM

There are so many good 300’s out there to choose from now not sure it matters if Yamaha makes one. KTM/Husky, Sherco, Gas Gas, Beta and TM.

We have the other blue brand with KYB suspension -TM. After living with the TM we’d go with them for a 250 MX bike too if that’s what we where in the market for.

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6/6/2019 8:08 AM

There is a place in the market for a ubiquitous, simple, yet versatile option and the older and wiser you become, the more you will appreciate that. Just look at the "small truck" thread and all the enthusiasm people have for "the basics".

You should be grateful that something different exists on the market. Not everyone likes what you like. I chose a YZ250 over a European 300. I know it might be hard to believe but there are others like me.

I ride MX and I ride some pretty crazy hike-a-bike shit too. The YZ may not be ideal in either scenario, but it's adequate in both. People like to talk shit about California but between the coastal mountain ranges, the Sierras and the desert, we have some legit terrain. Despite "only" having 250cc's I do fine. Although sometimes I stall and I have to kick start my bike (Gasp!!!!). Like most consumers, I am not racing hard enduros professionally.

Lastly, I have a strong appreciation for having vast parts resources, be it OEM, aftermarket, or even used and take-offs (eBay).

For every Kyle Redmond/Colton Haaker/Cody Webb/etc, there's a myriad of Tim Redmonds....(sorry for bad photo)

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6/6/2019 11:52 AM

It’s been the better part of two decades since any Japanese manufacturer took off-road/enduro seriously.

Very hard to see them doing anything different now.

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6/6/2019 11:56 AM

mx_563 wrote:

There is a place in the market for a ubiquitous, simple, yet versatile option and the older and wiser you become, the more you ...more

Thank you! 100% agree!

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6/6/2019 12:10 PM

Per the Yamaha rep I talked to KTM/Husky sell less than a 1000 of the 300’s each year. Which I find hard to believe, but if this is true, then why even bother with an entirely new bike.

OEM Cylinder, Powervalve, and head upgrade for current YZ Owners. Count me in....

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6/6/2019 1:13 PM

Premix wrote:

Per the Yamaha rep I talked to KTM/Husky sell less than a 1000 of the 300’s each year. Which I find hard to believe, but if ...more

Wow, If those numbers are world wide that is very depressing for the motorcycle market in general.That would be bad if those are US numbers. I would have thought it to be much higher.Shows what I know.

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6/6/2019 1:16 PM

Premix wrote:

Per the Yamaha rep I talked to KTM/Husky sell less than a 1000 of the 300’s each year. Which I find hard to believe, but if ...more

Yeah, I find that hard to believe. The amount of 300s at Erzberg and even more so at Romaniacs would be close to that number as most are orange and white, especially orange.

Of coursr, not are all new bikes but you do see a lot of them current models. That's not counting Extreme XL Lagares, Roof of Africa where 300s dominate. Eurotek said they can't get enough of the EXC (Xc-w) 300s.

MIT only do people purchase them but there are a lot of bike rentals for these races.

Maybe just 1000 in the US, but def not in Europe, I wouldn't think.

But hey, I might be wrong. But I bet Europe sells more 300s than the US sells 450s.

Maybe someone here can chime in.

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6/6/2019 2:30 PM
Edited Date/Time: 6/6/2019 2:36 PM

mx_563 wrote:

There is a place in the market for a ubiquitous, simple, yet versatile option and the older and wiser you become, the more you ...more

I’ve been trying for a few years now to figure out what issue of Dirt Bike that article was in... thanks! Was it just that one page, or was there more to it?

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6/6/2019 2:44 PM

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6/6/2019 2:45 PM

Moto Mofo wrote:

I’ve been trying for a few years now to figure out what issue of Dirt Bike that article was in... thanks! Was it just that one ...more

It was just that one page, it was at the end of a "Project YZ" article.

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6/6/2019 3:13 PM
Edited Date/Time: 6/6/2019 3:33 PM

Premix wrote:

Per the Yamaha rep I talked to KTM/Husky sell less than a 1000 of the 300’s each year. Which I find hard to believe, but if ...more

KTM sold 1,052 300s in Australia alone in 2018... It is their #1 selling engine configuration worldwide. The Yamaha rep was blowing smoke up your you know what...

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