Yamaha Pulls Out of DAKAR and FIM Rally Series

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Edited Date/Time 2/22/2022 2:24pm


Doesn't seem like they see value racing it anymore. Wonder if other manufacturers are starting to feel the same way? Wonder where that leaves Shorty?

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2/18/2022 2:12am
Yeah that’s a shame, they had been going well.
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2/18/2022 2:20am Edited Date/Time 2/18/2022 3:55am
I mean when the prizemoney for win is less than entry fee... and is ran by monkeys making their own rules on the go (like 24hrs LeMans) and playing heavy favors to factory riders... then maybe it was doomed from the start. Shame Yami is pulling the plug but Dakar is not a fair game.




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2/18/2022 3:50am
We are all loosing interest for Dakar. Not sure what the solution could be but this is not what it used to be.
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2/18/2022 4:13am
Dakar is dead.

It doesn't even go to Dakar!

IMO, rename it, and do on a different continent every year, making it more international.

Do one gnarly one out west here in the US, up through the dunes of Utah and the gnarly mountains to the salt flats pinned to the Nevada deserts.

Have one in Chile (again) and Brazil and Thailand and China and Australia.

Just move to new challenging local, one that can garner a great deal of local interest that creates new followers and fans

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ferrys123 wrote:
We are all loosing interest for Dakar. Not sure what the solution could be but this is not what it used to be.
Unfortunately it doesn't package well for television.
The 30-60 minute segments we get every night during it's running, are nothing more than highlight reels, and the dreaded backstories.

I followed on the dakar YouTube channel.
It wasn't much better.

Another case of, it's a helluvan event to compete in.
But not so much to spectate.
Although the scenery is incredible.
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2/18/2022 5:09am
You guys are fuckin high. I’ve seen more coverage and interest in Dakar in the last 5 years than I had in the 20 prior combined.
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2/18/2022 7:17am Edited Date/Time 2/18/2022 7:58am
ferrys123 wrote:
We are all loosing interest for Dakar. Not sure what the solution could be but this is not what it used to be.
Unfortunately it doesn't package well for television. The 30-60 minute segments we get every night during it's running, are nothing more than highlight reels, and the...
Unfortunately it doesn't package well for television.
The 30-60 minute segments we get every night during it's running, are nothing more than highlight reels, and the dreaded backstories.

I followed on the dakar YouTube channel.
It wasn't much better.

Another case of, it's a helluvan event to compete in.
But not so much to spectate.
Although the scenery is incredible.
Go watch Lyndon Poskitt prep for and race the Malle Moto class in 2018, that was truly a fascinating look into racing Dakar all on your own that you can still watch on youtube (Races to Places). IMO it runs right up there with the first Long Way Round movie with Ewin McGregor and Charlie Boorman.
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2/18/2022 8:18am
Shame to see them leave. Now my hopes of buying a production WR450Rally from the dealership truly are dead.
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2/18/2022 8:32am
Such a shame to see them leave Dakar and rally. Since 1978 this has been at the heart of Yamaha off-road program. They wrote history on the Dakar.
The Ténéré and their adventure bike segment is built on the rally races. Such a shame.
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flarider wrote:
Dakar is dead. It doesn't even go to Dakar! IMO, rename it, and do on a different continent every year, making it more international. Do one...
Dakar is dead.

It doesn't even go to Dakar!

IMO, rename it, and do on a different continent every year, making it more international.

Do one gnarly one out west here in the US, up through the dunes of Utah and the gnarly mountains to the salt flats pinned to the Nevada deserts.

Have one in Chile (again) and Brazil and Thailand and China and Australia.

Just move to new challenging local, one that can garner a great deal of local interest that creates new followers and fans

Dakar and rally raids racing is far from dead. Might be in the US but coverage is as big as ever in Europe, it’s on national tv news and has more coverage nowadays thanks to social media and red bull than ever before.
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2/18/2022 8:43am
I've only been following Dakar for the last two years, but since discovering the Dakar Rally Daily podcast, I've been way more invested.

Organizers may be bogus, but the racing is still incredible. Maybe I'm in the minority, but it seems that podcast continues to grow in popularity.
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I mean when the prizemoney for win is less than entry fee... and is ran by monkeys making their own rules on the go (like 24hrs...
I mean when the prizemoney for win is less than entry fee... and is ran by monkeys making their own rules on the go (like 24hrs LeMans) and playing heavy favors to factory riders... then maybe it was doomed from the start. Shame Yami is pulling the plug but Dakar is not a fair game.




Interesting, can you elaborate on this or send links to further reading.
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flarider wrote:
Dakar is dead. It doesn't even go to Dakar! IMO, rename it, and do on a different continent every year, making it more international. Do one...
Dakar is dead.

It doesn't even go to Dakar!

IMO, rename it, and do on a different continent every year, making it more international.

Do one gnarly one out west here in the US, up through the dunes of Utah and the gnarly mountains to the salt flats pinned to the Nevada deserts.

Have one in Chile (again) and Brazil and Thailand and China and Australia.

Just move to new challenging local, one that can garner a great deal of local interest that creates new followers and fans

Shenzi wrote:
Dakar and rally raids racing is far from dead. Might be in the US but coverage is as big as ever in Europe, it’s on national...
Dakar and rally raids racing is far from dead. Might be in the US but coverage is as big as ever in Europe, it’s on national tv news and has more coverage nowadays thanks to social media and red bull than ever before.
Hey Shenzi, I meant in name.

In spirit it lives, of course, but it needs a makeover.

Calling it Dakar when it no longer goes to Dakar is silly.

Also, if it travelled, like F1 and others, it'll gain more fans.
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2/18/2022 10:12am Edited Date/Time 2/18/2022 10:16am
Their 'product' is completely misaligned with the Dakar race bike (WR450 and Tenere) so they bungled the off-road sales boom by not having a product ready for their customers.

Energy drinks are cutting back on sponsorship of motorsports so they were basically going to be left to fund the whole racing program. Complete lack of corporate understanding or interest in this segment and a squeeze from lack of funding.

Makes total sense that Yamaha is done with desert racing.

The Dakar and World CC Rally and their athletes are incredible. Corporate Yamaha, not so much ...
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Their 'product' is completely misaligned with the Dakar race bike (WR450 and Tenere) so they bungled the off-road sales boom by not having a product ready...
Their 'product' is completely misaligned with the Dakar race bike (WR450 and Tenere) so they bungled the off-road sales boom by not having a product ready for their customers.

Energy drinks are cutting back on sponsorship of motorsports so they were basically going to be left to fund the whole racing program. Complete lack of corporate understanding or interest in this segment and a squeeze from lack of funding.

Makes total sense that Yamaha is done with desert racing.

The Dakar and World CC Rally and their athletes are incredible. Corporate Yamaha, not so much ...
Honda doesnt sell a Dakar race bike neither, KTM brands neither. If there was a 450 Honda Dakar or KTM I would have bought one.
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I mean when the prizemoney for win is less than entry fee... and is ran by monkeys making their own rules on the go (like 24hrs...
I mean when the prizemoney for win is less than entry fee... and is ran by monkeys making their own rules on the go (like 24hrs LeMans) and playing heavy favors to factory riders... then maybe it was doomed from the start. Shame Yami is pulling the plug but Dakar is not a fair game.




Would you mind expanding on that?

I’ve heard a few mention this when talking shop but I never got any of dirty specifics/stories.
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They need the money for MotoGP there champion will walk otherwise
I think your spot on the money here, a lot of the other manufacturers have cut budgets in their other forms of racing to bolster their motoGP budgets. I’m guessing they see more value for their money there.
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2/19/2022 12:34am
Eh I personally never found it interesting, same as Endurocross, the Erzberg Rodeo, trials, or Enduro racing. They all just seem miserable and destroy your bike in all kinds of ways. Since I have to pay to repair everything myself now, MX and Cross Country are much more appealing to me.
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The whole ethos of the adventure bike, came out of the original proper Dakar, but people realised that a Honda Africa Twin , or a Super Tenere were fucking awful road bikes , and even worse off road.

And they were too big and dangerous

Fast forward to now , and the Dakar is run round some rich guy's back yard, and the bike buying public cant buy great big adventure bikes fast enough, because now they grasp the concept that you have to actually go on an adventure to make them worth having .

So not a single $$ of money thrown at the 450 Rally Bike , is any use to the brand for R&D , and even though they spend gazillions of $$ on the event, the fuckwits in charge make it all about ' tyre conservation' , so it becomes a total farce, and manufacturers have to go back to their shareholders and explain why a $10m investment went to shit for the sake of a rule that stops you putting a $300 tyre on a bike every day .

I stopped watching Dakar when it moved from South America, and while that move wasnt great , it saved the event, and still encompassed the ethos of Thierry Sabine's original race.

Expect Honda to follow suit.

KTM will stay , because they sell shit loads of bikes off it , whatever happens.




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2/19/2022 7:49am
This is odd considering the Adventure bike market is so huge. No idea why they wouldn't be promoting the heck out of the Tenere brand and image.
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This is odd considering the Adventure bike market is so huge. No idea why they wouldn't be promoting the heck out of the Tenere brand and...
This is odd considering the Adventure bike market is so huge. No idea why they wouldn't be promoting the heck out of the Tenere brand and image.
Promote Tenere brand with Dakar series where they don't race with Tenere? I don't think it is a good idea... We probably won't find out the real reasons why they are abandoning the series.
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2/19/2022 10:00am
They are going to put the bike money into the UTV program with the YXZ1000's.

The MFG's are getting Toyota Corolla Hatchback prices out of stupid simple dune buggies and everybody with two nickels to rub together thinks they have to have one. It's better than selling crack.

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2/19/2022 11:39am
I think the writing was on the wall for a few years that yamaha would have to build a purpose built dakar bike like honda and the austrians did to truly be competitive. It seemed like using the production WR frame and engine cases caused some weight and reliability issues when packing on all the fuel and equipment required for dakar.
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You guys are fuckin high. I’ve seen more coverage and interest in Dakar in the last 5 years than I had in the 20 prior combined.
This.

Seems like there is more coverage than ever.
Even here on vital it gets more attention than ever.

Car manufacturers are putting in huge amounts, big names from other disciplines are racing it when they can.

Dakar is fine.

I hope Shorty gets another spot on a solid team, I loved hearing his passion whenever he is on the Pulp show.
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Sunnyside wrote:
I think the writing was on the wall for a few years that yamaha would have to build a purpose built dakar bike like honda and...
I think the writing was on the wall for a few years that yamaha would have to build a purpose built dakar bike like honda and the austrians did to truly be competitive. It seemed like using the production WR frame and engine cases caused some weight and reliability issues when packing on all the fuel and equipment required for dakar.
what's the difference between the Yamaha Dakar-built YZF and the Honda Dakar-built CRF? All same MX-base for Dakar-purpose built bikes, no?
2/20/2022 8:04am
Sunnyside wrote:
I think the writing was on the wall for a few years that yamaha would have to build a purpose built dakar bike like honda and...
I think the writing was on the wall for a few years that yamaha would have to build a purpose built dakar bike like honda and the austrians did to truly be competitive. It seemed like using the production WR frame and engine cases caused some weight and reliability issues when packing on all the fuel and equipment required for dakar.
Shenzi wrote:
what's the difference between the Yamaha Dakar-built YZF and the Honda Dakar-built CRF? All same MX-base for Dakar-purpose built bikes, no?
The Honda is an HRC built race bike that as far as I know is unavailable to outside racers. For example the engine is a dohc design with larger bore and shorter stroke than the mx bikes, and runs a 6 speed transmission. I believe there is quite a bit of electronic wizardy going on to alter the riding experince for terrain and fuel load etc.

The ktm is a dedicated limited production rally bike with trellis style perimeter frame built to be as compact as possible.

The Yamaha is based on the standard Wr450 with an extended swingarm for stability and all the rally bits tacked on. I'd describe it as a factory modified bike as opposed to a rally designed race bike.
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This is the same shit that killed supermoto too... loads of big european bikes to choose from, all made far more power than they needed to, for relatively little effort, then the japs come along and want it to be 450 so they can play, fuck the while thing up, and then piss off after 2 years , cos the sport is on its arse cos a 5 hour $10000 motor is out of the reach of 95% of people in the sport.

Sport dies.

They should let them run production based adventure bikes, with a rev limit and a restrictor, so they can sell what they are racing.

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