YZ125 or YZ250?

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I know this topic has been discussed more than Bush and Obama have been criticised combined, but none of what I was reading is doing it for me. Each bike has its advantages and disadvantages that I qualify for. I am an 18 year old, 5'10", 180lb novice/intermediate rider. I only race, no trail riding. I've raced my 07 YZ250F for about two years now in the novice class and I'm beginning to actually progress. In the first two races this year I outright smoked the novice class, so the president of the club is making me move up to intermediate. I believe I'm fairly quick on my 250f; I've gotten to the point where I feel that the bike is under total control at all times. In races, I'm usually ringing out my bike pretty good, and I *almost* have whipping down. Based off of just that, most of you will automatically suggest the 250, but there is a caveat: it's also my riding style. I jumped on a Kawi 450 one time at that track and I felt like I had just jumped on a bike for my first time ever. It had such amazing throttle response and power that I nearly whisky throttled myself into berms on multiple occasions. It goes without saying that I kind of got pulled back toward my slower bike like a magnet. I like to ride in the high rpm's all the time. The combination of the facts that my 250F has never been jetted correctly (makes no power in the low end) and that it has hotcams that improve the power in high rpm's has made me develop a habit of riding in the higher rpm's, just like a 2-stroke. I am being pulled towards a 125 for that reason only. I know that the minute I jump on that 125 I'm gonna be able to control that just as well as my 250F. I'll be ringin it out right off the bat. At the same time, I'm being pulled towards a 250 because dropping down to a slightly smaller bike power wise just doesnt make sense. I ask myself if I'll even be able to progress any more on a 125. I've never ridden a 125 or a 250; I jumped from an 85 up to a 250F. That 85 is the reason I prefer 2-strokes. I just love that little thing, it always starts on a dime, its still amazingly fun to put around on, etc. It's all for the fun factor. I know I could probably make better lap times on a 250F but thats not what I'm going for here.

Also, the reason I'm even changing bikes is not a power issue but a reliability issue. My ol' 250F is getting pretty clapped out. It's a serious pain to start and I'm beginning to learn more and more that I am just not into this whole 4-stroke maintenance bullcrap. I can barely afford gas for my damn car and having to shim the valves on this thing all the time is driving me insane. I know the ins and outs of a 4 stroke motor by heart simply because half the time I'm fixing my bike rather than riding it. I rebuilt the entire motor shortly after buying it.

Anyway, what's your opinion on this?
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6/8/2014 2:03pm
I would get a 250 honestly. I'm about 15 pounds heavier then you and after getting on my 450 I'll never buy a 250f again. Just felt too sluggish. And you can always get a heavier flywight if you want to mellow it out.
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6/8/2014 2:07pm
Tough call. I would say since you're racing go for the 125. If you were just going to free ride I would of said go for the 250 because I'm a believer in that I'd rather have the power and not use it rather than not have enough but since you are racing you need something you can manage. If you get bored, which you might at your height and weight, on the 125 just sell it.
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6/8/2014 2:53pm
Well, how do your race classes work? Can you race the YZ250 against the 250F's ? If so, go for the YZ250. Because racing a 125 against a bunch of 250F's will have you kicking yourself in the ass looking for more power.

Also, if you ride a 125 all the time as your only bike for practicing and racing be prepared to become an expert at top ends and clutches because you will be replacing them frequently. Especially if you wring it out constantly with 180lb on it.

You might be able to get away with stock springs on the YZ250 but I can pretty much guarantee you won't on the YZ125.

Also, the 125 burns a lot more race gas and 2-stroke oil than the 250 does since you are constantly WFO on it. Trust me.

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6/8/2014 4:05pm
Due to your cost requirements, I'd vote 250. It'll go through tires,chains and sprockets quicker, but everything else the 125 will wear through faster.

Just as you learned to wind the crap out of your 250F, you can learn to ride in the meat of the power on any bike.
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6/8/2014 5:11pm
Get the 250 put a 14 oz fly wheel on it , you will not notice a huge diffrence untill you turn it then , the big smile will come across your face , if you get the 125 you will be making it a144 in no time
6/8/2014 6:29pm
If you truely want low maintenance you want the 250. The 125 will not be less maintenance.

Even still, if you are frequently racing, any bike will require somewhat frequent maintenance. It is part if the lifestyle
6/8/2014 6:30pm
2015 Ktm250sx . i had a 06 yz250 n paid $5200 for it. I refuse to pay $2400 more for a 15, yz with a $300 update plastic kit. Thats me to each there own
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6/8/2014 6:54pm
drop like 10#s,race the 125.fun.factor.
85cc to a 250f and you missed all the fun and flick ability of a light 125?
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6/8/2014 9:09pm
If you're set on riding Blue then I'd go YZ250 2006 or newer. On a related note the KTM sure is a great option. But a spendy one.
6/8/2014 9:33pm
125

You will learn the key to momentum, 250f will bust your ass on the exit of corners vs. 125. Unless you learn how to enter faster.

After you grasp momentum, get a 250 or 450 you will be exponentially faster.
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10/30/2015 10:52am
I could not be more qualified to answer your question........

My son is 15, 6'1", 155 lbs. We have 2 YZ125s, one stock and one modded to the gills. We also have 2 YZ250s, One stock and the other with pipe and silencer only.

I bough him a 250F last year and barely rode and we sold it to keep riding the 2 smokes.

My suggestion is this, get a YZ250 2stroke, leave is stock and put a flywheel weight on it, around the 10oz size. This will mellow out the hit but still have great power and live happily ever after.

Stock 125s are great but the power is easily outgrown. If you mod it to make it faster, it takes a bunch of money and they are great and fun but again, in a year, you will be needing more power as your skill progresses.

So go with the stock 250 and add a flywheel weight. This really takes the "bark" out of this motor but does not loose much power. It will make it controllable, even for a beginner, and it is a bike you can grow your skill level with. There is no real difference in top end repair so it is easy to redo yourself but the 250 is slightly more complex on the bottom end, but still pretty easy once you learn how to do it.

STOCK YZ250 with a 10 (+) oz flywheel weight.
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10/30/2015 10:59am
I forgot. My son pretty much outgrew the 125 in 2 seasons (12-14 yrs old , now switching exclusively to the 250. The 125s are just not enough for his size and the mod bike has a $2000 JMS motor.

Also, Since you are asking about size of bikes and not who builds them, apply that theory to any brand you want (I swear some people cannot stay on topic and use every minute to force their opinions on you)

Always remember, the best brand of bike is the one YOU OWN
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10/30/2015 11:18am
MotoX85 wrote:
I forgot. My son pretty much outgrew the 125 in 2 seasons (12-14 yrs old , now switching exclusively to the 250. The 125s are just...
I forgot. My son pretty much outgrew the 125 in 2 seasons (12-14 yrs old , now switching exclusively to the 250. The 125s are just not enough for his size and the mod bike has a $2000 JMS motor.

Also, Since you are asking about size of bikes and not who builds them, apply that theory to any brand you want (I swear some people cannot stay on topic and use every minute to force their opinions on you)

Always remember, the best brand of bike is the one YOU OWN
Thanks for the information. I should have also noted that I have a 15 yz250f as my main bike. I grew up riding 2 strokes so I am aware of the power and different riding style. At age 32 my speed is my speed and the 2nd bike is more for fun. 125 or 250 would be kept mostly stock for reliability.

Back to my original question. Does that 125 seem like a good deal at 2k? To me it seems like 500-800 below what it could go for. If this is true I can purchase the bike and ride it for a year then sell it and not lose too much money. That is if I don't fall in love with it and just decide to keep it.
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10/30/2015 11:53am
I'm 13 years old, 120lbs. And 5 ft. 8 in. And I have been on a 125 for almost a year. I'm not to the point of it holding me back powerwise but if I was your size and had your riding style it probably would.I would be on a 250 because of the reasons previous posters have stated.just my two cents,both are great bikes.
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10/30/2015 12:19pm
Get a 250. You can always de-tune it (take away some of the hit) with a flywheel weight.
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10/30/2015 12:25pm
Get the 250 put a 14 oz fly wheel on it , you will not notice a huge diffrence untill you turn it then , the...
Get the 250 put a 14 oz fly wheel on it , you will not notice a huge diffrence untill you turn it then , the big smile will come across your face , if you get the 125 you will be making it a144 in no time
Truth..

Easier to make a 250 rideable than a 125 fast.

We have a 300 with a flywheel weight and it is like an electric motor.
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I'm 225 and while I do enjoy riding the 125 more while trail riding or on a flat mx track, and sand or elevation at all and I'm craving more power.
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10/30/2015 2:39pm Edited Date/Time 10/30/2015 2:41pm
I appreciate all the information, guys, but did any of you bother to look at the date this thread was started? I was the OP and I've had my 250 for two years now. A TC 250, though. Ha!

Unless this is all in response to panic rev. In that case.. way to hijack!
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10/30/2015 2:43pm
I appreciate all the information, guys, but did any of you bother to look at the date this thread was started? I was the OP and...
I appreciate all the information, guys, but did any of you bother to look at the date this thread was started? I was the OP and I've had my 250 for two years now. A TC 250, though. Ha!

Unless this is all in response to panic rev. In that case.. way to hijack!
Way to ruin it lol
What made you go with the Husky? Happy with your choice?
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10/30/2015 2:57pm Edited Date/Time 10/30/2015 2:58pm
I appreciate all the information, guys, but did any of you bother to look at the date this thread was started? I was the OP and...
I appreciate all the information, guys, but did any of you bother to look at the date this thread was started? I was the OP and I've had my 250 for two years now. A TC 250, though. Ha!

Unless this is all in response to panic rev. In that case.. way to hijack!
colintrax wrote:
Way to ruin it lol
What made you go with the Husky? Happy with your choice?
I am happy with my choice but I must say that even after two years of racing a two stroke, I still haven't fully adjusted to it. My endurance isn't there. I was able to race more confidently and with less fatigue on my 250 4-stroke, but as for actual speed, it's about the same on both bikes. I'm hoping I can improve my physical health this winter in preparation for racing next summer. At 20 years old, I should be able to handle this 250, and it's a significant grievance that my body seems to shut down after only a few laps of racing it.

I went with Husky because of price. Got it for $500 less than a new YZ250 after comparing prices at dealers. Yamaha wouldn't go down, either. Glad I went with Husky, it's a helluva bike. You Yamaha boys are really missing out on that hydraulic clutch, I'm tellin' ya. Haha!
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Ah, Jodphur. You'd have to try to find a more blown-out track than that one. Too bad it's all we've got up here!
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zehn wrote:
Ah, Jodphur. You'd have to try to find a more blown-out track than that one. Too bad it's all we've got up here!
Ya, it sucks. I'm truly tired of jodhpur at this point, and that's really saying something, considering that track alone has been what groomed me from a little 13 year old four wheeler riding kid to a 20 year old dirt bike racer. Been riding an almost unchanged track for seven years. I might be moving down to Washington here within the next year, though. Have to see how my education and finances pan out.
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10/30/2015 3:21pm Edited Date/Time 10/30/2015 3:22pm
Ya, it sucks. I'm truly tired of jodhpur at this point, and that's really saying something, considering that track alone has been what groomed me from...
Ya, it sucks. I'm truly tired of jodhpur at this point, and that's really saying something, considering that track alone has been what groomed me from a little 13 year old four wheeler riding kid to a 20 year old dirt bike racer. Been riding an almost unchanged track for seven years. I might be moving down to Washington here within the next year, though. Have to see how my education and finances pan out.
Oh believe me, you're preaching to the choir on that one. It's gotten to the point that I almost never ride because that track is so frustrating, with all the rocks, huge holes, goons, quads, all of it. I've always thought that it's a pretty sketchy place to ride, and I can never gain much confidence or speed because I'm always fighting the track.

Back in the 70s when my dad started racing there, it was a great sand track apparently. 40+ years of wind and traffic have caused that place to basically deteriorate into what it is now, which is a shame.

I long for the day I can ride in SoCal on a quality track. I would ride so much more, enjoy it more, and I can't help but feel that it would increase my speed a lot.
10/30/2015 4:10pm
I appreciate all the information, guys, but did any of you bother to look at the date this thread was started? I was the OP and...
I appreciate all the information, guys, but did any of you bother to look at the date this thread was started? I was the OP and I've had my 250 for two years now. A TC 250, though. Ha!

Unless this is all in response to panic rev. In that case.. way to hijack!
colintrax wrote:
Way to ruin it lol
What made you go with the Husky? Happy with your choice?
I am happy with my choice but I must say that even after two years of racing a two stroke, I still haven't fully adjusted to...
I am happy with my choice but I must say that even after two years of racing a two stroke, I still haven't fully adjusted to it. My endurance isn't there. I was able to race more confidently and with less fatigue on my 250 4-stroke, but as for actual speed, it's about the same on both bikes. I'm hoping I can improve my physical health this winter in preparation for racing next summer. At 20 years old, I should be able to handle this 250, and it's a significant grievance that my body seems to shut down after only a few laps of racing it.

I went with Husky because of price. Got it for $500 less than a new YZ250 after comparing prices at dealers. Yamaha wouldn't go down, either. Glad I went with Husky, it's a helluva bike. You Yamaha boys are really missing out on that hydraulic clutch, I'm tellin' ya. Haha!
Same deal I can do 45 minutes of very intense cardio and it's hard for me to do 15 minutes of Moto on my yz250. A 250f I can do lap after lap after lap with no issues. It's a sad reality, although I'm a 2 stroke junkie and am not hopping over anytime soon.
10/30/2015 4:41pm
YZ125 for sure. Ive owned both and Im in love with the 125. It does everything right, ive never ridden a better handling bike. I can stick that thing anywhere on the track because its so light and agile. 250 2 strokes wear me out kind of quick but I like riding them. Never liked 450s they feel weird to me. If you like ringing the crap out of a 250f I think youd like a 125. Theres no reason you cant be competitive on a 125 at the amateur level. My .02
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10/30/2015 4:46pm
I appreciate all the information, guys, but did any of you bother to look at the date this thread was started? I was the OP and...
I appreciate all the information, guys, but did any of you bother to look at the date this thread was started? I was the OP and I've had my 250 for two years now. A TC 250, though. Ha!

Unless this is all in response to panic rev. In that case.. way to hijack!
colintrax wrote:
Way to ruin it lol
What made you go with the Husky? Happy with your choice?
I am happy with my choice but I must say that even after two years of racing a two stroke, I still haven't fully adjusted to...
I am happy with my choice but I must say that even after two years of racing a two stroke, I still haven't fully adjusted to it. My endurance isn't there. I was able to race more confidently and with less fatigue on my 250 4-stroke, but as for actual speed, it's about the same on both bikes. I'm hoping I can improve my physical health this winter in preparation for racing next summer. At 20 years old, I should be able to handle this 250, and it's a significant grievance that my body seems to shut down after only a few laps of racing it.

I went with Husky because of price. Got it for $500 less than a new YZ250 after comparing prices at dealers. Yamaha wouldn't go down, either. Glad I went with Husky, it's a helluva bike. You Yamaha boys are really missing out on that hydraulic clutch, I'm tellin' ya. Haha!
Ha! You husky guys are really missing out on that SSS suspensionLaughing
10/30/2015 8:06pm
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I want one of those huskys soo bad!

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