Would You Like a Rule That Eliminated Some Lapped Riders?

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11/3/2013 11:13 AM

This is obviously just bench racing, but the question came to me last night:

In the interest of safety, does SX need a rule that would systematically black flag riders that are essentially out of the race?
There comes a point in every SX race where the leaders are forced to negotiate a track filled with moving chicanes. At that point, these backmarkers are nothing more than a dangerous interference. Sure, they do add some excitement, but I hate seing a third party effect the outcome of a fierce battle.



The rule could read something like this:

Riders are eliminated when:
1. They are lapped twice by the leader, or
2. They are the last active rider on the track one lap down, after ten laps have been completed.

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11/3/2013 11:18 AM

No. SX is fine. Traffic is part of racing. Year over yea growth is exploding with SX, they need to find a way for more racing, not less.

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11/3/2013 11:18 AM

No.

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11/3/2013 11:19 AM

Btw, these guys can't remember to take the joker lane, you think they'll be able to remember they're 1 or 2 laps down, or when they've hit 10 laps?

Racers race, bystanders sit around and make up odd situations to argue about.

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2012 CRF250R #946



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11/3/2013 11:21 AM

Socket946 wrote:

Btw, these guys can't remember to take the joker lane, you think they'll be able to remember they're 1 or 2 laps down, or when ...more

Have you seen a black flag before?

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11/3/2013 11:21 AM

What good would it do if the lapper was black flagged, After the leader went by?

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11/3/2013 11:23 AM

RonSkj wrote:

What good would it do if the lapper was black flagged, After the leader went by?

There are often riders that are +8 seconds a lap slower than the leaders that often end up being lapped multiple times.

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11/3/2013 11:26 AM

RonSkj wrote:

What good would it do if the lapper was black flagged, After the leader went by?

I don't think keeping the lappers out of the leader's way is the goal.

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11/3/2013 11:59 AM

There's also the issue of sponsorship exposure. Not sure how effective it is in reality but if I were a team sponsor and my rider made the top 20, I'd prefer he be out there for the whole race. It's also a good opportunity for those riders who have made the main to get better, even if they're well off the top tier pace. Interesting concept but all in all I would leave things as they are.

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11/3/2013 12:20 PM

Nah, keep them out there. It's a part of the sport.

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11/3/2013 12:28 PM

HenryA wrote:

Nah, keep them out there. It's a part of the sport.

Like concussions.

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11/3/2013 12:54 PM

can you give an example of the safety issue you speak of?

1.) usually when they are lapped twice by the leader they are aware that they are in the way and move over accordingly

2.) lap 11 rider x tips over and gets up in last. is he allowed to make up the positions he has lost?

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11/3/2013 12:58 PM

No

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11/3/2013 1:06 PM

Terrible idea, Those moving pylons are the very best and are still racing for the 9th and 8th position even thought the 1st place rider past them.

How would you systematically say: Ok your in 20th and about to pass 19th and 18th (on there ass, almost touching the rear wheel with the front) but they black flag you in 20th because the leader has lapped you 2 or 3 times??. 1. That screws you out of more money from sponsors and the pay out. and B. ends your race when you could have done your personal best.

Sorry man, you line up to race and are in it till the end.

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11/3/2013 1:48 PM

No to the OP's question.

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11/3/2013 1:49 PM

Nope and I think the powers that be agree...hell they're adding a couple lappers this season. Besides it's fun listening to the leaders complain about them after the race. smile

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11/3/2013 1:52 PM

Hell no!

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11/3/2013 2:00 PM

No

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11/3/2013 2:20 PM

No way

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11/3/2013 2:27 PM

Must have been a Dungey fan that thought up a rule like that. laughing
I vote NO!

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11/3/2013 2:27 PM

No. If they did that every race, there would be some instances where more than one rider sees that black flag. It would cause a lot of confusion and anger if a guy thought he was black flagged when he really wasn't.

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11/3/2013 2:30 PM

Hut wrote:

Must have been a Dungey fan that thought up a rule like that. laughing
I vote NO!

Or someone that doesn't put a lot of thought into something?

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11/3/2013 2:39 PM

No....The best riders also have the best bikes. Just a set of front and rear tires that are exclusively given to factory teams should be enough to lap a few riders. All the racers earned their place in the field. I could somewhat agree with the idea if all the bikes were competitive with each other.

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11/3/2013 2:40 PM
Edited Date/Time: 11/3/2013 2:42 PM

Lapped riders have affected the outcome of far too many races

The last thing needed, In my opinion, was to add two additional riders to the 450 main.

At the Monster Cup the additional riders made virtually no impact because the track is so much longer than normal in addition to the fact that the number of laps is cut in half.

With some regular SX track lap times dipping under the 45 second mark, it's about to get even more crowded out there.

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11/3/2013 2:46 PM

I'd like a rule to eliminate this thead

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11/3/2013 2:57 PM

I'd rather they allocated 6 rounds of the series, including the penultimate round, to be a 2 race main format, 2 ten lappers, that paid double points and the heat race gate picks were allocated from reverse qualifying order

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Cheers, Crush
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11/3/2013 3:00 PM

Crush wrote:

I'd rather they allocated 6 rounds of the series, including the penultimate round, to be a 2 race main format, 2 ten lappers, ...more

That's a pretty good idea IMO, it'd add something to to the mix for sure!

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11/3/2013 3:03 PM

You must be enjoying that legal dope in Colorado way too much.

Using your rules that you suggested at most races over half the starting gate for the main would be given the black flag. That is all I want to see is a race where the top 5 riders are riding around in circles with no racing what so ever. The lappers put some excitement into the race as they can become the spoiler and allow a last minute change in the order at the top.

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11/3/2013 3:13 PM

does it also mean,spectators that are tired and not still cheering have to leave the stadium? even though,in their heart,they want to stay to the end?

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11/3/2013 4:01 PM

No

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