Will the big 4 ever make a 350?

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2/26/2018 6:09 PM

I’ve always wondered this since Ktm and husky have been so successful with the 350 since it came out. I’ve personally had. ‘17 350 and thought it was the best bike I’d ever ridden and would be pumped if Honda, Yamaha, Suzuki or Kawi all had one what racing might be like, but I don’t want to go down that rabbit hole.

What got me thinking about it again was I was reading the December 2017 issue of Dirtbike Magazine and the 2018 Ktm 350sxf. They wrote “right now, KTM and it’s blood brother Husqvarna produce the only 350s, but that WILL change”. Is that subtle foreshadowing or maybe just a guess statement from them? And would anyone Switch to a 350 if their favorite mfg made one?

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2/26/2018 6:42 PM

The fact they havent shows they're asleep at the wheel.

I love my husky 350 easily the perfect bike for me

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2/26/2018 6:43 PM

It was 2010 or 2011 when ktm introd the 350 and if im not mistaken its their most popular size sales wise

Its an amazing bike.

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2/26/2018 6:44 PM

I think a Husky 350 will be my next bike when the ‘19s come out.

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2/26/2018 6:44 PM

Bruneval wrote:

I think a Husky 350 will be my next bike when the ‘19s come out.

Do it.

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2/26/2018 6:47 PM

They really are the perfect bike I think. More than enough power and super light. I hope what dirtbike wrote is true and the other manufacturers step up but will they be 5 years behind Ktm when/if they do come out or are they learning as Ktm does all the R&D?

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2/26/2018 6:48 PM

If I had to bet on which 4 would make one. It would be Yamaha for sure.

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2/26/2018 6:56 PM

Switched to a 15 350 sxf a while back and I love it. My next bike will be an 18 husky. I don’t understand how the big 4 don’t see the market share they’re loosing. Tons of vet riders that actually purchase new bikes love the middle cc bike. I’d love to see Yamaha or Honda build a vet bike.

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2/26/2018 7:04 PM

Buy a 1998 Yz 400.

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2/26/2018 7:12 PM

All the threads lately about injuries and, justin starling making the main on a 250 last week and the 250 sx often running just as quick or sometimes quicker lap times has me thinking the 450s may start to be working against themselves. We’ve heard from guys like barcia saying that the jgr 450 was a bit too much indoors and out, cairoli proved that the 350 could win in the gps. We basically can all come to the conclusion that everyone rides a 450 because it’s a “marketing tool for the premier class”. Yes they may initially be at a disadvantage early in a race but most amateurs and vets I know benefit from a smaller bike and haven’t met anyone who doesn’t like the 350. Unfortunately a lot of people feel just because they don’t have the biggest and fastest bike made, they are at a disadvantage.

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2/26/2018 7:12 PM

I personally doubt it, I'm sure the 350s are awesome bikes but it's a bit of a niche bike within a niche market, if that makes any sense. I feel like most people will want to get the most bang for their buck, which on paper is a 450.

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2/26/2018 7:20 PM

Lol. A 350?
They won't even produce a dual sport from this century.

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2/26/2018 7:23 PM

I would be first in line for a Yamaha 350

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2/26/2018 7:28 PM

Yamaha will do it. And I’ll buy one.

Next year when the yz250f gets e-start it may become the best mx bike available.

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2/26/2018 7:30 PM

Another avenue a 350 opens up is the off-road market that they are missing out on. Most 350s I see for sale are XCF models. On the east coast with more single track and woodsy riding a 450 Just about never necessary and that’s why I think you don’t see as many green, red and yellow bikes at gncc and enduros. The woods is where I think the 350 power plant shines almost as much as on the amateur mx circuit

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2/26/2018 7:33 PM

I think the Japanese manufacturers believe you should be thanking them for taking time out of their schedule of building cars, trains, and pianos to build you a dirtbike that is probably .1% of their overall revenue.

I wouldn't hold my breath. sad

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2/26/2018 7:37 PM

By the time they do the 3 guys that want one will have graduated to 450s or went down to 125 2 strokes

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2/26/2018 7:40 PM

I'm 58 and carrying many injuries, currently riding a modded 2011 RMZ450, I was thinking the big bike was too much for me; I rode a mates 2013 KTM350 the other day, maybe it needed a pipe or something, I was a little disappointed in the performance; no peak like a 250, just broad gutless power, no peaks or troughs. Got back on my 450 and loved it more.

If the Japs build one, I wonder if a peaky 250 type power is the go or make tractor type power? Personally I'm thinking that a 'de-stroke' of a 450 might work? The longer the stroke, the larger the flywheels, hence more gyroscopic mass to change directions. This is so noticeable when comparing a 600 to a 1000 on the roadrace track, bikes weigh basically the same but a 600 can change direction so much easier at speed; it's all physics.

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2/26/2018 7:45 PM

smashingpumpkins167 wrote:

I would be first in line for a Yamaha 350

I’d be right behind you! I would love a yz350

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2/26/2018 7:50 PM

It's the perfect engine size for most people and has a better effect on the chassis than a 450.

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2/26/2018 7:53 PM
Edited Date/Time: 2/26/2018 7:54 PM

Johnny89superbike wrote:

I'm 58 and carrying many injuries, currently riding a modded 2011 RMZ450, I was thinking the big bike was too much for me; I rode a mates 2013 KTM350 the other day, maybe it needed a pipe or something, I was a little disappointed in the performance; no peak like a 250, just broad gutless power, no peaks or troughs. Got back on my 450 and loved it more.

If the Japs build one, I wonder if a peaky 250 type power is the go or make tractor type power? Personally I'm thinking that a 'de-stroke' of a 450 might work? The longer the stroke, the larger the flywheels, hence more gyroscopic mass to change directions. This is so noticeable when comparing a 600 to a 1000 on the roadrace track, bikes weigh basically the same but a 600 can change direction so much easier at speed; it's all physics.

Have you seen how far oversquare current generation 450s already are?

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2/26/2018 7:54 PM

If a guy knows how to ride, clutch not throttle, he can ride anything!

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2/26/2018 7:59 PM
Edited Date/Time: 2/26/2018 8:08 PM

Why does everything have to revolve around the so called Big 4?

EnduroGP World Champion Beta has been making 350's as long as KTM ,2011, and currently makes a dual injector model that is a step up in tech from what KTM is running, and offers a 390 and a 430 and a 480. They may have lights, but they don't have to apologize for their performance.

https://www.totalmotorcycle.com/motorcycles/2018/2018-beta-350rr-race-edition-review

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2/26/2018 8:06 PM

smashingpumpkins167 wrote:

I would be first in line for a Yamaha 350

mattyhamz2 wrote:

I’d be right behind you! I would love a yz350

I hope you guys are talking about a YZ 350 two stroke I'd put down a deposit today

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2/26/2018 8:07 PM
Edited Date/Time: 2/26/2018 8:14 PM

Johnny Depp wrote:

Why does everything have to revolve around the so called Big 4?

EnduroGP World Champion Beta has been making 350's as long as KTM ,2011, and currently makes a dual injector model that is a step up in tech from what KTM is running, and offers a 390 and a 430 and a 480. They may have lights, but they don't have to apologize for their performance.

https://www.totalmotorcycle.com/motorcycles/2018/2018-beta-350rr-race-edition-review

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There’s a myriad of reasons I left the beta and Sherco out of this original thread. But the main being that I wanted to bring up what I read in the magazine which was related to the 350sxf motocross model which beta do not make. I know members historically like to debate the beta is a capable mx machine but please for the sake of this thread, it does not apply.

Now for off-road the beta is a viable option but they are more of the niche within a niche. Their us off-road presence I feel has started to slip after losing a few teams and I don’t see them as being anywhere near half the level as the other brands mentioned.

I am mostly concerned with mx models here and the now big 6, two of which make 350s, which leaves the big 4 who do not.

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2/26/2018 8:17 PM

Pirate421 wrote:

All the threads lately about injuries and, justin starling making the main on a 250 last week and the 250 sx often running just as quick or sometimes quicker lap times has me thinking the 450s may start to be working against themselves. We’ve heard from guys like barcia saying that the jgr 450 was a bit too much indoors and out, cairoli proved that the 350 could win in the gps. We basically can all come to the conclusion that everyone rides a 450 because it’s a “marketing tool for the premier class”. Yes they may initially be at a disadvantage early in a race but most amateurs and vets I know benefit from a smaller bike and haven’t met anyone who doesn’t like the 350. Unfortunately a lot of people feel just because they don’t have the biggest and fastest bike made, they are at a disadvantage.

I may be " the guy" who didn't gel with the 350. I wanted to see what all the hype was about,so I bought a 17' Husky FC-350. First couple of rides, thought it was great! After that,the honeymoon was over quick! Sold it with 6 hours on it,picked up a 17' CRF-450,I couldn't be happier.
I still wonder why I didn't fall in love with it?When everything I read says its the best vet bike you can buy.

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2/26/2018 8:39 PM

What are the plans for the 2019 ktm/husq 350? I heard something about a torquier motor. I like the YZ250F power delivery and would jump at a similar powerband 350. Not too interested in a 15k RPM 350.

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2/26/2018 8:49 PM

fullfloater wrote:

What are the plans for the 2019 ktm/husq 350? I heard something about a torquier motor. I like the YZ250F power delivery and would jump at a similar powerband 350. Not too interested in a 15k RPM 350.

I hope they dont ruin a good thing how it builds power now is great. And mxa and others overstate how the low end is weak.

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2/26/2018 8:51 PM

Pirate421 wrote:

All the threads lately about injuries and, justin starling making the main on a 250 last week and the 250 sx often running just as quick or sometimes quicker lap times has me thinking the 450s may start to be working against themselves. We’ve heard from guys like barcia saying that the jgr 450 was a bit too much indoors and out, cairoli proved that the 350 could win in the gps. We basically can all come to the conclusion that everyone rides a 450 because it’s a “marketing tool for the premier class”. Yes they may initially be at a disadvantage early in a race but most amateurs and vets I know benefit from a smaller bike and haven’t met anyone who doesn’t like the 350. Unfortunately a lot of people feel just because they don’t have the biggest and fastest bike made, they are at a disadvantage.

SwingHard wrote:

I may be " the guy" who didn't gel with the 350. I wanted to see what all the hype was about,so I bought a 17' Husky FC-350. First couple of rides, thought it was great! After that,the honeymoon was over quick! Sold it with 6 hours on it,picked up a 17' CRF-450,I couldn't be happier.
I still wonder why I didn't fall in love with it?When everything I read says its the best vet bike you can buy.

I'm "the other guy" that hasn't gelled with the 350. Bought an 18 KTM 350 a month ago. 58 years old, strictly moto.
I get around the track much better on a 450, as I ride in the low end torque curve.

I wanted to test my curiosity, did and moving on.

It's not about one bike being better than the other, it's about whatever your most comfortable on.

Mine has 4 hours on it. It's going up for sale soon.

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2/26/2018 8:58 PM

I wonder why the 350 has a reputation of being a weekend warrior/vet rider bike? The current gen(16-18) 350 makes more HP than the KXF 450 and RMZ 450. I think it's clearly fast enough to be competitive with other 450s in the right hands.

https://www.vitalmx.com/stories/non-public/38

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