Will Texas ever host another pro national?

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6/6/2018 9:04 PM

We have so many amazing facilities here and a massive moto following. Seems crazy that we don’t have a national. I understand the heat factor, but why couldn’t it just be the first or second round of the series. Also what track in Texas could you see hosting a national. I always thought Whitney would have been perfect.

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6/6/2018 9:05 PM

They took our jebs!

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6/6/2018 9:24 PM

Now that Tony Miller has passed don't count on it.But cycle Ranch would be the place to have one if they ever did.

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6/6/2018 10:27 PM

2 hawwt.

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6/7/2018 12:38 AM

I hope we get another. The riders can train for it by spraying a hairdryer in their mouth.

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6/7/2018 1:47 AM
Edited Date/Time: 6/7/2018 1:49 AM

Nope.

We have some awesome tracks here. There's just no interest from the sanctioning body.

Cycle Ranch is amazing but it has access problems (rumor has it). It didn't stop the 4 stroke nationals from coming here (and being very successful) almost 20 years ago but the cartel doesn't seem to think that 15,000 or so folks can get in and out of the track.

Swan is a great track but has access issues as well. They don't seem to be an issue in October during the Pro Challenge.

Oak Hill hosted Nationals back in the day, but can't seem to sniff any interest. Maybe it's the narrow ingress and egress.?

All of those tracks are near large metro areas with easy airport access and plenty of hotel rooms but it seems that there is no real interest in subjecting the riders to the heat of summer.

Guess we'll just continue to get our asses kicked at MXDN each year until we toughen up like we were in the 80's & 90's.

BTW, the Nationals used to end in St. Petersburg, FL. Have you ever been to St. Pete in August? Hell would have been a vacation destination compared to St. Pete in August.

Oh, and that was in the day of 45 minute motos.

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6/7/2018 2:20 AM

DavetheVintageGuy wrote:

Nope.

We have some awesome tracks here. There's just no interest from the sanctioning body.

Cycle Ranch is amazing but it ...more

So the reason USA has lost the MXdN the past few years is because there is no national in Texas? Someone should let Roger know.

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6/7/2018 2:28 AM

No. It's just a symptom of the problem. We don't expect the riders to ride in adverse conditions anymore.

There's no focus on the outdoors, it's now an after thought. It's all about Stupidcross in the US.

And by the time MXDN is here, there's slim pickings due to the injuries that have piled up.

Come on, it's barely June and we're already talking about who is going to be healthy enough to ride at MXDN.

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6/7/2018 2:33 AM

From injuries sustained training for or racing motocross....

No adverse conditions? Even been to Glen Helen National or High Point? It can be every bit as hot as Texas.

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6/7/2018 3:00 AM

Yep, been to Glen Helen. In September. The first time Ricky rode a 4 stroke outdoors. It was hot. It was NOT humid. I thought it was a nice Fall day for Texas.

Also been to St. Pete in August. I lived and raced in Florida at the time. I thought I was gonna die. Heat index is different from temperature.

Not really trying to debate conditions. This is about a National for Texas. And for that, we're beating a dead horse.

Bottom line is there is no inclination from the powers that be to have an outdoor National in the southern latitudes of the US during the summer.

Look at a map. Draw a circle around the majority of the outdoors. 75% are within 6 hours or so of Morgantown. Draw your own conclusion.

And the Euros aren't already nursing injuries from 17 rounds of Supercross when they start training for MXGP. So there's that to think about. Only 5 riders scored points in every round of Supercross this year. It's easy to injure yourself training for the outdoors when you are already beaten up.

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6/7/2018 5:35 AM

SWAN

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6/7/2018 6:54 AM

DavetheVintageGuy wrote:

Nope.

We have some awesome tracks here. There's just no interest from the sanctioning body.

Cycle Ranch is amazing but it ...more

They should hold a national at River Valley.

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6/7/2018 7:21 AM

DavetheVintageGuy wrote:

Nope.

We have some awesome tracks here. There's just no interest from the sanctioning body.

Cycle Ranch is amazing but it ...more

Not sure that 15000 is a realistic number for any national mx event.

Too many other options for recreational funds and less and less interest in the hassle of live events.

People say, "give us a national and it will be huge".

Well, you had nationals, and they weren't huge.

The same is happening at the long anticipated southeastern national. Take it to georgia, alabama, florida, the carolinas, and it will be the same.

Make whatever excuses about the facility or the timing, but the fact is, times have changed. It isn't a mx issue, it is a socialogical issue.

Another example is budds creek. They can blame the drop on moving off father's day to august, but it sure looked to be dropping before then.

Even Glen Helen (with cool temps) looked nothing like it did 15 years ago.

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6/7/2018 7:28 AM
Edited Date/Time: 6/7/2018 7:29 AM

IWreckALot wrote:

They should hold a national at River Valley.

River Valley? I hope you’re joking...

DaveTheVintageGuy pretty much summed it up. Cycle Ranch would be an awesome choice! But when the original owner pursued a National (at the same time Tony Miller was trying to get one), he was told that access was too limited. They even built that big pavilion and did some other renovations to help sway the momentum their way, with no luck. Steve seemed to lose enthusiasm about the place when he realized they wouldn’t get a National.

I heard Oak Hill has new owners with big plans, some of which are already underway. Maybe they will have a shot someday.

Lake Whitney should’ve ALWAYS had a National when it was still around.

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6/7/2018 7:44 AM

DavetheVintageGuy wrote:

Nope.

We have some awesome tracks here. There's just no interest from the sanctioning body.

Cycle Ranch is amazing but it ...more

JustMX wrote:

Not sure that 15000 is a realistic number for any national mx event.

Too many other options for recreational funds and less ...more

I don't disagree with you on any of your points. I think the Outdoors is unfortunately on borrowed time.

The 15,000 number is what Cycle Ranch was told when they tried to get a National before Freestone got it.

RIP Tony Miller (who did his best with what he had), but Freestone was horrible for spectators (even those that were extorted for VIP viewing) and was not near any of the 3 major metro areas in Texas. Add in the financial crash that occurred at the same time and the ratcheting up of gas prices and it was destined to fail. 10 years down the road and the sport hasn't recovered. Add in the kids that don't want to go outside and it's easy to see what the future has in store.

I drove the 14 hours to Thunder Valley last year and had a great time. It has all of the things that make it easy for a spectator. Even so, I just can't take 4 days out of my schedule and justify the cost to make the trip each year.





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6/7/2018 7:45 AM

DavetheVintageGuy wrote:

Nope.

We have some awesome tracks here. There's just no interest from the sanctioning body.

Cycle Ranch is amazing but it ...more

IWreckALot wrote:

They should hold a national at River Valley.

Moto Mofo wrote:

River Valley? I hope you’re joking...

DaveTheVintageGuy pretty much summed it up. Cycle Ranch would be an awesome choice! But ...more

Yeah. It was a bad joke. Ha.

Wish I would have started riding well before I did. Heard Whitney was an awesome track but never got to experience it.

Oak Hill is a cool property but the track seems a bit narrow for a national. We raced Freestone a few times. It was a fun track, but not fun to watch as a spectator. Access was easy enough but it was pretty far from civilization.

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6/7/2018 8:05 AM

DavetheVintageGuy wrote:

Nope.

We have some awesome tracks here. There's just no interest from the sanctioning body.

Cycle Ranch is amazing but it ...more

Oak Hill held a national back when ?? LOL

Been to about 7 of the national tracks and only Cycle Ranch and Lake Whitney deserved a national from Texas.

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6/7/2018 8:10 AM

DavetheVintageGuy wrote:

Nope.

We have some awesome tracks here. There's just no interest from the sanctioning body.

Cycle Ranch is amazing but it ...more

IWreckALot wrote:

They should hold a national at River Valley.

River Valley cant even run a AMA district race correctly.

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6/7/2018 8:13 AM
Edited Date/Time: 6/7/2018 9:50 AM

Tony Miller was awesome and massive Kudos to him for getting us a national for a few years but Freestone is in the middle of nowhere and the track is just okay. We have a couple facilities here that could host a successful National. Swan is the obvious answer but I don’t think the track owner and MX Sports want to do business together. Not sure why but that appears to be the case. Our summer climate doesn’t help our chances but they could easily put a race here in June and the pros could handle the heat.

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6/7/2018 8:15 AM

Get Mr. Ross Downs on the phone

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6/7/2018 8:18 AM

IWreckALot wrote:

Yeah. It was a bad joke. Ha.

Wish I would have started riding well before I did. Heard Whitney was an awesome track but ...more

You missed out because Lake Whitney was a true Texas treasure. There was always lots of carnage there but I’ve got lots of good memories from that place.

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6/7/2018 8:50 AM

Moto Mofo wrote:

River Valley? I hope you’re joking...

DaveTheVintageGuy pretty much summed it up. Cycle Ranch would be an awesome choice! But ...more

IWreckALot wrote:

Yeah. It was a bad joke. Ha.

Wish I would have started riding well before I did. Heard Whitney was an awesome track but ...more

731chopper wrote:

You missed out because Lake Whitney was a true Texas treasure. There was always lots of carnage there but I’ve got lots of ...more

Getting the very first practice at that place was heaven. Axle deep loam and if you knew the track layout you could do a few laps wide open riding on rails. Never a shortage of race lines once it roughened up.

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6/7/2018 9:22 AM

zehn wrote:

From injuries sustained training for or racing motocross....

No adverse conditions? Even been to Glen Helen National or High ...more

You ever been to Texas?

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6/7/2018 9:25 AM

IWreckALot wrote:

Yeah. It was a bad joke. Ha.

Wish I would have started riding well before I did. Heard Whitney was an awesome track but ...more

Lucky’s Landing is the obvious choice for an outdoor National in TX.

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6/7/2018 11:10 AM

Same as it ever was........ Photo


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6/7/2018 11:20 AM

I still don’t understand why California has 4 rounds of supercross and 2 outdoor rounds. It’s not the 90’s anymore. Most the pros don’t live out there anymore. Spread the love. Hell it’d be cool to see Oklahoma have a facility for a national. Swan would be awesome!!

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6/7/2018 11:26 AM

In this thread: Texans complaining about not standing in 100f heat with 90% humidity just to watch some guys ride a dirt bike around a track.

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6/7/2018 11:26 AM
Edited Date/Time: 6/7/2018 11:27 AM

The problem with the Nationals, which just happen to be magnified when you discuss Texas is the time of year is wrong. Supercross season Jan-April would make a perfect outdoor weather conditions in many places. Likewise, a stadium setting is the perfect place to be when the summer heat shows up.

As far as Texas tracks, Rio (best population density) Swan and Cycle Ranch are ready now with above standard facilities.
Spoaks has a national caliber track and access but no permanent facilities yet.

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6/7/2018 11:29 AM

Rabbit Run is in an easily accessible location these days

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6/7/2018 11:36 AM

DavetheVintageGuy wrote:

Yep, been to Glen Helen. In September. The first time Ricky rode a 4 stroke outdoors. It was hot. It was NOT humid. I thought ...more

Look at a map. Draw a circle around the majority of the outdoors. 75% are within 6 hours or so of Morgantown. Draw your own conclusion
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BTW, Hangtown, Glen Helen, Lakewood, Washougal, Millville , southwick are not within 6 hours of Morgantown.

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