Why suzukis turn so well

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9/21/2018 3:07 PM
Edited Date/Time: 9/21/2018 3:08 PM

Is this really a bonafide fact or up for debate? I know Hondas turn very well also. Does suzuki just always have less rake than any other bike sacrificing high speed stability? Ive searched and never seen an end all be all reason why this is. Does it just get repeated by testers or really true? Why cant other mfgs just do the same? Has to have to do with the rake.

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9/21/2018 3:16 PM

Because they are designed that way. Maybe you should try one and find out for yourself

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9/21/2018 3:20 PM
Edited Date/Time: 9/21/2018 3:43 PM

drt410 wrote:

Is this really a bonafide fact or up for debate? I know Hondas turn very well also. Does suzuki just always have less rake than any other bike sacrificing high speed stability? Ive searched and never seen an end all be all reason why this is. Does it just get repeated by testers or really true? Why cant other mfgs just do the same? Has to have to do with the rake.

The Suzuki's are very precise when it comes to turning. The Honda, at least the ones I've ridden, are easy to under and over steer.

And yes, they do give up a bit of straight line stability compared to the other bikes. You have to give a little to get a little.

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9/21/2018 3:27 PM

Suzuki's are very underrated in my opinion overall. They are excellent turning bikes, it is true. I didn't believe the hype until I rode one, then ended up buying one. The bike goes where your eyes go, and the Suzuki is damn near like Yoda. You just barely have to think about where you want it to go - not really even initiate the turn, and with just subtle body movements (without thinking) and the bike goes there. I'm by no means an expert rider and even I can tell they turn like a dream.

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9/21/2018 3:30 PM

So is it just the rake?

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9/21/2018 3:34 PM

Nothing, and I mean nothing, turns as well as a Suzuki...... fantastic bikes. They catch a ton of shit on here, but, your dollar goes further for the normal weekend warrior on a RM, or RMZ. Been my experience anyway......

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9/21/2018 3:41 PM

Head angle, swing arm length, suspension set up, frame flex, and more all play into how well it does/doesnt handle. I believe the zook mostly benefits from a steeper head angle.

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9/21/2018 3:45 PM

Just be careful if used to riding yam or kawi, the suz will turn, sharp, now, oops!

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9/21/2018 3:47 PM

loftyair wrote:

Just be careful if used to riding yam or kawi, the suz will turn, sharp, now, oops!

Lol!! Been there, experienced that and almost went down a few times!

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80% of the time it works every time
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9/21/2018 4:10 PM

I just got an '18. Turns so well I grabbed a hair too much front brake and my ribs broke the ground on my fall!! sick

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9/21/2018 4:24 PM

They turn so well because people on the internet hype them up and people just keep repeating it, kind of like sss suspension. Both are good, but neither are as magical as you would be led to believe.

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9/21/2018 4:26 PM
Edited Date/Time: 9/21/2018 4:45 PM

because they hella slow

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9/21/2018 4:40 PM

Cuz people that have no idea what makes a bike good. Bunch of dumbass love to hate on the zook but fail to realize how important it is to be comfortable. The chassis is good and predictable but I guess we got a bunch of pros here in vital that need more power... smh

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9/21/2018 4:42 PM

It's definitely not as simple as having steeper rake or more front weight bias. Look at the specs. The CRF450 (27deg22min)and YZ450F(27.33deg) both actually have steeper rake than the RMZ(27.8deg) and the weight bias of the RMZ is also pretty much in line with the rest of the class. Obviously Suzuki has some other aspects of the secret formula figured out.

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9/21/2018 5:10 PM

I think the shock setup on the rmz450 helps it turn so well and have so much front end grip

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9/21/2018 5:24 PM

Suzukis definitely turn better, but they also give some headshake and will spit you on the ground faster.

When I switched over to Yamahas way back in 1997, there was one day when I hit a half-buried rock on my new YZ125. It flicked the bike sideways with me high-sided over the top. While the bike was briefly in the air, I thought, "well, this is another broken collarbone," but then the tires hit the dirt and the thing straightened out. My previous RM125 would never have regained its composure in that situation.
The opposite side of the coin happened when I rode my buddy's RM a few years later; I felt like I could lean into any turn and just keep going faster. It was like the machine was on rails in the turns. Want to turn sharper? Lean it harder. Sharper? Even harder. There's no way it will go sharper than that is there? Yep, just lean it even harder. Amazing.

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9/21/2018 5:30 PM

Back in 2001-2002 oldest son and I would swap bikes between my 01 YZ250F and his 01 RM125. Funny shit getting on the RM after burning laps on the 250F, diving into a corner with him on my ass and grabbing a handful of front brake. Talk about ending up on your ass in a heartbeat! The little RM was super light and felt even lighter. Cornered like it was on rails and would stop on a dime. Amazing stuff.

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9/21/2018 5:42 PM

I loved my 01 RM250 ....But the holy grail the 06 RM250 I didn't like as much it felt like it had the smallest window where it would work great and it it was even slightly off in sag depending on conditions or even clickers the bike was a complete handful

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9/21/2018 5:48 PM

JM485 wrote:

They turn so well because people on the internet hype them up and people just keep repeating it, kind of like sss suspension. Both are good, but neither are as magical as you would be led to believe.

Agree... The Zuks turn as well as the Honda. The difference will be in the stability of Zuk not being on par with the red bike. The frame geometry along with other factors like swing arm & triple clamp dimension all play a factor in the turning capabilities. Read an article on this a few yrs. back that was very informative, but couldn't find it.

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9/21/2018 5:54 PM
Edited Date/Time: 9/21/2018 5:54 PM

Because the engine is so mellow and it’s not the lightest bike, solid slow cheap bike lol I may buy a 19

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9/21/2018 6:14 PM

Anyone catch the 19 review from Pinger?

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9/21/2018 6:21 PM

Honda’s don’t seem that stable at all.They are pretty twitchy compared to the other bikes

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9/21/2018 9:51 PM

JM485 wrote:

They turn so well because people on the internet hype them up and people just keep repeating it, kind of like sss suspension. Both are good, but neither are as magical as you would be led to believe.

H4L wrote:

Agree... The Zuks turn as well as the Honda. The difference will be in the stability of Zuk not being on par with the red bike. The frame geometry along with other factors like swing arm & triple clamp dimension all play a factor in the turning capabilities. Read an article on this a few yrs. back that was very informative, but couldn't find it.

The Honda doesn't turn as well as the Zook.

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9/21/2018 10:01 PM

malachi177 wrote:

The Honda doesn't turn as well as the Zook.

My experience tells me otherwise...

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Speak softly and carry a big stick.

9/21/2018 10:18 PM

My next moto will be a Zooky

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9/22/2018 3:14 AM
Edited Date/Time: 9/22/2018 3:16 AM

Illinois Suzuki dealer advertising on c-list , 450s- 18s $ 5299 .00 and 19s $6299.00

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9/22/2018 3:53 AM

That's just because they're soooooooo top heavy once you lean them they litterally fall into the turn.
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9/22/2018 5:05 AM

drt410 wrote:

So is it just the rake?

Could be!

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9/22/2018 7:07 AM

SUSZUKIES TURN GUD AND AR THE GUDEST BIKES THEI MAKE.

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9/22/2018 8:05 AM

drt410 wrote:

So is it just the rake?

Rake, wheelbase, sag, spring height, offset of forks, how the motor is mounted in the cradle. It is not just one thing. And any bike can be made to turn well, it's not witchcraft. Just from the floor, Suzuki turns better than others most years.

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