Why hasn’t the ktm 250 been so dominant here in the AMA as in MXGP

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UpTiTe 5/31/2021 6:10am
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Johnny Ringo wrote:
Because outside of Dunge, Roger cant manage kids under 25
kage173 wrote:
Roger managed Ken Roczen and Marvin Musquin. They were the last KTM 250 champions in the US, both were under 25 and both have had successful...
Roger managed Ken Roczen and Marvin Musquin. They were the last KTM 250 champions in the US, both were under 25 and both have had successful careers. So....
He signed two champions that already knew how to win. He didn’t raise them.

Decosters track record for bringing up and nurturing amateur riders is horrible. It’s why TLD is breaking away from KTMs amateur system and are changing how they prepare young riders. No more Aldon and no more Roger dictating what they are going to do, the new team manager will set it all up.
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kage173 5/31/2021 7:15am
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Johnny Ringo wrote:
Because outside of Dunge, Roger cant manage kids under 25
kage173 wrote:
Roger managed Ken Roczen and Marvin Musquin. They were the last KTM 250 champions in the US, both were under 25 and both have had successful...
Roger managed Ken Roczen and Marvin Musquin. They were the last KTM 250 champions in the US, both were under 25 and both have had successful careers. So....
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He signed two champions that already knew how to win. He didn’t raise them. Decosters track record for bringing up and nurturing amateur riders is horrible...
He signed two champions that already knew how to win. He didn’t raise them.

Decosters track record for bringing up and nurturing amateur riders is horrible. It’s why TLD is breaking away from KTMs amateur system and are changing how they prepare young riders. No more Aldon and no more Roger dictating what they are going to do, the new team manager will set it all up.
I didn't set the criteria. Johnny Ringo did.
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caviar&cigarettes338 5/31/2021 7:18am
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Johnny Ringo wrote:
Because outside of Dunge, Roger cant manage kids under 25
kage173 wrote:
Roger managed Ken Roczen and Marvin Musquin. They were the last KTM 250 champions in the US, both were under 25 and both have had successful...
Roger managed Ken Roczen and Marvin Musquin. They were the last KTM 250 champions in the US, both were under 25 and both have had successful careers. So....
Both were world champions when got them over here
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When is the last time ktm has won a race not just a moto here in USA ? Why hasn’t it been as dominant as it...
When is the last time ktm has won a race not just a moto here in USA ? Why hasn’t it been as dominant as it has been in Europe and as dominant as it’s big brother the 450 here
in Europe they buy the best riders and they have the top 250 program

for a privateer effort its easier to build a competitive 450 as there isnt a Hp disadvantage where as in 250's its all about HP. and there isnt a lot of factory teams in the GPs
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H4L 5/31/2021 8:02am
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Phillip_Lamb wrote:
in Europe they buy the best riders and they have the top 250 program for a privateer effort its easier to build a competitive 450 as...
in Europe they buy the best riders and they have the top 250 program

for a privateer effort its easier to build a competitive 450 as there isnt a Hp disadvantage where as in 250's its all about HP. and there isnt a lot of factory teams in the GPs
Yup. In the US they’re on a more level playing field & it shows. All the bikes are very capable of winning at the highest level with the exception of the Zuk..
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soggy 5/31/2021 8:17am
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Yup. In the US they’re on a more level playing field & it shows. All the bikes are very capable of winning at the highest level...
Yup. In the US they’re on a more level playing field & it shows. All the bikes are very capable of winning at the highest level with the exception of the Zuk..
Put Jett on an rmz250 and I’m sure he would win some races
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soggy 5/31/2021 8:18am
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The simple fact is ktm hasn’t had the best riders on 250’s for a while and that’s a big factor. Had Ferrandis been on ktm or sexton or AC I’m sure they would have some championships over here.
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H4L 5/31/2021 9:35am
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soggy wrote:
Put Jett on an rmz250 and I’m sure he would win some races
You’re entitled to your opinion. I just don’t see it that way.
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Dirty Points 5/31/2021 9:59am
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H4L wrote:
Yup. In the US they’re on a more level playing field & it shows. All the bikes are very capable of winning at the highest level...
Yup. In the US they’re on a more level playing field & it shows. All the bikes are very capable of winning at the highest level with the exception of the Zuk..
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Put Jett on an rmz250 and I’m sure he would win some races
Hunter was on an RMZ when he took the overall in mx2 at MXDN against Osborne/Prado/etc
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TheGetFresh 5/31/2021 10:08am
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Don’t forget racing is in the marketing budget for these companies. KTM has simply prioritized 450 titles in the US over the past few years. The company and race team have the resources and expertise to put together a strong 250 program, but they see their effort better spent on winning big bike titles, particularly in SX. Between SX and mx there are 5 available titles in a US race season, and KTM seems to have put all of their resources into just 1.
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soggy 5/31/2021 10:10am
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soggy wrote:
Put Jett on an rmz250 and I’m sure he would win some races
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You’re entitled to your opinion. I just don’t see it that way.
The biggest detractor for people on the Rez is it doesn’t have e start which has no effect on its performance. If a mart can be competitive on one Jett certainly could. Hell Derek drake did pretty good on one at pala.
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soggy 5/31/2021 10:12am
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Don’t forget racing is in the marketing budget for these companies. KTM has simply prioritized 450 titles in the US over the past few years. The...
Don’t forget racing is in the marketing budget for these companies. KTM has simply prioritized 450 titles in the US over the past few years. The company and race team have the resources and expertise to put together a strong 250 program, but they see their effort better spent on winning big bike titles, particularly in SX. Between SX and mx there are 5 available titles in a US race season, and KTM seems to have put all of their resources into just 1.
Just because that’s what happened doesn’t mean that’s what they intended. They just haven’t had 250 riders pan out recently. Cantrell, Drake, Moreau. None of there 250 riders have gone on to do big things with other teams so it’s not the bike imo
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Dirty Points 5/31/2021 11:34am
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TheGetFresh wrote:
Don’t forget racing is in the marketing budget for these companies. KTM has simply prioritized 450 titles in the US over the past few years. The...
Don’t forget racing is in the marketing budget for these companies. KTM has simply prioritized 450 titles in the US over the past few years. The company and race team have the resources and expertise to put together a strong 250 program, but they see their effort better spent on winning big bike titles, particularly in SX. Between SX and mx there are 5 available titles in a US race season, and KTM seems to have put all of their resources into just 1.
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Just because that’s what happened doesn’t mean that’s what they intended. They just haven’t had 250 riders pan out recently. Cantrell, Drake, Moreau. None of there...
Just because that’s what happened doesn’t mean that’s what they intended. They just haven’t had 250 riders pan out recently. Cantrell, Drake, Moreau. None of there 250 riders have gone on to do big things with other teams so it’s not the bike imo
Moreau hasn't gone on to do big things with other teams? Dude, what is wrong with you?

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UpTiTe 5/31/2021 12:09pm
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TheGetFresh wrote:
Don’t forget racing is in the marketing budget for these companies. KTM has simply prioritized 450 titles in the US over the past few years. The...
Don’t forget racing is in the marketing budget for these companies. KTM has simply prioritized 450 titles in the US over the past few years. The company and race team have the resources and expertise to put together a strong 250 program, but they see their effort better spent on winning big bike titles, particularly in SX. Between SX and mx there are 5 available titles in a US race season, and KTM seems to have put all of their resources into just 1.
That’s pretty far off, they spend the most money on their amateur and 250 class than any other team.
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soggy 5/31/2021 12:16pm
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Dirty Points wrote:
Moreau hasn't gone on to do big things with other teams? Dude, what is wrong with you?

FYI: You can still edit that.
Two different sentences dude. Reading comprehension in America is at an all time low
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TheGetFresh 5/31/2021 1:18pm
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TheGetFresh wrote:
Don’t forget racing is in the marketing budget for these companies. KTM has simply prioritized 450 titles in the US over the past few years. The...
Don’t forget racing is in the marketing budget for these companies. KTM has simply prioritized 450 titles in the US over the past few years. The company and race team have the resources and expertise to put together a strong 250 program, but they see their effort better spent on winning big bike titles, particularly in SX. Between SX and mx there are 5 available titles in a US race season, and KTM seems to have put all of their resources into just 1.
soggy wrote:
Just because that’s what happened doesn’t mean that’s what they intended. They just haven’t had 250 riders pan out recently. Cantrell, Drake, Moreau. None of there...
Just because that’s what happened doesn’t mean that’s what they intended. They just haven’t had 250 riders pan out recently. Cantrell, Drake, Moreau. None of there 250 riders have gone on to do big things with other teams so it’s not the bike imo
But that’s kind of the point. Other teams chase proven 250 winners but KTM seems to focus on lesser known young riders in hopes they can’t develop a late bloomer. As mentioned, they have the budget to sign ready-to-win riders, but they don’t seem to. The 450 team has had multiple riders that were championship threats for the last few seasons. Their 250 teams have not.
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soggy 5/31/2021 1:47pm
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TheGetFresh wrote:
But that’s kind of the point. Other teams chase proven 250 winners but KTM seems to focus on lesser known young riders in hopes they can’t...
But that’s kind of the point. Other teams chase proven 250 winners but KTM seems to focus on lesser known young riders in hopes they can’t develop a late bloomer. As mentioned, they have the budget to sign ready-to-win riders, but they don’t seem to. The 450 team has had multiple riders that were championship threats for the last few seasons. Their 250 teams have not.
They’ve had good riders it just hasn’t worked out. Webb wasn’t considered a champion threat when he signed. There is no doubt the star team is the it team right now followed by PC.With the exception of the Lawrence brothers I bet every 250 rider in the field would want to be on star right now if terms were equal. When everyone wants to be on your team it’s easier to collect talent.

I’m sure ktm will have it’s day in the 250 class
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deanwhite51 5/31/2021 9:08pm
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Im pretty sure there's a video back where dungey and decoster talk a lot about the KTM's design being built around supercross.
Euro MXGP KTM dont run OEM frames. There longer and designed around the MX tracks.
Hence why they handle so good overseas and they are so unstable in the US MX.

But turn to supercross and the Oem frames are more agile ands shorter
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soggy wrote:
Put Jett on an rmz250 and I’m sure he would win some races
H4L wrote:
You’re entitled to your opinion. I just don’t see it that way.





Jetts already proved he can win on anything... even against the factory KTM GP teams
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soggy wrote:
I was wondering too when a ktm won a 250 moto or race and who was riding it?
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McElrath at Budds Creek 2019 (?)
muddy creek '18 oa win with a 3-2

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