Why doesn’t yamaha update the YZ125/250

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6/6/2018 8:04 AM

What’s your opinion on this? i seriously have no idea why they won’t it makes zero sense.

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6/6/2018 8:06 AM

It's still selling the way it is. It's a great overall package.

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6/6/2018 8:09 AM

As bad as I wished they would the guys under the Yamaha tent said they are selling everyone they make so until that changes Corporate will keep the same design.

The Yamaha 125 is still winning races though a slight revamp to the motor with plastic updates would be nice.

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6/6/2018 8:10 AM

R & D was done years ago and they're still selling every one they make - pure gravy for Yamaha.

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Current rides: 2016 KTM 250SXF, 2017 KTM 350SXF

6/6/2018 8:10 AM

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6/6/2018 8:12 AM

From Yamaha's perspective, the question is: why would we change it?

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Current rides: 2016 KTM 250SXF, 2017 KTM 350SXF

6/6/2018 8:15 AM

MPJC wrote:

From Yamaha's perspective, the question is: why would we change it?

Lost me as a customer if im spending new bike money i want a new bike. Not a 2005 with new graphics and plastics to mimic a new bike.

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6/6/2018 8:17 AM

They delivered an all new 65, new motor for the 85, and a substantial overhaul of the 250f, this a year after updating the 450f and the X models. My guess is any leftover R&D budget is going to their electric bike program.

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6/6/2018 8:18 AM

They're in it to make money. If bikes are selling and costing them zero R&D time, you can bet your ass the higher ups aren't going to be like "Sure it's been a while. Time for a change. We're making too much money."

The only reason they (any manufacturer) keep developing 250Fs and 450Fs is because the other guys are doing it. Yamaha has no competition on the 2-stroke front from the homeland therefore, no incentive.

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6/6/2018 8:18 AM

yz133rider wrote:

Lost me as a customer if im spending new bike money i want a new bike. Not a 2005 with new graphics and plastics to mimic a new bike.

Its still arguably the best 125 out there, the KTM is on the same level, but its taken them how long? The YZ 125 is a great bike, that's hard to improve on..........

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6/6/2018 8:19 AM

MPJC wrote:

From Yamaha's perspective, the question is: why would we change it?

yz133rider wrote:

Lost me as a customer if im spending new bike money i want a new bike. Not a 2005 with new graphics and plastics to mimic a new bike.

I agree completely. But they are still selling so the bean counters are happy given that the expenses are so minimal. It's quite a testament to how great the bikes were in 2005 that they're still competitive today without any substantial changes.

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Current rides: 2016 KTM 250SXF, 2017 KTM 350SXF

6/6/2018 8:28 AM

Don't fix it if it ain't broken?

That being said I wish it was quite a bit less expensive. I'm not the manufacturer so I have no dog in the fight.

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6/6/2018 8:29 AM

They really don’t have to. I just bought an 18 yz125. Could have spent 8k plus on the brand new 250f but got the 125 under 6k. New bike smell and I am happy

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6/6/2018 8:29 AM

MPJC wrote:

From Yamaha's perspective, the question is: why would we change it?

yz133rider wrote:

Lost me as a customer if im spending new bike money i want a new bike. Not a 2005 with new graphics and plastics to mimic a new bike.

jankymike wrote:

Its still arguably the best 125 out there, the KTM is on the same level, but its taken them how long? The YZ 125 is a great bike, that's hard to improve on..........

How is it agruably the best 125 out there? Its down like 4hp and brakes are much worse than ktm. Hp matters to 125s giving up 4hp i cant see how its arguably the best 125 lol.

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6/6/2018 8:37 AM

MPJC wrote:

From Yamaha's perspective, the question is: why would we change it?

yz133rider wrote:

Lost me as a customer if im spending new bike money i want a new bike. Not a 2005 with new graphics and plastics to mimic a new bike.

jankymike wrote:

Its still arguably the best 125 out there, the KTM is on the same level, but its taken them how long? The YZ 125 is a great bike, that's hard to improve on..........

I think that a lot of people will disagree with that Yamaha is on the same level as the KTM. KTM did their R&D and have the fastest 125 on the market.

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6/6/2018 9:07 AM

ROI?

they're conservative and will probably wait until the 2 stroke market has peaked before they invest more, which by then will be too late lol.

kinda like honda waited to release teh civic type R until everyone else was already in the hot hatch game.

too conservative for their own good.

KTM deserves every point of market share they have. balls on the crossbar baby.

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6/6/2018 9:08 AM

Once again, it's because they don't care

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6/6/2018 9:10 AM

jankymike wrote:

Its still arguably the best 125 out there, the KTM is on the same level, but its taken them how long? The YZ 125 is a great bike, that's hard to improve on..........

While it is still a great dirt bike, I find it highly unlikely anybody could ride the YZ125 over a Husky, TM, or KTM and concede that it's better. It is such a delayed platform at this point and it feels that way.

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6/6/2018 9:15 AM

yz133rider wrote:

Lost me as a customer if im spending new bike money i want a new bike. Not a 2005 with new graphics and plastics to mimic a new bike.

jankymike wrote:

Its still arguably the best 125 out there, the KTM is on the same level, but its taken them how long? The YZ 125 is a great bike, that's hard to improve on..........

SeaClassExpert wrote:

While it is still a great dirt bike, I find it highly unlikely anybody could ride the YZ125 over a Husky, TM, or KTM and concede that it's better. It is such a delayed platform at this point and it feels that way.

They still win races at all skill levels.

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6/6/2018 9:17 AM

jankymike wrote:

Its still arguably the best 125 out there, the KTM is on the same level, but its taken them how long? The YZ 125 is a great bike, that's hard to improve on..........

SeaClassExpert wrote:

While it is still a great dirt bike, I find it highly unlikely anybody could ride the YZ125 over a Husky, TM, or KTM and concede that it's better. It is such a delayed platform at this point and it feels that way.

JBecker 72 wrote:

They still win races at all skill levels.

It ain't the bike...

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Tomac and/or Anderson for 2020.....

6/6/2018 9:19 AM

The KTM is newer and has a bit more power, but in my opinion the YZ suspension is a better platform, and has been since 06

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6/6/2018 9:25 AM

jankymike wrote:

The KTM is newer and has a bit more power, but in my opinion the YZ suspension is a better platform, and has been since 06

Forks maybe, shock I would give the nod to the Katoom. i think the KTM chassis is better to start with...The YZ really is starting to feel "dated".

It is all personal preference really. If i were buying new, I would buy something designed in the current decade. Could not justify spending $6500 on a 12 year old bike.

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Tomac and/or Anderson for 2020.....

6/6/2018 9:26 AM

jankymike wrote:

Its still arguably the best 125 out there, the KTM is on the same level, but its taken them how long? The YZ 125 is a great bike, that's hard to improve on..........

SeaClassExpert wrote:

While it is still a great dirt bike, I find it highly unlikely anybody could ride the YZ125 over a Husky, TM, or KTM and concede that it's better. It is such a delayed platform at this point and it feels that way.

JBecker 72 wrote:

They still win races at all skill levels.

I don't know about that at the top level.. the current EMX125 results tell a different story this year: Although there's one moto win for the YZ125, there are only 2 YZs in top 20, rest is KTM/Husky.
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6/6/2018 9:29 AM

Yamaha should really consider chopping the price of the 2 strokes or throw in some higher performance parts like reeds, forged piston, or better porting.

Lets be real though they sell as is and yamaha has no problem milking the hell out of it.

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6/6/2018 9:30 AM

I think there is a 50/50 chance that changes wouldn't be well received. Really, how much can they change?

Perimeter frame? Current frame is pretty well liked.
Suspension? Same.
Motor? Changing this could go either way. If you remember that last 10 years of shootouts when two strokes were king, often bikes got worse with changes.
Electric start? Direct/fuel injection? Polarizing technology for the target market.

Much as I hate to say it, I don't think that it would be wise to change anything unless other mfgs get back in the game.

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6/6/2018 9:30 AM

As long as they sell they will keep making themno changes is just them quietly killing them off.

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6/6/2018 9:34 AM

kb228 wrote:

Yamaha should really consider chopping the price of the 2 strokes or throw in some higher performance parts like reeds, forged piston, or better porting.

Lets be real though they sell as is and yamaha has no problem milking the hell out of it.

Gytr has plenty of parts for that bike. Why would they lower the price?? They sell bikes to make $$.

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6/6/2018 9:40 AM
Edited Date/Time: 6/6/2018 9:52 AM

Why would they change?
Simple, to reduce number of parts in inventory and reduce production cost. If parts from the four strokes will fit (example triple clamps and front fender) why spend the money to make the parts specific to the 2 stroke?
The entire swingarm, hub, brake, and linkage is specific to the 2 stroke so is the front hub. Next time yamaha re-designs the 4 stroke they should design the parts to fit the current 2 stroke chassis. Then they could cut all those parts in one model year and improve the bike without any R&D going to the 2 stroke.
Just look at ktm, wether it be a 125 2 stroke or 450 4 stroke the majority of the bike is identical.

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6/6/2018 9:40 AM
Edited Date/Time: 6/6/2018 9:42 AM

I think it is personal preference, you guys have brought up some good points about the new KTM's, but after riding both, the YZ just feels so comfortable to me personally.

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6/6/2018 9:41 AM

yz133rider wrote:

Lost me as a customer if im spending new bike money i want a new bike. Not a 2005 with new graphics and plastics to mimic a new bike.

Bingo, I bought a new 125 a couple weeks ago. I really would have liked a yz since I have parts and suspension setup from when I was racing them back in the day. I just couldnt justify forking over that kind of money for 2005 technology. Bought my first ktm instead.

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