Why did I get a 2 stroke it's like a handicap

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xplane 3/21/2017 9:01pm
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Yeah, to be clear I probably won't ever sell the 125 but I will be getting a 4 stroke.
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Rockinar 3/21/2017 9:31pm
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xplane wrote:
Funny you say that because starting out I found TIG vastly easier than MIG.
MIG = Electric glue gun.
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Rockinar 3/21/2017 9:37pm
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xplane wrote:
OK, more like why did I get a 125. I had a 125 shifter kart and that thing was kickass since it was way easier to...
OK, more like why did I get a 125. I had a 125 shifter kart and that thing was kickass since it was way easier to keep in the powerband AND it made more power. Not so for MX Honda 125. I wouldn't mind a larger displacement 2 stroke like a 250.

I don't care about the cost of 4 stroke maintenance.
"Not so for MX Honda 125"???? Shifter karts are 1999 Stock Honda MX engines.
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Rockinar 3/21/2017 9:41pm
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xplane wrote:
Read the thread the gist here is not that the 125 is slow it's that it takes more effort and a screaming engine to unleash the...
Read the thread the gist here is not that the 125 is slow it's that it takes more effort and a screaming engine to unleash the power.
How many times a week do you have to douche?
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PRM31 3/22/2017 8:51am
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Andy_Greenney wrote:
Sounds like a troll but I'll take the bait. People ride 2Ts because they want to, not because they are faster. The same rider will always...
Sounds like a troll but I'll take the bait. People ride 2Ts because they want to, not because they are faster. The same rider will always be able to haul a 4T around the track faster, why? Tractable Power.
That being said a 2T offers a great base for learning to ride as you have to be precise with gears, line choice etc and racing IS better in a 2T field.

Edit: the cr125 is a stinker of a 125, I know I had one. If you stay 125 ktm is the way to go
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My 2005 KTM 125 with a 144 piston was a bit faster than a 2006 Honda crf250r but the suspension on the 05 chasis was awful...
My 2005 KTM 125 with a 144 piston was a bit faster than a 2006 Honda crf250r but the suspension on the 05 chasis was awful. I would send the 05 Honda cylinder to Eric Gore and put a 144 kit in it or stroke it and bore to a 167. This would rip.
Amen to the 144. I have a 2005 RM125 with an Eric Gorr 144 in it. As much HP as a 250, maybe not. But the lighter weight, ease of cornering and handling the rough stuff make up for it. I know I'm faster on the 2t after 15-20 min (hell, two laps....) than I am on a fat 4t.
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OK so I am a new rider and I have about 12 hours on a 2005 CR125. I bought this bike ragged out, replaced BOTH wheels...
OK so I am a new rider and I have about 12 hours on a 2005 CR125. I bought this bike ragged out, replaced BOTH wheels, have done a shitload of maintenance and know the mechanicals inside and out. It's really easy to work on compared to a 4 cyl street bike. The 12 hours is basically my entire experience on a motocross track. All my other time was on street bikes. I only had about 2500 miles so you can imagine my level of competence. I'm finally getting to the point where I can go to the track, get a good workout, and not fall off the bike.

Anyway today I rode a 2007 CRF250 w/ pro circuit head and race gas. Why the hell does anyone bother with 2 strokes? This 4 stroke 250 has power everywhere and best of all for a new rider like me you can shift up and still get a good pull without the motor being wound out. For an advanced rider, if it makes the same power as a 2 stroke it's obviously a better choice since the power is more predictable and has way more area under the curve. Obviously the pro ranks have spoken although if F1 is any indication that means next to nothing as far as what's badass or what sucks.

I was easily moving even in deep sand and the bike had so much torque, all the time, that it was easy to get air where the 125 would just be bogging or spinning clutched out and not gripping. On straights, I could just grab a gear, grab the throttle, and go the same speed as I could MAYBE go at max effort on the 125. I know that I'll now be getting a 250, although I'll probably keep the CR since although it's a ridiculously unbalanced bike (great chassis laughably workeable motor) but very collectable.


The problem with the 2 stroke is it is all or nothing and while it does go i have to keep it wound out and I feel like a douchebag doing 11K rpms and riding slow and like a goon. If you drop it off the pipe it just sucks ass. Plus you have to CONSTANTLY shift it which gets old. I mean, this isn't a car where I'm sitting and I have paddles. I have to ride this thing and exert a lot of effort. You'd think I'm already doing enough that I don't need the additional "fun challenge" of shifting every 700 milliseconds.
Try a 250 2-stroke 🤟🏼
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This thread is 3 years old bro
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This thread is 3 years old bro
Cut him a little slack, he’s from Newfoundland.
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My buddy had a Newfoundland. Dipshit ran into the road and got smoked by a Toyota.
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So, you're comparing a beat CR125 (good chassis, terrible motor), to a modified (Procircuit head, exhaust) CRF250, plus, you're a new rider, and riding in the deep sand?

I'll admit, I stopped reading after the first page, but if this is true, you need better friends.
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Don't misunderstand me, I got a 125 cuz I thought it would be cool. It's cool, but it's really, really laborious to ride compared to a...
Don't misunderstand me, I got a 125 cuz I thought it would be cool. It's cool, but it's really, really laborious to ride compared to a 4 stroke 250.
If you want to ride a couch...stay home. 2 strokes require skills that 4 strokes do not...no one will argue that
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OP didn't post much after all this....... Mmm...... I wonder.
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Not many people are saying how much more fuel 2-strokes take than 4-strokes. Sure 2-strokes are more simple, easy and cheaper to maintain than 4-strokes. My take is that if you don't have any disaster failure on your 4-stroke engine you save the money from fuel what it takes to maintain the 4-stroke versus 2-stroke. This was really of topic from the first post but I think one relevant argument for the 2- vs 4-stroke debate.
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Wiff3 2/5/2020 2:12pm
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resetjet wrote:
Who resurrected this hot mess?
I don't know, but they caught me not looking before I added my .02. LOL
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I got to page three before I realized and he said “this is 2017, we can talk about...” I wanted to shoot myself. Pinch
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tempura wrote:
The 250f is easier to ride fast. The 125 is fast in the right hands. The more you ride it, the faster you will become on...
The 250f is easier to ride fast.
The 125 is fast in the right hands. The more you ride it, the faster you will become on it.
It takes skill to ride a 125 consistently fast around a track.
And a lot more energy to do so. Listen to Ricky Carmichael on The Whiskey Throttle Show. He was happy to get off a factory smoker to get the 4 stroke performance. I came up on 2 strokes, they were great for the time but anyone will be faster on a 4 stroke if they clear their minds about it. Everything the OP is saying about smokers is true yet he is called a troll. It's not like he doesn't have any background in powersports. He knows what's up.
I guess all the top AMA pros are lazy, huh?
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If you can’t ride a 125 like a 125 should be ridden, don’t ride a 125, simple
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profeshenal125 2/5/2020 7:05pm
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mxcolin wrote:
This has to be a troll, talking about shifting paddles in his car and yet riding a 2005 CR125.
Haha Yeah or a very Clever way of getting cr125 selling prices down, A+.
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xplane 2/7/2020 5:32pm
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OP here. I got an email that this thread was back and was surprised. So a few things:

1) I still own my 125 and it's awesome. Guess what? The RC valve was broken, making the bottom end suck more than necessary. It was broken since I bought the bike and stayed that way for quite a while after I made this thread.

2) Yes I still own my 135i with paddle shifters, not a very expensive car so conspiracy theories about why I would get a 125 are puzzling. Actually, I got the 125 because I had a huge hard on for 2 stroke sound and simplicity. I could have got a 4 stroke, but didn't. I stuck with the 2 stroke.

3) I also own a Zero FXS supermoto and it kicks ass. 47 hp 70 lbft tq motor maintenance free. Ride mostly on the street these days. It has power everywhere and mega torque off a stop. Great fun for short rides. The power drops off as the battery gets low so it's great for street not there yet for track.

4) Never selling the 125. Actually I'd like to get more 2 strokes when I have the time.
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Turbojez wrote:
Give yourself some time. Once you get the hang of a 125 smoker, you'll be able to ride almost any bike fast. A guy that rides...
Give yourself some time. Once you get the hang of a 125 smoker, you'll be able to ride almost any bike fast. A guy that rides only 250f couldn't do shit on a 125. Two really important things that smoker will teach you, and 4 stroke won't, unless you really work on it: Corner entry speed (you don't have to worry about it so much on 4 stroke, it will rip out of the corner anyway), and using brakes. And those two are simply put the keys to become faster. Ride, ride and ride and you'll be beating your buddies on 250fs in no time.
This guy nailed it. Can you catch more "sweet air" on the 250F? Of course... which is exactly why you should stick to the 125 for bit longer. You'll find yourself in positions on that 250f that you don't yet have the talent to recover from. That will lead to a big injury and you'll be done with motocross altogether. Give yourself a year, minimum, on that bike and then find a nice 250F. You'll be safer and much better off.
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JWACK wrote:
Come back and revisit this after your have ridden 10,000+ hours. Then you will know why we bother with a two stroke. The skill to ride...
Come back and revisit this after your have ridden 10,000+ hours. Then you will know why we bother with a two stroke.
The skill to ride one is part of the enjoyment.

Yes, a 250f is easier but so are most fat chicks.
This is one of the best posts ever.....
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xplane wrote:
OK so I am a new rider and I have about 12 hours on a 2005 CR125. I bought this bike ragged out, replaced BOTH wheels...
OK so I am a new rider and I have about 12 hours on a 2005 CR125. I bought this bike ragged out, replaced BOTH wheels, have done a shitload of maintenance and know the mechanicals inside and out. It's really easy to work on compared to a 4 cyl street bike. The 12 hours is basically my entire experience on a motocross track. All my other time was on street bikes. I only had about 2500 miles so you can imagine my level of competence. I'm finally getting to the point where I can go to the track, get a good workout, and not fall off the bike.

Anyway today I rode a 2007 CRF250 w/ pro circuit head and race gas. Why the hell does anyone bother with 2 strokes? This 4 stroke 250 has power everywhere and best of all for a new rider like me you can shift up and still get a good pull without the motor being wound out. For an advanced rider, if it makes the same power as a 2 stroke it's obviously a better choice since the power is more predictable and has way more area under the curve. Obviously the pro ranks have spoken although if F1 is any indication that means next to nothing as far as what's badass or what sucks.

I was easily moving even in deep sand and the bike had so much torque, all the time, that it was easy to get air where the 125 would just be bogging or spinning clutched out and not gripping. On straights, I could just grab a gear, grab the throttle, and go the same speed as I could MAYBE go at max effort on the 125. I know that I'll now be getting a 250, although I'll probably keep the CR since although it's a ridiculously unbalanced bike (great chassis laughably workeable motor) but very collectable.


The problem with the 2 stroke is it is all or nothing and while it does go i have to keep it wound out and I feel like a douchebag doing 11K rpms and riding slow and like a goon. If you drop it off the pipe it just sucks ass. Plus you have to CONSTANTLY shift it which gets old. I mean, this isn't a car where I'm sitting and I have paddles. I have to ride this thing and exert a lot of effort. You'd think I'm already doing enough that I don't need the additional "fun challenge" of shifting every 700 milliseconds.
12 hours? You don’t even know how to ride yet!
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Bramlett321 2/19/2020 10:44am
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kkawboy14 wrote:
12 hours? You don’t even know how to ride yet!
hell it takes longer than that to work up a good case of monkey butt.
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