Why are riders like Coldenhoff & Herlings so good in the sand? I have a clue now....

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5/31/2020 6:48 AM

My first choice on Youtube this morning was the 2018 Redbull Knockout. Labeled an enduro - basically 3 hours of beach motocross. Pretty impressive!

The first hour 'qualifier' eliminates 250 of the 1000 riders entered.

Then the remaining 750 get to do a 2 hour Moto in the sand.

Pretty cool that riders like Herlings (won it in 2016) and Coldenhoff would even enter something that isn't classified as a motocross.

And having to lap probably 650 riders that aren't near as fast as you? Yes, a little experience passing in the sand from this race.

Two 30 minute motor plus 2 laps - sounds like a piece if cake in comparison.

Can't imagine the US rider that would even try this - of course there is a lot to risk with so many amateurs participating.

Being able to watch Supercross is still hours away.......

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2016 YZ250X

5/31/2020 7:08 AM

The RBKO is just one race. The main reason is that nearly all the tracks in the Netherlands look like a sandpit. So if you start riding at young age you ride in deep sand.

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5/31/2020 7:20 AM

Red Bull Knockout was awesome! I was gutted they didn't have a 2019 race - does anybody know why it didn't happen? When I looked there didn't seem to be a reason.

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5/31/2020 8:46 AM

I thought they only do it every other year? Maybe they’ll have it this year? I’m over this covid crap maybe they will be too

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6/1/2020 5:57 AM

I've read about these guys growing up racing in the sand - but if a picture is worth 1000 words, then seeing a race like this is worth a couple million words at least!

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2016 YZ250X

6/1/2020 7:41 AM

KX500 wrote:

My first choice on Youtube this morning was the 2018 Redbull Knockout. Labeled an enduro - basically 3 hours of beach motocross. Pretty impressive!

The first hour 'qualifier' eliminates 250 of the 1000 riders entered.

Then the remaining 750 get to do a 2 hour Moto in the sand.

Pretty cool that riders like Herlings (won it in 2016) and Coldenhoff would even enter something that isn't classified as a motocross.

And having to lap probably 650 riders that aren't near as fast as you? Yes, a little experience passing in the sand from this race.

Two 30 minute motor plus 2 laps - sounds like a piece if cake in comparison.

Can't imagine the US rider that would even try this - of course there is a lot to risk with so many amateurs participating.

Being able to watch Supercross is still hours away.......

Paragraph five. All well and good clocking laps on your own or in a small group, but you don't learn race craft. You only get that from racing. Makes total sense to sign up to a race so gnarly. There was a pro in the UK that used to ride public tracks in the winter over here to get used to pulling his roll offs on gnarly sand tracks. The best way to practice for racing is to actually race.

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6/1/2020 9:20 AM
Edited Date/Time: 6/1/2020 9:22 AM

Anything Red Bull get press, but the Weston Beach race is 40 years old and great fun to watch.



Years before RBKO, the Veronica Strandcross Scheveningen was held on the same beach. And sidecars raced it.

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6/1/2020 10:21 PM

KX500 wrote:

My first choice on Youtube this morning was the 2018 Redbull Knockout. Labeled an enduro - basically 3 hours of beach motocross. Pretty impressive!

The first hour 'qualifier' eliminates 250 of the 1000 riders entered.

Then the remaining 750 get to do a 2 hour Moto in the sand.

Pretty cool that riders like Herlings (won it in 2016) and Coldenhoff would even enter something that isn't classified as a motocross.

And having to lap probably 650 riders that aren't near as fast as you? Yes, a little experience passing in the sand from this race.

Two 30 minute motor plus 2 laps - sounds like a piece if cake in comparison.

Can't imagine the US rider that would even try this - of course there is a lot to risk with so many amateurs participating.

Being able to watch Supercross is still hours away.......

Yes it good—but also consider Nathan Watson (a offroad hard enduro rider) only finished a little over 2min behind him...that's impressive!

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6/1/2020 10:56 PM

I have a clue: the ride that sh.t all the time.

Langston said that one of his greatest achievments was winning the dutch 125 title!

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6/2/2020 2:56 AM

Hint: It’s not rocket science. They are from Holland, that makes them Dutch. Holland is mostly sand. Hell, without constantly pumping & retainment walls much of dry Holland would be under water now. Hence they ride in sand everyday, grew up riding it everyday. The FIM/Youthstream helps them out by scheduling more sand track races, scheduling the MXDN at sand tracks as much as possible, and even if it’s scheduled at a non sand track they will bring in hundreds of dump trucks worth of sand.

See, it’s not hard.

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6/2/2020 3:25 AM

Paul333 wrote:

Hint: It’s not rocket science. They are from Holland, that makes them Dutch. Holland is mostly sand. Hell, without constantly pumping & retainment walls much of dry Holland would be under water now. Hence they ride in sand everyday, grew up riding it everyday. The FIM/Youthstream helps them out by scheduling more sand track races, scheduling the MXDN at sand tracks as much as possible, and even if it’s scheduled at a non sand track they will bring in hundreds of dump trucks worth of sand.

See, it’s not hard.

Lol, of the 20 rounds they have like 3/4 sand races. Valkenswaard (which is more hardpack than you think), Lommel, Assen, Kegums

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6/2/2020 3:54 AM

Paul333 wrote:

Hint: It’s not rocket science. They are from Holland, that makes them Dutch. Holland is mostly sand. Hell, without constantly pumping & retainment walls much of dry Holland would be under water now. Hence they ride in sand everyday, grew up riding it everyday. The FIM/Youthstream helps them out by scheduling more sand track races, scheduling the MXDN at sand tracks as much as possible, and even if it’s scheduled at a non sand track they will bring in hundreds of dump trucks worth of sand.

See, it’s not hard.

Cortami79 wrote:

Lol, of the 20 rounds they have like 3/4 sand races. Valkenswaard (which is more hardpack than you think), Lommel, Assen, Kegums

“Not hard”. Yeah righto

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6/2/2020 5:24 AM

Monk wrote:

Yes it good—but also consider Nathan Watson (a offroad hard enduro rider) only finished a little over 2min behind him...that's impressive!

Actually Watson won the 2018 race - Coldenhoff 2nd.

And Watson is from the UK, so probably not as much sand experience.

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2016 YZ250X

6/2/2020 5:39 AM

KX500 wrote:

My first choice on Youtube this morning was the 2018 Redbull Knockout. Labeled an enduro - basically 3 hours of beach motocross. Pretty impressive!

The first hour 'qualifier' eliminates 250 of the 1000 riders entered.

Then the remaining 750 get to do a 2 hour Moto in the sand.

Pretty cool that riders like Herlings (won it in 2016) and Coldenhoff would even enter something that isn't classified as a motocross.

And having to lap probably 650 riders that aren't near as fast as you? Yes, a little experience passing in the sand from this race.

Two 30 minute motor plus 2 laps - sounds like a piece if cake in comparison.

Can't imagine the US rider that would even try this - of course there is a lot to risk with so many amateurs participating.

Being able to watch Supercross is still hours away.......

Monk wrote:

Yes it good—but also consider Nathan Watson (a offroad hard enduro rider) only finished a little over 2min behind him...that's impressive!

KX500 wrote:

Actually Watson won the 2018 race - Coldenhoff 2nd.

And Watson is from the UK, so probably not as much sand experience.

100%...

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6/2/2020 6:13 AM

Paul333 wrote:

Hint: It’s not rocket science. They are from Holland, that makes them Dutch. Holland is mostly sand. Hell, without constantly pumping & retainment walls much of dry Holland would be under water now. Hence they ride in sand everyday, grew up riding it everyday. The FIM/Youthstream helps them out by scheduling more sand track races, scheduling the MXDN at sand tracks as much as possible, and even if it’s scheduled at a non sand track they will bring in hundreds of dump trucks worth of sand.

See, it’s not hard.

Cortami79 wrote:

Lol, of the 20 rounds they have like 3/4 sand races. Valkenswaard (which is more hardpack than you think), Lommel, Assen, Kegums

fastchookracing wrote:

“Not hard”. Yeah righto

On a dry day it’s not as deep as it used to be.

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6/2/2020 9:54 AM
Edited Date/Time: 6/2/2020 9:54 AM

Paul333 wrote:

Hint: It’s not rocket science. They are from Holland, that makes them Dutch. Holland is mostly sand. Hell, without constantly pumping & retainment walls much of dry Holland would be under water now. Hence they ride in sand everyday, grew up riding it everyday. The FIM/Youthstream helps them out by scheduling more sand track races, scheduling the MXDN at sand tracks as much as possible, and even if it’s scheduled at a non sand track they will bring in hundreds of dump trucks worth of sand.

See, it’s not hard.

lol try again you missed

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6/2/2020 10:03 AM

Because they hold the throttle open longer than the other guys.

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6/2/2020 11:44 AM

KX500 wrote:

Actually Watson won the 2018 race - Coldenhoff 2nd.

And Watson is from the UK, so probably not as much sand experience.

Nathan Watson is one of the best sand riders in the world, he has won Le Touquet, RBKO, and the French beach race series, he should have had a good GP career but KTM wanted him as a factory Enduro rider instead.. he was part of the British team at the MXoN that took out 3rd podium in 3 years ,despite not racing MX in 4 seasons, in the deep sand of Assen. Behind Herlings and Coldenhoff, he is the next most impressive to watch. And believe it or not, we have sand in the UK too.. he grew up riding it, his dad Rob Meek is a 5 time Weston Super Mare beach race winner.

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6/2/2020 12:36 PM

Johnny Lock wrote:

Because they hold the throttle open longer than the other guys.

And some people say that they even use the brake much later than others. If they use it at all... tongue

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