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Let me preface this - I think taxation is out of control.
I think that since we have an income tax which leaves all of our money in our pockets already taxed, additional taxes of any kind seem absolutely outrageous to me.
So title fees, registration, sales tax, gas guzzler tax, fuel tax, property tax, school tax, on and on.
anyway the main question I have is why do dirtbikes need to be titled? Buy a new Mx bike from the dealer? Well, there’s an additional 500 or so in sales tax and titling fees. Sell that same bike a year later used, the next poor schmuck is paying those same fees again on the same bike. The gift that keeps on giving.
You can’t be charged with the same crime twice , but the same item sure can be taxed many times and in many different ways. And again you’re using taxed money to buy the items, then charged tax on the items; and then various fees such as titling fees which are just fancy ways of wording a tax with a piece of paper attached to it.
Are mountain bikes titled? Some of them cost more than a 450? Why not, no engines? Well are lawn mowers titled? No? Some of them cost 2x a 450?
Just seems odd to me! Anyone have insight besides the tax man wanting his cut.
Dirtbikes aren’t intended for the road in any way, except of course for dual sport style bikes, but those are completely separate from Mx bikes.
I think that since we have an income tax which leaves all of our money in our pockets already taxed, additional taxes of any kind seem absolutely outrageous to me.
So title fees, registration, sales tax, gas guzzler tax, fuel tax, property tax, school tax, on and on.
anyway the main question I have is why do dirtbikes need to be titled? Buy a new Mx bike from the dealer? Well, there’s an additional 500 or so in sales tax and titling fees. Sell that same bike a year later used, the next poor schmuck is paying those same fees again on the same bike. The gift that keeps on giving.
You can’t be charged with the same crime twice , but the same item sure can be taxed many times and in many different ways. And again you’re using taxed money to buy the items, then charged tax on the items; and then various fees such as titling fees which are just fancy ways of wording a tax with a piece of paper attached to it.
Are mountain bikes titled? Some of them cost more than a 450? Why not, no engines? Well are lawn mowers titled? No? Some of them cost 2x a 450?
Just seems odd to me! Anyone have insight besides the tax man wanting his cut.
Dirtbikes aren’t intended for the road in any way, except of course for dual sport style bikes, but those are completely separate from Mx bikes.
Starve the beast (although this will take awhile).
The Shop
Our government is a bloated inefficient monster that needs to be fed. Thank God that after 46 years in politics, Joe Biden is finally going to save us
No state income tax.
No sales tax.
Just like NY, right? Well, not exactly.
Interestingly, a few years back, WA started billing people who bought a used vehicle because they “underpaid” the title transfer fee when they bought the car/bike/etc for less than blue book. They got away with it until a mechanic got billed. He had bought his son a Honda car with a blown head gasket for cheap, then fixed it up for his kid to use at college. He took them to court and won with (among other things) his attorneys question to the State rep for DMV ...”You’re saying that folks are underpaying their transfer fees due to low purchase prices?” “Yes”. “How often have you refunded them when they’ve OVERPAID?”
“Uhhhhhhhhh”....
Even better - "How often have you refunded them when they’ve OVERPAID- with back INTEREST and PENALTIES from the over payment also applied and refunded?”
Pit Row
The other state’s dealers may be requiring titles for the financing company because the bike is technically their property and they’re letting you borrow it until you have paid for it. They want proof of ownership. Those same dealers will probably let you take the bike on an MSO if you buy it outright.
Asshole dealers may force you to title the bike so they can make a titling fee (usually less than $200 to the dealer) and don’t care if it tacks another $800 onto your otd price.
Multiple 4 wheelers, UTVs and bikes, zero issue paying cash and getting the MSO.
CRF50 he bought earlier this year, he got caught doing this by the state and received a letter in the mail that he had to title. $50 in taxes later he was good to go
His state is at least half off in taxes on big purchases (cars, boats, etc) which doesn't make it as bad.
Some states require tax on the aircraft when it’s brought into the state by the new owner, roughly equivalent to sales tax (my former C182 cost me 5K to bring into WA). Its based on purchase price.
What CA started doing was finding owners who brought their new (to them) aircraft into CA as a runout, then had it overhauled. They’d order them in with their aircraft’s logbooks, then force them to pay the difference in tax between what they paid, and what the aircraft was now worth with the new engine.
Regardless of party affiliation or beliefs, our government is the same type that our nation was formed to get away from. Maybe worse.
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