Why are There Towel Waving People Right by the Track?

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7/13/2017 9:28pm Edited Date/Time 7/13/2017 9:29pm
KDXGarage wrote:
Here is a great example of what I am talking about. Thanks to the photographer. [img]http://m2.i.pbase.com/o10/97/326897/1/165823092.upZwMglo.swwallpapers2003_A15F9841web.jpg[/img]
Here is a great example of what I am talking about.

Thanks to the photographer.

WTF is she doing? I wondered if that's what Tomac looked over to.
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We are asking the team member with track passes to stop waving towels. It's confusing, especially when the towels are yellow like a team gave out...
We are asking the team member with track passes to stop waving towels. It's confusing, especially when the towels are yellow like a team gave out yesterday. It was a small thing a couple seasons back but it's turned into a spectacle and we're trying to reel it back in.

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Tell them to stop - don't ask them.

You're the Boss, DC.

They've done it for years - that gives them no right to continue to do so. Get team members / rider family members, back behind the fences, and only in designated signalling areas.
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7/13/2017 10:30pm Edited Date/Time 7/13/2017 10:36pm
KDXGarage wrote:
Here is a great example of what I am talking about. Thanks to the photographer. [img]http://m2.i.pbase.com/o10/97/326897/1/165823092.upZwMglo.swwallpapers2003_A15F9841web.jpg[/img]
Here is a great example of what I am talking about.

Thanks to the photographer.

I've only seen this picture on my phone so far - it looks weird. The Bikes / riders are huge, yet backgrounded to Mathilde( Looks like her), and she looks tiny - like a strangely endowed 7 year old.

Photoshopped?

But, undoubtedly, she's pictured on the dirt, and I've seen her ( and plenty of other GFs / spouses besides courses), many times. Though bulltacogeuse's picture from behind the riders show her there. Cripes she looks tiny, but other pictures of her have never shown her to be that Lilliputian.

Once again, she shouldn't be out there - back in pit row, or a designated signalling area. She's a cool young lady, but not part of the race.

It just makes it so 'amateur hour', and I've had many friends / family members that are not particularly interested in the sport, when watching with me, asking why 'towellies' and others are allowed out on the courses.
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KDXGarage wrote:
Here is a great example of what I am talking about. Thanks to the photographer. [img]http://m2.i.pbase.com/o10/97/326897/1/165823092.upZwMglo.swwallpapers2003_A15F9841web.jpg[/img]
Here is a great example of what I am talking about.

Thanks to the photographer.

Bearuno wrote:
I've only seen this picture on my phone so far - it looks weird. The Bikes / riders are huge, yet backgrounded to Mathilde( Looks like...
I've only seen this picture on my phone so far - it looks weird. The Bikes / riders are huge, yet backgrounded to Mathilde( Looks like her), and she looks tiny - like a strangely endowed 7 year old.

Photoshopped?

But, undoubtedly, she's pictured on the dirt, and I've seen her ( and plenty of other GFs / spouses besides courses), many times. Though bulltacogeuse's picture from behind the riders show her there. Cripes she looks tiny, but other pictures of her have never shown her to be that Lilliputian.

Once again, she shouldn't be out there - back in pit row, or a designated signalling area. She's a cool young lady, but not part of the race.

It just makes it so 'amateur hour', and I've had many friends / family members that are not particularly interested in the sport, when watching with me, asking why 'towellies' and others are allowed out on the courses.
I agree completely that she should not be there and can you imagine the uproar if she got hit by a bike. You can get away with this at a local race even though its just as unsafe there but this just looks unprofessional at a national event.

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2017


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2015

and just since it struck me as odd, she is wearing the same skirt in a 2015 pic, too:

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It just looks so backwoods too.....

And how is it reasonable that some riders are allowed to have support crew and girlfriends/wives roaming the entire track and others are not ?

Exactly what is that status called, and where are the guidelines that define it?

Is it a contract dollar amount? Energy drink sponsorship?

Is there a password or a secret handshake?
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Let me play devils advocate here. I hate and have always hated what "insurance" rules tell us we must do to make tracks legal. Solid fence posts with metal fencing penning the evil spectators 15-25 ft. back from the tracks edge seriously detract from the sport of decades ago.

Everyone was waving towels and throwing water on riders on hot days; it was awesome to be a fan or a rider. Now it is so homogenized and sanitized it's just not the same sport except for local tracks that haven't knuckled under to AMA rules.





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7/15/2017 5:23pm Edited Date/Time 7/15/2017 5:31pm


Fantastic track prep here.

And get off my grass dammit.
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http://www.motohistory.net/news2012/news-dec12.html

Tom Mueller:

"One thing I can state clearly about those earlier days of American motocross - the action was up close and personal for both the media and fans.

Check out this shot of Broc Glover putting a bead on Steve Wise, as the pair snakes through a slight right hander. Two greats in the sport, Glover went on to multiple championships and Wise became a flat track and road racing star.

As a journalist for Cycle News, I had full reign on every track and was allowed to shoot from any vantage point available. And the fans? Well, they had almost the same opportunity. I guess being a foot in front of the fence is better than a foot behind it, correct? It's fortunate there weren't more collisions in those days. Mix alcohol and spectating and it's probable a drunk could dart across the track at any moment.

But as I often profess, that was then, and this is now. As facilities progressed, the sport attained a higher level of restricted access to "hot" areas. Corporate sponsors and VIP suites became the order of the day. Modern motocross isn't better or worse, it's just different. That's a good thing to remember when we reminisce and remember.
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7/15/2017 5:51pm
Bearuno wrote:
I've only seen this picture on my phone so far - it looks weird. The Bikes / riders are huge, yet backgrounded to Mathilde( Looks like...
I've only seen this picture on my phone so far - it looks weird. The Bikes / riders are huge, yet backgrounded to Mathilde( Looks like her), and she looks tiny - like a strangely endowed 7 year old.

Photoshopped?

But, undoubtedly, she's pictured on the dirt, and I've seen her ( and plenty of other GFs / spouses besides courses), many times. Though bulltacogeuse's picture from behind the riders show her there. Cripes she looks tiny, but other pictures of her have never shown her to be that Lilliputian.

Once again, she shouldn't be out there - back in pit row, or a designated signalling area. She's a cool young lady, but not part of the race.

It just makes it so 'amateur hour', and I've had many friends / family members that are not particularly interested in the sport, when watching with me, asking why 'towellies' and others are allowed out on the courses.
Something interesting just happened. I was reading this thread and was thinking about this comment and so I opened my NBC GOLD app on my phone and went to about 26:30 of southwick moto2. Paused on a frame of Matilde in that corner (reverse angle from where that picture was taken) and tried to screenshot it but a message came up saying " screenshot prevented by security policy". So thats interesting.
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7/15/2017 11:06pm
I can see her on a Youtube video, so she was really there.
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KDXGarage wrote:
I can see her on a Youtube video, so she was really there.
I can see her on a Youtube video, so she was really there.
I have no doubt she was there.

I was commenting about the strangeness, to me, of the picture itself. As I said, the bikes and riders are quite large, yet they are in the background, and she, in the relative foreground, is tiny.

Perhaps there are lenses that can do these types of things - hell there's now helmet cams that enable you to choose the vision you can see when you replay them.Woohoo

Mathilde seems a wonderful Woman, dedicated her her husband and his career, and she's no Trophy Wife that has hooked onto a star. But she, and so many others should not be out there - just officials / medical attendants and certified Media, that take on the risk themselves (the media guys).
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KDXGarage wrote:
2017 [img]https://motocrossactionmag.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/205A1366.jpg[/img] 2016 [img]https://www.dirtrider.com/sites/dirtrider.com/files/styles/medium_1x_/public/images/2016/08/musquin-5.jpg[/img] 2015 [img]http://www.dirtrider.com/sites/dirtrider.com/files/styles/large_1x_/public/muddycreek-practice-0610-version-2.jpg[/img] 2015 [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/users/64/photos/83752/s1200_052515pb014.jpg[/img] and just since it struck me as odd, she is wearing the same skirt in a 2015 pic...
2017


2016


2015


2015

and just since it struck me as odd, she is wearing the same skirt in a 2015 pic, too:

shes sponoed by KTM - wife gear deal
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7/16/2017 6:38am
KDXGarage wrote:
2017 [img]https://motocrossactionmag.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/205A1366.jpg[/img] 2016 [img]https://www.dirtrider.com/sites/dirtrider.com/files/styles/medium_1x_/public/images/2016/08/musquin-5.jpg[/img] 2015 [img]http://www.dirtrider.com/sites/dirtrider.com/files/styles/large_1x_/public/muddycreek-practice-0610-version-2.jpg[/img] 2015 [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/users/64/photos/83752/s1200_052515pb014.jpg[/img] and just since it struck me as odd, she is wearing the same skirt in a 2015 pic...
2017


2016


2015


2015

and just since it struck me as odd, she is wearing the same skirt in a 2015 pic, too:

68 wrote:
shes sponoed by KTM - wife gear deal
Vital experts say it's impossible to get red bull stuff if you are not a sponsored team member ,athleteGrinningGrinning , or you will get in trouble by wearing it.
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KDXGarage wrote:
2017 [img]https://motocrossactionmag.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/205A1366.jpg[/img] 2016 [img]https://www.dirtrider.com/sites/dirtrider.com/files/styles/medium_1x_/public/images/2016/08/musquin-5.jpg[/img] 2015 [img]http://www.dirtrider.com/sites/dirtrider.com/files/styles/large_1x_/public/muddycreek-practice-0610-version-2.jpg[/img] 2015 [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/users/64/photos/83752/s1200_052515pb014.jpg[/img] and just since it struck me as odd, she is wearing the same skirt in a 2015 pic...
2017


2016


2015


2015

and just since it struck me as odd, she is wearing the same skirt in a 2015 pic, too:

KTM only makes one Unisex Reversable Orange Skirt!
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Bearuno, your reply made me wonder about it, so I went looking. Your post made me think HMMM for a minute.

Swann, I think he was looking over because his tire washed out a bit RIGHT before this pic. You can see it on the video.

Our local-est track does not allow people out by the track because someone got hit and his leg broken. The 50 parents can get out there for that race, and that is it.
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kkawboy14 wrote:
KTM only makes one Unisex Reversable Orange Skirt!
That was funny! Grinning
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I think the riders gfs and wives should be allowed on the track ONLY if they wear the proper string bikinis Cool
7/16/2017 12:21pm
KDXGarage wrote:
I can see her on a Youtube video, so she was really there.
I can see her on a Youtube video, so she was really there.
Bearuno wrote:
I have no doubt she was there. I was commenting about the strangeness, to me, of the picture itself. As I said, the bikes and riders...
I have no doubt she was there.

I was commenting about the strangeness, to me, of the picture itself. As I said, the bikes and riders are quite large, yet they are in the background, and she, in the relative foreground, is tiny.

Perhaps there are lenses that can do these types of things - hell there's now helmet cams that enable you to choose the vision you can see when you replay them.Woohoo

Mathilde seems a wonderful Woman, dedicated her her husband and his career, and she's no Trophy Wife that has hooked onto a star. But she, and so many others should not be out there - just officials / medical attendants and certified Media, that take on the risk themselves (the media guys).
BearoneBro...

I totally get ya. My personal belief is that photo is fake. Like you, I have no doubt she was there, but I think someone has an axe to grind and used photoshop to put a fine edge on that axe.
7/16/2017 12:26pm
Let me play devils advocate here. I hate and have always hated what "insurance" rules tell us we must do to make tracks legal. Solid fence...
Let me play devils advocate here. I hate and have always hated what "insurance" rules tell us we must do to make tracks legal. Solid fence posts with metal fencing penning the evil spectators 15-25 ft. back from the tracks edge seriously detract from the sport of decades ago.

Everyone was waving towels and throwing water on riders on hot days; it was awesome to be a fan or a rider. Now it is so homogenized and sanitized it's just not the same sport except for local tracks that haven't knuckled under to AMA rules.





Johnny DBro, I hear ya. That's how it was in California during the 1970s. We were right on top of the action. I remember being at Mammoth in the late 1970s and being right on the edge of the track on the uphill start. Can't do that anymore.

I was there last summer for the race - hadn't been since the late 1970s - and was fairly startled at the difference in areas to spectate. Should not have been, but I was.

I miss those days when we were right on the edge of the track. I still get to do that at my local track here in Florida, and I don't miss a chance.
7/16/2017 12:29pm Edited Date/Time 7/16/2017 12:31pm
Let me play devils advocate here. I hate and have always hated what "insurance" rules tell us we must do to make tracks legal. Solid fence...
Let me play devils advocate here. I hate and have always hated what "insurance" rules tell us we must do to make tracks legal. Solid fence posts with metal fencing penning the evil spectators 15-25 ft. back from the tracks edge seriously detract from the sport of decades ago.

Everyone was waving towels and throwing water on riders on hot days; it was awesome to be a fan or a rider. Now it is so homogenized and sanitized it's just not the same sport except for local tracks that haven't knuckled under to AMA rules.





By the way, hate to acknowledge I noticed this, but that dude in the top picture, second from right, has got a set of hooters on him that could use a bra, bro. You know...a Manssiere.
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BearoneBro... I totally get ya. My personal belief is that photo is fake. Like you, I have no doubt she was there, but I think someone...
BearoneBro...

I totally get ya. My personal belief is that photo is fake. Like you, I have no doubt she was there, but I think someone has an axe to grind and used photoshop to put a fine edge on that axe.
No way that is photoshopped, bro. Look closer...




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7/16/2017 1:31pm Edited Date/Time 7/16/2017 1:35pm
This is a screenshot from the NBC Gold replay of the backside of that pass, in that corner at 26:48 in.



In the pic above, that Swann posted, the shadows from the bike are on one side, and hers is on the other.

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7/16/2017 2:08pm Edited Date/Time 7/16/2017 2:14pm
kzizok wrote:
This is a screenshot from the NBC Gold replay of the backside of that pass, in that corner at 26:48 in. [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2017/07/16/205081/s1200_IMG_3549.jpg[/img] In the pic above...
This is a screenshot from the NBC Gold replay of the backside of that pass, in that corner at 26:48 in.



In the pic above, that Swann posted, the shadows from the bike are on one side, and hers is on the other.

I didn't notice the direction of the shadows. If you look closely, you can see that Chris Christie's shadow is going in the same direction as Tomac and Marvin but Mathilde's shadow is going the other way. MathildeGate has just begun...


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[img]http://www.motohistory.net/images/glover_and_wise.jpg[/img] http://www.motohistory.net/news2012/news-dec12.html Tom Mueller: "One thing I can state clearly about those earlier days of American motocross - the action was up close and personal for...


http://www.motohistory.net/news2012/news-dec12.html

Tom Mueller:

"One thing I can state clearly about those earlier days of American motocross - the action was up close and personal for both the media and fans.

Check out this shot of Broc Glover putting a bead on Steve Wise, as the pair snakes through a slight right hander. Two greats in the sport, Glover went on to multiple championships and Wise became a flat track and road racing star.

As a journalist for Cycle News, I had full reign on every track and was allowed to shoot from any vantage point available. And the fans? Well, they had almost the same opportunity. I guess being a foot in front of the fence is better than a foot behind it, correct? It's fortunate there weren't more collisions in those days. Mix alcohol and spectating and it's probable a drunk could dart across the track at any moment.

But as I often profess, that was then, and this is now. As facilities progressed, the sport attained a higher level of restricted access to "hot" areas. Corporate sponsors and VIP suites became the order of the day. Modern motocross isn't better or worse, it's just different. That's a good thing to remember when we reminisce and remember.
What I would kill to experience this type of Moto, the real Moto. My dad tells me stories about backing his truck up to the track at the top of the hill at Hangtown, hard to imagine as I try to find a vantage point not blocked by a vendor tent or bs VIP area. . .

This is why I always think you have to be careful with how "mainstream" things get, because once you sell out there's no going back. What looks more fun to spectate at, the race above or a race today?
7/16/2017 2:24pm
Swann wrote:
No way that is photoshopped, bro. Look closer... [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2017/07/16/205071/s1200_mathildegate.jpg[/img]
No way that is photoshopped, bro. Look closer...




You just blew my mind!
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7/16/2017 2:39pm
KDXGarage wrote:
Here is a great example of what I am talking about. Thanks to the photographer. [img]http://m2.i.pbase.com/o10/97/326897/1/165823092.upZwMglo.swwallpapers2003_A15F9841web.jpg[/img]
Here is a great example of what I am talking about.

Thanks to the photographer.

Swann wrote:
WTF is she doing? I wondered if that's what Tomac looked over to.
Here is a shot after going past her,I'm not sure if he was looking at her or looking to see if there was a problem a couple turns ahead.

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kzizok wrote:
This is a screenshot from the NBC Gold replay of the backside of that pass, in that corner at 26:48 in. [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2017/07/16/205081/s1200_IMG_3549.jpg[/img] In the pic above...
This is a screenshot from the NBC Gold replay of the backside of that pass, in that corner at 26:48 in.



In the pic above, that Swann posted, the shadows from the bike are on one side, and hers is on the other.

Swann wrote:
I didn't notice the direction of the shadows. If you look closely, you can see that Chris Christie's shadow is going in the same direction as...
I didn't notice the direction of the shadows. If you look closely, you can see that Chris Christie's shadow is going in the same direction as Tomac and Marvin but Mathilde's shadow is going the other way. MathildeGate has just begun...


And so it begins.....LaughingLaughing

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