Why are IV's banned?

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9/6/2018 8:27 PM

Just watching the eagles/falcons game and they just said on the broadcast that so and so player just went in and go an IV and now they're back and ready to play. Why is it such a no-no in moto but yet football its like a casual drink between plays?

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9/6/2018 8:30 PM

If you absolutely need an IV, you are not fit to race the second moto for safety reasons. Also, it would be a disadvantage to those that don't have the means to receive an IV at the track.

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9/6/2018 8:31 PM

Trevor91 wrote:

Just watching the eagles/falcons game and they just said on the broadcast that so and so player just went in and go an IV and now they're back and ready to play. Why is it such a no-no in moto but yet football its like a casual drink between plays?

What?

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9/6/2018 8:37 PM

Squirrelings wrote:

If you absolutely need an IV, you are not fit to race the second moto for safety reasons. Also, it would be a disadvantage to those that don't have the means to receive an IV at the track.

Well, then how about the disadvantages of not having factory suspension, factory tires etc. That's not fair either, but they allow that.

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9/6/2018 8:44 PM

Premixed112 wrote:

Well, then how about the disadvantages of not having factory suspension, factory tires etc. That's not fair either, but they allow that.

I don't make the rules bud. Simply repeating what has been said in the past as reasons why they aren't allowed.

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9/6/2018 8:54 PM

Squirrelings wrote:

If you absolutely need an IV, you are not fit to race the second moto for safety reasons. Also, it would be a disadvantage to those that don't have the means to receive an IV at the track.

Not trying to pick a fight with you but you'd be surprise the "fit" guys getting IV's in between motos back in the day.

Sorry but your statement doesn't hold water.

As for the part about it being a disadvantage...you barely redeemed yourself. hahaha

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9/6/2018 8:57 PM

IVs arent allowed in many sports. Too many ways to cheat and dilute out drugs in the bloodstream.
Especially in sports with weight divisions.

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My post is my opinion. If you don't agree with it, I'm OK with it.

9/6/2018 8:58 PM

Squirrelings wrote:

If you absolutely need an IV, you are not fit to race the second moto for safety reasons. Also, it would be a disadvantage to those that don't have the means to receive an IV at the track.

Zaugg wrote:

Not trying to pick a fight with you but you'd be surprise the "fit" guys getting IV's in between motos back in the day.

Sorry but your statement doesn't hold water.

As for the part about it being a disadvantage...you barely redeemed yourself. hahaha

I wouldn't be surprised at all.

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9/6/2018 8:58 PM

The NFL has their own drug testing and rules that do not have anything to do with the WADA/USADA testing and rules.

That’s why a first positive test for PEDs is 4 games, not a career.

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9/6/2018 9:00 PM

4 games is a joke for them

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9/6/2018 9:01 PM

Very touchy subject in this sport. If it's for fluid's only , I wish they would allow it. Pushing a person to 90%- 100% bpm + for 35mins in 100 degree weather can deplete the hell out of any athlete , on any given day. I don't want to start a fight , but this is one thing I really wish our sport would allow. Agree with that , or don't....up to you.

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And there goes Jeffro. One of God's own prototypes. A super high-powered mutant of some kind never even considered for mass production. Too weird to live, and too rare to die.

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9/6/2018 9:02 PM
Edited Date/Time: 9/6/2018 9:02 PM

Best way to hydrate is via the gut anyway. Best way to feed is via the gut. IVF are unnecessary.

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9/6/2018 9:03 PM

Best way to hydrate is via the gut anyway. Best way to feed is via the gut. IVF fluids are unnecessary.

You’ll have uneducated yo-yos diluting themselves out and dropping like flies due to electrolyte imbalances.

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GP740
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9/6/2018 9:05 PM

Moto96 wrote:

IVs arent allowed in many sports. Too many ways to cheat and dilute out drugs in the bloodstream.
Especially in sports with weight divisions.

Nonsense. Doing an iv on race day isn't even close to what an athlete can do during the week. An iv on race day will do little to no good at all at masking things they look for.

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And there goes Jeffro. One of God's own prototypes. A super high-powered mutant of some kind never even considered for mass production. Too weird to live, and too rare to die.

Pimpin' Ho's , Rollin' fatty's......drinkin' beers , beers , beers!! ~ Ja

9/6/2018 9:17 PM
Edited Date/Time: 9/6/2018 9:20 PM

jeffro503 wrote:

Very touchy subject in this sport. If it's for fluid's only , I wish they would allow it. Pushing a person to 90%- 100% bpm + for 35mins in 100 degree weather can deplete the hell out of any athlete , on any given day. I don't want to start a fight , but this is one thing I really wish our sport would allow. Agree with that , or don't....up to you.

"Pushing a person to 90%- 100% bpm + for 35mins in 100 degree weather can deplete the hell out of any athlete , on any given day."

ummm...nobody is forcing any rider to ride. It is their choice alone, and if some people can get by better than others in the heat etc, than that's the way it should be. It's called nature and the survival of the fittest, or the smartest. It would also be ridiculously unfair to the riders that can get by better than others in the heat if they allowed the others to artificially hydrate etc. If they do that then they have to allow the riders that don't need artificial hydration to blood dope so there will be about the same gap in physical performance/endurance between the 2 that there was before the pansies artificially hydrated.

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9/6/2018 9:20 PM

Artificially hydrating is not the same as blood doping. But I get your point.

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And there goes Jeffro. One of God's own prototypes. A super high-powered mutant of some kind never even considered for mass production. Too weird to live, and too rare to die.

Pimpin' Ho's , Rollin' fatty's......drinkin' beers , beers , beers!! ~ Ja

9/6/2018 9:27 PM

Squirrelings wrote:

If you absolutely need an IV, you are not fit to race the second moto for safety reasons. Also, it would be a disadvantage to those that don't have the means to receive an IV at the track.

Zaugg wrote:

Not trying to pick a fight with you but you'd be surprise the "fit" guys getting IV's in between motos back in the day.

Sorry but your statement doesn't hold water.

As for the part about it being a disadvantage...you barely redeemed yourself. hahaha

Squirrelings wrote:

I wouldn't be surprised at all.

"Not trying to pick a fight with you but you'd be surprise the "fit" guys getting IV's in between motos back in the day."

Exactly which "fit" motocross racers were getting iv's between races and how do you know that for a fact?

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9/6/2018 9:30 PM

jeffro503 wrote:

Nonsense. Doing an iv on race day isn't even close to what an athlete can do during the week. An iv on race day will do little to no good at all at masking things they look for.

You might want to do some research. The IV Rule is quite clear.

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My post is my opinion. If you don't agree with it, I'm OK with it.

9/6/2018 9:33 PM

Technically to get an IV you need somebody to prescribe it. It's illegal because whoever started it probably bent some rules to do it. Even though I have heard of nurses doing it to each other to prevent a hang over after a hard night of partying....

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9/6/2018 9:34 PM

GeorgiePorgie wrote:

Best way to hydrate is via the gut anyway. Best way to feed is via the gut. IVF fluids are unnecessary.

You’ll have uneducated yo-yos diluting themselves out and dropping like flies due to electrolyte imbalances.

They just need banana bags!!!

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9/6/2018 9:44 PM

smashingpumpkins167 wrote:

Technically to get an IV you need somebody to prescribe it. It's illegal because whoever started it probably bent some rules to do it. Even though I have heard of nurses doing it to each other to prevent a hang over after a hard night of partying....

I’ve heard that quite a bit. Kind of a waste of perfectly good resources isn’t it? I know you’re in that field of weird so I’m curious as to what you think about some nurses doing that.

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9/6/2018 9:46 PM

GeorgiePorgie wrote:

Best way to hydrate is via the gut anyway. Best way to feed is via the gut. IVF fluids are unnecessary.

You’ll have uneducated yo-yos diluting themselves out and dropping like flies due to electrolyte imbalances.

I didn't see your post Georgie , but I would definitely take your word for it.

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And there goes Jeffro. One of God's own prototypes. A super high-powered mutant of some kind never even considered for mass production. Too weird to live, and too rare to die.

Pimpin' Ho's , Rollin' fatty's......drinkin' beers , beers , beers!! ~ Ja

9/6/2018 9:50 PM
Edited Date/Time: 9/6/2018 9:51 PM

smashingpumpkins167 wrote:

Technically to get an IV you need somebody to prescribe it. It's illegal because whoever started it probably bent some rules to do it. Even though I have heard of nurses doing it to each other to prevent a hang over after a hard night of partying....

I have some ski patrol buddies who used them after partying. Whoever was in rough shape was on dispatch with a line in. This was at a very big resort. I don't have a problem with IVF, as long as the person knows what they are doing.

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9/6/2018 10:05 PM

barnett468 wrote:

"Pushing a person to 90%- 100% bpm + for 35mins in 100 degree weather can deplete the hell out of any athlete , on any given day."

ummm...nobody is forcing any rider to ride. It is their choice alone, and if some people can get by better than others in the heat etc, than that's the way it should be. It's called nature and the survival of the fittest, or the smartest. It would also be ridiculously unfair to the riders that can get by better than others in the heat if they allowed the others to artificially hydrate etc. If they do that then they have to allow the riders that don't need artificial hydration to blood dope so there will be about the same gap in physical performance/endurance between the 2 that there was before the pansies artificially hydrated.

This logic can, of course, be taken further. Contacts and glasses not allowed? No laser eye surgery? No tinted lenses? You can't handle the sun you suffer ! No knee braces either for you weak kneed pukes that can't hang. Roczen, go retire with your inferior wrist brace hand! If you can't get by, that's the way it should be. Also, no taping sensitive nipples either grin

Where do you draw the line? An IV is just putting in fluids that others are drinking. Some folks do have malabsorption issues and cannot get enough fluids though their gut no matter how much they drink, I guess we should allow them to get a prescription and a TUE for IV's.......

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9/6/2018 10:09 PM

jeffro503 wrote:

Very touchy subject in this sport. If it's for fluid's only , I wish they would allow it. Pushing a person to 90%- 100% bpm + for 35mins in 100 degree weather can deplete the hell out of any athlete , on any given day. I don't want to start a fight , but this is one thing I really wish our sport would allow. Agree with that , or don't....up to you.

barnett468 wrote:

"Pushing a person to 90%- 100% bpm + for 35mins in 100 degree weather can deplete the hell out of any athlete , on any given day."

ummm...nobody is forcing any rider to ride. It is their choice alone, and if some people can get by better than others in the heat etc, than that's the way it should be. It's called nature and the survival of the fittest, or the smartest. It would also be ridiculously unfair to the riders that can get by better than others in the heat if they allowed the others to artificially hydrate etc. If they do that then they have to allow the riders that don't need artificial hydration to blood dope so there will be about the same gap in physical performance/endurance between the 2 that there was before the pansies artificially hydrated.

FGR01 wrote:

This logic can, of course, be taken further. Contacts and glasses not allowed? No laser eye surgery? No tinted lenses? You can't handle the sun you suffer ! No knee braces either for you weak kneed pukes that can't hang. Roczen, go retire with your inferior wrist brace hand! If you can't get by, that's the way it should be. Also, no taping sensitive nipples either grin

Where do you draw the line? An IV is just putting in fluids that others are drinking. Some folks do have malabsorption issues and cannot get enough fluids though their gut no matter how much they drink, I guess we should allow them to get a prescription and a TUE for IV's.......

yup so just let everybody blood dope and take steroids. i like that logic, lol.

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9/6/2018 10:16 PM

barnett468 wrote:

"Pushing a person to 90%- 100% bpm + for 35mins in 100 degree weather can deplete the hell out of any athlete , on any given day."

ummm...nobody is forcing any rider to ride. It is their choice alone, and if some people can get by better than others in the heat etc, than that's the way it should be. It's called nature and the survival of the fittest, or the smartest. It would also be ridiculously unfair to the riders that can get by better than others in the heat if they allowed the others to artificially hydrate etc. If they do that then they have to allow the riders that don't need artificial hydration to blood dope so there will be about the same gap in physical performance/endurance between the 2 that there was before the pansies artificially hydrated.

FGR01 wrote:

This logic can, of course, be taken further. Contacts and glasses not allowed? No laser eye surgery? No tinted lenses? You can't handle the sun you suffer ! No knee braces either for you weak kneed pukes that can't hang. Roczen, go retire with your inferior wrist brace hand! If you can't get by, that's the way it should be. Also, no taping sensitive nipples either grin

Where do you draw the line? An IV is just putting in fluids that others are drinking. Some folks do have malabsorption issues and cannot get enough fluids though their gut no matter how much they drink, I guess we should allow them to get a prescription and a TUE for IV's.......

barnett468 wrote:

yup so just let everybody blood dope and take steroids. i like that logic, lol.

Well, I never suggested that but I did ask where you draw the line so I guess that is your answer. That, and we'll have to revoke Doug Henry's titles that he earned with IV's before they were banned.

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9/6/2018 10:31 PM
Edited Date/Time: 9/6/2018 10:33 PM

FGR01 wrote:

Well, I never suggested that but I did ask where you draw the line so I guess that is your answer. That, and we'll have to revoke Doug Henry's titles that he earned with IV's before they were banned.

No you didn't suggest that, but since you obviously didn't understand why they shouldn't be allowed after reading my previous post, i figured a different approach might make sense to you, but obviously not, so you can now continue to hold on to your opinion fully intact.

As far as making rules retroactive and applying them to to the past, that is about as ludicrous and illogical and as pointless a statement that I have read in a very long time.

Instead of pointlessly trying to debate this issue with others, I suggest you simply write the racing organization and petition them to allow iv's, because complaining about it on an internet forum certainly won't change the organizations mind although I guess it might make you feel a little better...for a while anyway.

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9/6/2018 10:50 PM

smashingpumpkins167 wrote:

Technically to get an IV you need somebody to prescribe it. It's illegal because whoever started it probably bent some rules to do it. Even though I have heard of nurses doing it to each other to prevent a hang over after a hard night of partying....

tcallahan707 wrote:

I have some ski patrol buddies who used them after partying. Whoever was in rough shape was on dispatch with a line in. This was at a very big resort. I don't have a problem with IVF, as long as the person knows what they are doing.

I was in Vegas last weekend, they actually have a service that you can pay for and they come to your hotel and give you an IV cocktail to help get rid of your hangover....lol

Or they have a mobile one that's basically a limo bus that you jump and they take you for a drive around Vegas while getting a few IV's.

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9/6/2018 10:53 PM

I've listened to a few of Joe Rogan's podcasts when he's had Jeff Novitzky who works for the UFC on talking about how in the past athletes could use IV's to help mask the use of PED's. So that's why they are banned.

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9/6/2018 11:03 PM

They should be allowed in the medical tent for riders that have suffered or are near dehydration. That way they can monitor what’s going into the riders. I don’t think the riders should be allowed to have their own team administer them.

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