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It's funny reading through the 2 stroke pipe test dirt rider did back in 2003, Bills pipes weren't the highest rated pipe on any of the bikes tested. Seemed to fall off up top. Seems the newer pipes are a bit better though. I've seen good reviews on the newer ktm 2 strokes
I brought all three pipe set ups to the track (sand) FMF, pro circuit and bills. I decided on bills, for that bike.
One problem I had was the silencer did not last. Cores would break, went through 3 in one year. They replaced them and each one seemed to have a "redesign" but lacked one thing I thought was needed. Grommet isolators (rubber mounts), for vibration which the 2013 had PLENTY of.
I have a 2017 250sx and I bet the bills system would be great for it because the bike has very little vibration.
The Shop
After no more than a couple of hours ride time the flange broke away from the pipe. I’ve contacted them and they suggested I send it back (I’m in uk so that’s not going to happen) for them to “see the pipe in person” and then they would repair with a new flange.
I’ll post pictures below, but the piece of steel that broke was 0.5mm thick!!! Safe to say this will be the first and last Bill’s pipe we run.
If you're in the UK, where did you buy it from?
Doc Wob- Return it to him, its his problem, he's obliged to sort it out.
If you bought it direct from the USA- All warranty issues go back to where you bought it. Then realise that's the price for not supporting the UK market.
I had a problem with another brand pipe in the past, they sent me a new one out next day and the faulty one collected. Had Doc Wob/Bill’s sent me a new pipe (which I believe they should) this post would of been a lot different and maybe people wouldn’t have to worry about the quality of Bills pipes before purchasing one.
For anyone considering a Bill’s I’d suggest you look elsewhere. The quality of their pipes is poor with aftersales to match.
Your complaint is with the UK distributor- not Bill's. (failure issue aside)
Im confident Bill would look at your pipe and replace it, but likely he doesn't even know about your problem. The UK distributor should be trying harder for you- but cannot be bothered by the sounds of it.
Your contract was with Doc Wob. All warranty issues should be directed to him. If you're dissatisfied with the response you get, take it further- trading standards etc.. Wouldn't hurt to contact Bill Cervera direct and talk to him about your issues and your dealings with the UK distributor too. I bet you'll come back with a much more cheery response.
I’m confident the issue with the pipe is a one off as the rest of the pipe is put together and fits on the bike perfectly.
It’s just a shame Doc Wob and now Bill’s couldn’t deal with the problem a little better.
Many people arent aware when bills the company went away - they were still around welding stampings for other companies including PC
Its hard to be a player in this industry with lots of competition - and frankly relatively low sales numbers - but bills does killer stuff with real testing and r&d before a product is released.
Their current crf250r pipes are best ive tested vs competition, and yz250f system is only one Ive seen nice solid gains on vs the “big 3”
Their ktm 250f system is also a good performer vs whats most commonly used - and sounds wicked while at it
Their 2 Stroke stuff has always spoken for itself
Pit Row
like a pipe for my RM250 and my sons 65
Last pipe I bought for my RM250, I discussed it with a guy called Brandon, not sure if he is that Brandon.
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