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About riders not having heart?
Because Dowd and Robbie Marshall made people look stupid at a sand race? You guys are discrediting those guys SO much by saying the rest don't have heart or weren't giving it their all.
Which riders look like aren't giving it their all? Really? I watched Reed, who wrapped up the championship almost go 1-1 yesterday and he didn't because he ATE SHIT while pushing it while out in front when he didn't need to.
I really don't see any "rockstar" rider out there just riding around, Maybe J-law? Seriously... name a rider who you think is out there just collecting a paycheck... A majority of them are riding injured or are just coming back, or just had bad luck. Tyla Rattray, not have heart? The guy broke his thumb a few weeks ago. Dungey? Weimer? Metcalfe? Tell me who?
Don't start this "I have worked 70 to 80 hours a week and blah blah blah" It isn't the same. Training, injuries, and twisting the throttle is so much different then mental stress of a job and long hours, Alan as a trainer you know that better than anyone....
You guys want to get on Byrner's case for what? The guy tied for the overall yesterday. He hasn't put a whole year together without getting hurt, maybe he backed it down knowing he was getting through the weekend safe and injury free, Reed nearly didn't. So what if Dowd passed him. Have you not all learned by now that Dowd id super human at Southwick and always has been? Did you watch it on TV and see his lines and riding style was COMPLETELY different then everybody else's? The guy is fit and knows how to twist the throttle, ESPECIALLY at the wick!
Bottom line is all this talk is coming because John Dowd waxed them yesterday? Newsflash!!! John Dowd would have WAXED ANYBODY yesterday in the world at that track and blaming the other riders for their lack of heart contributing to his good finish is a slap in his face and Georke's and Marshall's.
Because Dowd and Robbie Marshall made people look stupid at a sand race? You guys are discrediting those guys SO much by saying the rest don't have heart or weren't giving it their all.
Which riders look like aren't giving it their all? Really? I watched Reed, who wrapped up the championship almost go 1-1 yesterday and he didn't because he ATE SHIT while pushing it while out in front when he didn't need to.
I really don't see any "rockstar" rider out there just riding around, Maybe J-law? Seriously... name a rider who you think is out there just collecting a paycheck... A majority of them are riding injured or are just coming back, or just had bad luck. Tyla Rattray, not have heart? The guy broke his thumb a few weeks ago. Dungey? Weimer? Metcalfe? Tell me who?
Don't start this "I have worked 70 to 80 hours a week and blah blah blah" It isn't the same. Training, injuries, and twisting the throttle is so much different then mental stress of a job and long hours, Alan as a trainer you know that better than anyone....
You guys want to get on Byrner's case for what? The guy tied for the overall yesterday. He hasn't put a whole year together without getting hurt, maybe he backed it down knowing he was getting through the weekend safe and injury free, Reed nearly didn't. So what if Dowd passed him. Have you not all learned by now that Dowd id super human at Southwick and always has been? Did you watch it on TV and see his lines and riding style was COMPLETELY different then everybody else's? The guy is fit and knows how to twist the throttle, ESPECIALLY at the wick!
Bottom line is all this talk is coming because John Dowd waxed them yesterday? Newsflash!!! John Dowd would have WAXED ANYBODY yesterday in the world at that track and blaming the other riders for their lack of heart contributing to his good finish is a slap in his face and Georke's and Marshall's.
Short has health issues they keep referencing and who knows, maybe he has more heart than everybody to even be out there?
Moss took a nap at Colorado and was sat down by his team to let his head heal, after coming back for SX after what 6 weeks or so with a BROKEN BACK?
Should we keep going?
Rattray just came back with a broken thumb, Metcalfe had his collarbone sugicaly repaired and had complications all the way up until Glen Helen,
Milsaps..... Hamblin came on here a couple days ago and told everyone that DV18 can't turn his head side to side without it LOCKING up due to the neck injury he sustained at Sacramento... No heart?
If your comp is bad, then are you truly good? One defines the other and home track advantage is HUGE when the home track is NOTHING like any track you race on for 11 other weeks!
BobbyM said it the best... JS should thank CR because without CR, this Supercross Championship would not have meant as much to him!!! Because 1 defines the other!
without Reed in SX the overall championship stigma may have been different. BUt all this talk abot riders not having heart is mind boggling.
do you think for a minute they aren't all aware of the current state of the economy and the lack of rides available for next year? You really think these guys are just rolling over?
I wish our sport was more like NFL or MLB where injuries are fully acknowledged and openly talked about. We see a couple guys get some bad finishes and we jump on them for not haveing heart or not trying. Fact is, we have no idea what is going on.
You're only as good as your last race!
The Shop
On top of that, let's examine it from the corporate level, where the money comes from, the guys they pay truckloads of money to got beat by not only a guy old enough to be their rider's father (on an OEM bike), they also got beat by a kid who's a "part timer" on a factory bike with limited testing and saddle time on it....which by the way makes Matt's win all the more impressive.
Yes, we have bad days and we have bad races, understandable, but look at the big picture here and how yesterday would reflect upon your company, team and riders, as an OEM.
and before you say anymore, you tell me how Mitch would've reacted if he had a 450 team and that had happened to his team.
You both know damn well as I do that he would not just let it slide and say nothing and blow it all off as another day at the track.
byrner did great last week and is doing great all season actually. 500guy was just talking shit and trying to make a point. byrner is one of the few guys that deserve a factory ride at this point imho
And Georke, He isn't a "part timer"- fact is he has been around for a long time a few years and is fast as you know know what! He was fastest qualifier at Unadilla, he has had great finishes and flashes of brilliance all year. And where is he from? Florida? hmmm seems to me Florida guys kick ass in the sand too.. huh. Or is that just my imagination? But he kicks ass everywhere, wasn;t he running up front at Washougal?
He put one together yesterday! Kudos to him!
Not getting into a pissing match with your stubborn ass that is for sure!
Maybe I should have taken an ad out in cycle news explaining what I was going through?
BTW- I like Dave, 500guy and MXTrainer... this isn't personal just a difference of opinion. I guess my "heart" is with the riders....
You just can't honestly excuse some of the seasons more than a few riders have had.
Milsaps admitted during SX that he was over it and not training hard and that's just one of them.
When you have a year that riders don't race and a hand full of top riders are injured and not racing, the level of comp just is not going to be there. We are two races from the end of the 2009 Outdoor series and most of the National Pro Riders are over it and they go to Southwick and it showed. This is why there has been so much talk Regis, because guys that are still out there racing weren't giving as much effort as they should have and it showed. Effort is one thing that a racer can't hide.
It isn't the riders have no heart...
Its the internet twits mostly have no fucking idea...
Pit Row
Ya gotta have heart to get there.
Once you are there ....39 of you are gonna get a knife stuck through it.
Keep on giving the kids pay cuts to save the Japanese companies who now sell you bikes for $7,200
You guy's are fucking jokers.
1. Ricky Carmichael (2-1)
2. Chad Reed (1-2)
3. John Dowd (3-3)
4. Kevin Windham (4-4)
5. Doug Henry (6-6)
6. Nick Wey (8-5)
7. Travis Preston (9-7)
8. Ernesto Fonseca (7-11)
9. Ryan Clark (13-9)
10. Juss Laansoo (10-12)
11. Jeff Dement (16-8)
12. David Vuillemin (5-27)
13. Jason Thomas (14-15)
14. Michael Byrne (33-10)
15. Scott Carter (17-14)
16. Timmy Ferry (11-24)
17. Jeff Alessi (12-31
18. Cole Siebler (30-13)
19. Heath Voss (15-33)
20. Justin Buckelew (21-16)
John Dowd is just bad-ass in the sand. Period. He'll still be bad-ass at 50.
Also, he raced his first race at 20 years old, so he's only 24 years from his first race. Kevin Windham has been racing longer. In terms of racing age, he's not that old.
A.) because everyone will just say its an excuse they arent up where they normally are and are pussies
B.) because if they announced every time they got hurt they might get labled as a medical case that cant stay healthy
C.) because everyone that matters as far as hiring KNOWS the riders are in a state of "dinged" up majority of the time and know who has heart and is gutting out 10th place finishes when they normally are easy top 5. so why announce it?
D.) because mx is a HUGE mental game. If we are both the same speed, and I KNOW I can beat you, and you are HOPING you can beat me, Im going to win 99% of the time. So, if you KNOW you can beat 35 of the riders every week, and announce you cant hardly lift your leg, you could let it slip into someones mind that they can NOW beat you and your in trouble because you are actually hurt, so now a guy you beat thats the same speed knows your not up to code and there is another spot gone while your gutting out a ride.
E.) you dont say your hurt because then you wont be a man... thats how it is in this sport.
Maybe give some thought to your post before you go play arm chair psychologist and rail all the factory guys.
I didn't, so piss off.
Rarely, if ever, do I comment on rider performances, but I think people are missing the point of my comments, which is the appearance of this weekend's results on the teams and riders.
Go back and re-read my comments in both threads where I said "look at the big picture here and how yesterday would reflect upon your company, team and riders, as an OEM. " or similar.
I never pointed out any specific team or rider, and I also acknowledged that people have bad days and some are injured.
So maybe people might want to consider not READING INTO what is written and actually read the words that are written.
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