Which 250F would suit me best? Tall Vet

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9/6/2020 1:05 PM

So after 18 years of racing and at the ripe old age of 37 I've had experience of most bikes available. In fact the only displacement I haven't had is a 500 2 stroke! One day maybe. I've mainly raced 450s, but have had plenty of 125s, a few 250f, and most recently a 16 YZ250 and now a 17 KTM SXF 350.

Ive found the 350 to be hard to get to grips with, as it doesn't have the torque of the 450, but when you get on the gas it's lightening fast, maybe too much for me in most situations. So I find myself not really feeling comfortable.

I rode a couple of bikes yesterday to see what they were like compared with the 350. First up was a 20.5 KTM SXF 450 Factory Edition, and that thing was nice to ride but the monster torque was just way too much in tighter slower sections. Most tracks I ride are fairly tight.
I then tried a 19 KXF250 which I found really fun. I could clear the jumps no problem, just had to rev a bit more. It cornered well, not great, and the suspension was OK. Trouble is it felt absolutely tiny, and way too small for my 6ft4 170lb frame.

I've had various 250F over the years, and most recently was a 15 KTM SXF 250. That thing was real fast for a 250 and good fun. Also didn't feel too small at all. My current 350 has a powerparts tall seat and Renthal 997 bars, which makes the bike real high, although maybe too high for some corners.

So after my waffling above, I'm asking what 250F around 2018 - 2019 would have the better low end power, sharp cornering, good suspension, and be better suited to taller guys?

I'm an intermediate level rider, back of A or front of B class

Cheers

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UK Vet rider - 2020 KX450

9/6/2020 1:19 PM

Grovesy98 wrote:

So after 18 years of racing and at the ripe old age of 37 I've had experience of most bikes available. In fact the only displacement I haven't had is a 500 2 stroke! One day maybe. I've mainly raced 450s, but have had plenty of 125s, a few 250f, and most recently a 16 YZ250 and now a 17 KTM SXF 350.

Ive found the 350 to be hard to get to grips with, as it doesn't have the torque of the 450, but when you get on the gas it's lightening fast, maybe too much for me in most situations. So I find myself not really feeling comfortable.

I rode a couple of bikes yesterday to see what they were like compared with the 350. First up was a 20.5 KTM SXF 450 Factory Edition, and that thing was nice to ride but the monster torque was just way too much in tighter slower sections. Most tracks I ride are fairly tight.
I then tried a 19 KXF250 which I found really fun. I could clear the jumps no problem, just had to rev a bit more. It cornered well, not great, and the suspension was OK. Trouble is it felt absolutely tiny, and way too small for my 6ft4 170lb frame.

I've had various 250F over the years, and most recently was a 15 KTM SXF 250. That thing was real fast for a 250 and good fun. Also didn't feel too small at all. My current 350 has a powerparts tall seat and Renthal 997 bars, which makes the bike real high, although maybe too high for some corners.

So after my waffling above, I'm asking what 250F around 2018 - 2019 would have the better low end power, sharp cornering, good suspension, and be better suited to taller guys?

I'm an intermediate level rider, back of A or front of B class

Cheers

19 or newer rmz250, or a Yamaha yz250f.

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9/6/2020 1:29 PM
Edited Date/Time: 9/6/2020 1:32 PM

Yamaha

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9/6/2020 1:32 PM

The Yamaha or your favorite flavor of Austrian would be my suggestion. If you are keeping the 350 might as well go Austrian to keep the same chassis, be able to swap wheels, etc. 19-21 have the same frame/chassis.

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9/6/2020 1:35 PM

I'll be selling the 350, but do have quite a few parts that would transfer over to the 250. I like the sound of the Yamaha, but after looking at a few at the track they look tiny like the kxf, but with wide rad scoops that look real out of place

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UK Vet rider - 2020 KX450

9/6/2020 1:39 PM

Husqvarna fc 450 power delivery is so easy to control and it turns on a dime. Why buy a 250 or 350 when you can have the best. All joking aside , honestly the fc 450 has such an easy to control Power delivery And has enough when you need it.

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9/6/2020 1:42 PM

The 450 is the easy button for sure, but it's awfully fun to wring the neck of a small bore. I'm still harboring some 125 lust...

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9/6/2020 1:44 PM

Michael_Winter wrote:

Husqvarna fc 450 power delivery is so easy to control and it turns on a dime. Why buy a 250 or 350 when you can have the best. All joking aside , honestly the fc 450 has such an easy to control Power delivery And has enough when you need it.

Cheers, I've done years on 450s and to be honest I get pretty bored riding them now. I raced a 2018 Kxf450 for a year and had some great results, even won an open vet race. Size wise that bike was absolutely perfect, but it felt heavy and tired me out pretty fast. I was considering another 450, but the fun factor just isn't enough when I'm riding smaller tracks that suit smaller bikes better

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UK Vet rider - 2020 KX450

9/6/2020 1:49 PM

BikePilot wrote:

The 450 is the easy button for sure, but it's awfully fun to wring the neck of a small bore. I'm still harboring some 125 lust...

I do love a 125. I've had quite a few and have so much fun on them, but get too frustrated racing open class. The YZ250 I had from May 19 to June 20 was absolutely awesome fun, but I went back 4 stroke as I just couldn't get technical or big jumps right on it like I can a 4 stroke

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UK Vet rider - 2020 KX450

9/6/2020 1:57 PM

We need a vet 125 class! I think it'd attract lots of people. Of of us who grew up on 125s are vet age (or senior!) now.

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9/6/2020 2:52 PM

Go sit on all of them ..
. Years ago i raced a friends ktm450, I was told I made it look like a supermini ... 6'2" vet ... and yes it was cramped.

I like Yamaha and Suzuki, they seem to "fit" best.

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9/6/2020 4:59 PM

Doesn't the '21 kx250 get the 450 chassis? That is generally considered one of the roomier 450s, especially with the adjustable footpegs.

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9/6/2020 5:17 PM

Sounds to me like you'd love a newer YZ250F. They are tall and you can get a taller seat if need be as they have been trying to make the bike smaller the last few years. The engine is incredible for a 250F and has serious bottom grunt, perfect for tighter tracks. And the tuning app is just too cool.

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Powerband in every gear !

9/7/2020 6:39 AM

KTM 150

Paw Paw

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9/7/2020 6:47 AM

Yamaha.

I think so because I'm opposite of you... I'm 5' 6" and Yamaha is the most uncomfortable and "big" feeling for me. I get along great on Kawasaki and I do well enough on KTM's. In spite of the KTM's on-paper height, they sag enough and the cockpit is small enough that I feel comfortable.

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2015 Kawasaki KX 250F
2015 GasGas TXT Racing 125
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9/7/2020 6:49 AM

Im 6'4'' 33 and have a 2018 KX250F. Adjustable bars and pegs are a darn nice feature. Power wise its plenty for a professional practice rider. You may be able to get a deal on a 2020 if you are cool with a kickstarter still.

Depending on your weight the RMZ and KXF may need less suspension work as they come pretty over sprung for the typical 250f rider.

Go sit on all of them and see what you think. Im a long time Honda fanboy but can't deny that the KXF chassis 17-2020 just "fits me".

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9/7/2020 8:34 AM

Cheers guys. I've never sat on a newer YZF, I had a 04 YZF250 back in 06, and a few YZ125s and a YZ250. My mate has a 14 YZF250 and says it feels heavy and wide.

As I said above I rode a 19 KXF 250 on Saturday and it just felt way too small for me, even though it had already had the pegs lowered and bars forward. My 18 KXF 450 felt great, but not the 250.

Id like to sit on a YZF but to be honest I'm not sure I dig the weird airbox/exhaust setup, it just bugs me laughing

What's the CRF250 like size wise? I hear they have a poor bottom end but handle on rails

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UK Vet rider - 2020 KX450

9/7/2020 8:43 AM

The latest generation Yamaha’s have more compact ergonomics but the myth about them being good only for taller/bigger riders is still being perpetuated. They are now more comparable to the other brands and, in fact there are some that have a significantly more roomy cockpit than the Yamaha’s.

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9/7/2020 8:47 AM

That being said, a taller rider can certainly adapt to the new Yamaha’s just fine. My advice would be to avoid going the tall seat and bars route on whatever bike you get.

If you are not only taller, but heavier than average, the reliable power of the Yamaha should be a factor to consider.

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9/7/2020 8:59 AM

WhatsStoppingU wrote:

That being said, a taller rider can certainly adapt to the new Yamaha’s just fine. My advice would be to avoid going the tall seat and bars route on whatever bike you get.

If you are not only taller, but heavier than average, the reliable power of the Yamaha should be a factor to consider.

Thanks. I do have the tall seat and bars in my 350 now, and it feels great everywhere apart from tight corners. I'm tall but skinny, and weigh 170lb

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UK Vet rider - 2020 KX450

9/7/2020 9:01 AM

I’d wait till 2022 to get the Honda if you go red.

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