Where is Savatgy mentally now?

Phillip_Lamb
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6/4/2018 11:13pm
We talk about the mental state of riders in the sport a lot. Confidence in your program and the bike are huge evidenced by the many times riders site making changes to what they do during the week or changes to a bike setting.

Since 2016 when savatgy melted his lead in the outdoors, which is when i would say he was at an high all time high in confidence, he has slipped further down the hill mentally. 2017 I feel he was just holding on knowing he should be up top but only to lose at the end and outdoors being having all sorts of highs and lows.

needing to secure a contract for 450's and coupled with a 'relatively' mediocre SX season and a rough start to outdoors, he has to be struggling to show up at this point.

To me his attempt to pull the outside start at Lakewood shows more of a move of desperation rather than a move of confidence knowing his strengths at this track would carry him through the pack.

He's a good guy and i was rooting for him to win SX but his current path seems destined for more struggle
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6/4/2018 11:19pm
Please dear God get rid of that beard that makes him look like a Troll equivalent. Sorry, someone needed to say it.
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6/5/2018 12:57am
I don't think he's still suffering from the SX championship drama. I'm sure it was devastating at the time, but one regional SX title does not make or break a career. Plenty of guys have shown that. Getting 3 or 4 titles throughout an entire 250 career would be a different story obviously.

The problem for him is he's likely in the 'boring' category like so many others when you look at his value for the 450 class. He's in line with Grant, Bogle, Wilson, etc. He'll definitely show flashes of brilliance but will he contend for titles? not likely.
6/5/2018 1:04am
The whole crew needs a shot in the arm....I suggest a motivational team-building visit to Hooters.

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6/5/2018 2:23am
Please dear God get rid of that beard that makes him look like a Troll equivalent. Sorry, someone needed to say it.
Exactly!
6/5/2018 2:31am
He reminds me so much of dungey, but dungey mental toughness is what made dungey the champion that he is.
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6/5/2018 4:54am
I think he needs a change big time. New trainers, new team etc. Distance himself from all the problems and what not hes had
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6/5/2018 5:04am
Please dear God get rid of that beard that makes him look like a Troll equivalent. Sorry, someone needed to say it.
You should drink some monster, bro. Unleash the beast.
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6/5/2018 5:08am
I would love to see him on a solid 450 program. I have a completely random inkling he may replace Bogle at JGR
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6/5/2018 5:25am Edited Date/Time 6/5/2018 5:28am
The whole crew needs a shot in the arm....I suggest a motivational team-building visit to Hooters.
This, and stop by Costco on the way to pick up a 24 pack of paper towels
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6/5/2018 5:27am
Please dear God get rid of that beard that makes him look like a Troll equivalent. Sorry, someone needed to say it.
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6/5/2018 5:34am
The whole crew needs a shot in the arm....I suggest a motivational team-building visit to Hooters.
This, the Hooters Hex is still in effect.
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6/5/2018 6:02am
Needs a change would be cool to see him on tld or star
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6/5/2018 6:15am
Hooters 2016. Add that to your poll.
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6/5/2018 6:19am
Fearo wrote:
I don't think he's still suffering from the SX championship drama. I'm sure it was devastating at the time, but one regional SX title does not...
I don't think he's still suffering from the SX championship drama. I'm sure it was devastating at the time, but one regional SX title does not make or break a career. Plenty of guys have shown that. Getting 3 or 4 titles throughout an entire 250 career would be a different story obviously.

The problem for him is he's likely in the 'boring' category like so many others when you look at his value for the 450 class. He's in line with Grant, Bogle, Wilson, etc. He'll definitely show flashes of brilliance but will he contend for titles? not likely.
"1 regional SX title does not make or break a career" better hide that fact from the Mookie fan boys on here
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6/5/2018 7:17am
mb wrote:
Hooters 2016. Add that to your poll.
Paper towel disaster 2016
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6/5/2018 7:26am
Kyle_McNab wrote:
Needs a change would be cool to see him on tld or star
He pointed out, off to the 450 class now.
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6/5/2018 7:31am
He needs to mentally change his thought process from “WE” to “I”.... until he realizes it’s himself out there not a village he might start doing better.
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6/5/2018 8:26am
Kyle_McNab wrote:
Needs a change would be cool to see him on tld or star
ML512 wrote:
He pointed out, off to the 450 class now.
Ya I know I was more saying this season. Don’t really understand why he pointed out before AP but hopefully he does well in 450s

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6/5/2018 9:26am
His riding was on point at Lakewood. Fastest qualifier, should have won first moto, good comeback ride from the crash in the first turn in 2nd moto. He can take that away as positives.

To me, from what any of us can see from the outside, he just does not seem to be enjoying things at the races. He's always super-hard on himself even when he's on the podium. Some of that for sure is the "Meanie Jeannie" effect, pretty sure training down there turns into some weird form of Stockholm Syndrome.
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6/5/2018 10:12am
With the contract structure at PC, paying for wins and podiums, does Mitch owe Savatgy some money for a mechanical DNF based on the circumstances as to when the bike expired?
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6/5/2018 10:20am
mxtech1 wrote:
With the contract structure at PC, paying for wins and podiums, does Mitch owe Savatgy some money for a mechanical DNF based on the circumstances as...
With the contract structure at PC, paying for wins and podiums, does Mitch owe Savatgy some money for a mechanical DNF based on the circumstances as to when the bike expired?
Probably not.
6/5/2018 10:26am
He just needs to get out of the 250 class. He's chasing the little golden snitch that is in the 250 class, you get close to it and next thing you know you're spending your entire career in the class. He needs to be on a 450 next year (I'm pretty sure he pointed out, but I'm not positive). He has a smooth riding style with good technique, and the 450 will probably suit him well.
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6/5/2018 10:51am
Kyle_McNab wrote:
Ya I know I was more saying this season. Don’t really understand why he pointed out before AP but hopefully he does well in 450s
He pointed out because he just finished his 6th year in SX. 2013-2018.

AP just finished his 4th season in SX.

that's besides the whole points threshold deal
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6/5/2018 11:00am
mxtech1 wrote:
With the contract structure at PC, paying for wins and podiums, does Mitch owe Savatgy some money for a mechanical DNF based on the circumstances as...
With the contract structure at PC, paying for wins and podiums, does Mitch owe Savatgy some money for a mechanical DNF based on the circumstances as to when the bike expired?
I think the best thing would be for mitch to include a little extra money for his next win as a “sorry”.
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6/5/2018 11:53am
mxtech1 wrote:
With the contract structure at PC, paying for wins and podiums, does Mitch owe Savatgy some money for a mechanical DNF based on the circumstances as...
With the contract structure at PC, paying for wins and podiums, does Mitch owe Savatgy some money for a mechanical DNF based on the circumstances as to when the bike expired?
kb228 wrote:
I think the best thing would be for mitch to include a little extra money for his next win as a “sorry”.
Then Savatgy should kick back money to pro circuit every time he falls or has a brain fart .Evil if that was the case he would be riding for free or even owe Mitch money.
6/5/2018 12:42pm
He reminds me so much of dungey, but dungey mental toughness is what made dungey the champion that he is.
To be fair Dungey wasn't always the mentally tough champion that we saw win the 2017 SX series, in his early years as a pro he seemed to be easily rattled, i.e JLaw 2008. He obviously overcame that and became one of the best ever but my point is there is still plenty of time for Savatgy to learn from these things and be better for it.
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6/5/2018 1:23pm Edited Date/Time 6/5/2018 1:57pm
He's mentally right up there with Einstein.
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6/5/2018 1:59pm
mxtech1 wrote:
With the contract structure at PC, paying for wins and podiums, does Mitch owe Savatgy some money for a mechanical DNF based on the circumstances as...
With the contract structure at PC, paying for wins and podiums, does Mitch owe Savatgy some money for a mechanical DNF based on the circumstances as to when the bike expired?
kb228 wrote:
I think the best thing would be for mitch to include a little extra money for his next win as a “sorry”.
lostboy819 wrote:
Then Savatgy should kick back money to pro circuit every time he falls or has a brain fart .:evil: if that was the case he would...
Then Savatgy should kick back money to pro circuit every time he falls or has a brain fart .Evil if that was the case he would be riding for free or even owe Mitch money.
His wrecks are his own doing. He can wreck all he wants and is still going to get his base salary, which we are told is structured on the low side. It is an incentive based system.

When you are leading and about to win a moto in a convincing manner and the bike lets go, that's a different conversation that directly relates to lost earnings. I would love to see the clause in the contract that discusses mechanical failures Smile
6/5/2018 3:41pm Edited Date/Time 6/5/2018 3:43pm
He hasn’t been the same since Osborne stole his lunch money in Vegas

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