Wheelie Boys Threads

tcallahan707 wrote:

There's obviously a line somewhere when it comes to violence and thinly veiled racism. Where that line is, I'm not quite sure. At vital, maybe it's...

There's obviously a line somewhere when it comes to violence and thinly veiled racism. Where that line is, I'm not quite sure. At vital, maybe it's at zero tolerance. I can understand wanting to avoid some venom that will inevitably be spewed because well, this is the internet and these are keyboard warriors. But in the real world, responding with the appropriate amount of force to counter a negative situation and calling a spade a spade needs to be socially acceptable.

The problem is that if it's not acceptable to discuss online, it'll never be acceptable to do in real life. Also, by tossing any new threads, information about thefts and a growing wheelie boyz presence is not passed on. The result is more unsuspecting victims and a lack of public pressure to mitigate the problem.

This is my opinion. It's different than yours. I hope that's not enough of a reason to be clipped.

tcallahan707 wrote:

There's obviously a line somewhere when it comes to violence and thinly veiled racism. Where that line is, I'm not quite sure. At vital, maybe it's...

There's obviously a line somewhere when it comes to violence and thinly veiled racism. Where that line is, I'm not quite sure. At vital, maybe it's at zero tolerance. I can understand wanting to avoid some venom that will inevitably be spewed because well, this is the internet and these are keyboard warriors. But in the real world, responding with the appropriate amount of force to counter a negative situation and calling a spade a spade needs to be socially acceptable.

The problem is that if it's not acceptable to discuss online, it'll never be acceptable to do in real life. Also, by tossing any new threads, information about thefts and a growing wheelie boyz presence is not passed on. The result is more unsuspecting victims and a lack of public pressure to mitigate the problem.

This is my opinion. It's different than yours. I hope that's not enough of a reason to be clipped.

tcallahan707 wrote:

There's obviously a line somewhere when it comes to violence and thinly veiled racism. Where that line is, I'm not quite sure. At vital, maybe it's...

There's obviously a line somewhere when it comes to violence and thinly veiled racism. Where that line is, I'm not quite sure. At vital, maybe it's at zero tolerance. I can understand wanting to avoid some venom that will inevitably be spewed because well, this is the internet and these are keyboard warriors. But in the real world, responding with the appropriate amount of force to counter a negative situation and calling a spade a spade needs to be socially acceptable.

The problem is that if it's not acceptable to discuss online, it'll never be acceptable to do in real life. Also, by tossing any new threads, information about thefts and a growing wheelie boyz presence is not passed on. The result is more unsuspecting victims and a lack of public pressure to mitigate the problem.

This is my opinion. It's different than yours. I hope that's not enough of a reason to be clipped.

JRT812 wrote:

It appears it is at zero tolerance. My take away is calling a spade a spade is acceptable if done appropriately and it should not be...

It appears it is at zero tolerance. My take away is calling a spade a spade is acceptable if done appropriately and it should not be left up to Vital to determine the appropriate amount of force to counter a negative situation.

tcallahan707 wrote:

There's obviously a line somewhere when it comes to violence and thinly veiled racism. Where that line is, I'm not quite sure. At vital, maybe it's...

There's obviously a line somewhere when it comes to violence and thinly veiled racism. Where that line is, I'm not quite sure. At vital, maybe it's at zero tolerance. I can understand wanting to avoid some venom that will inevitably be spewed because well, this is the internet and these are keyboard warriors. But in the real world, responding with the appropriate amount of force to counter a negative situation and calling a spade a spade needs to be socially acceptable.

The problem is that if it's not acceptable to discuss online, it'll never be acceptable to do in real life. Also, by tossing any new threads, information about thefts and a growing wheelie boyz presence is not passed on. The result is more unsuspecting victims and a lack of public pressure to mitigate the problem.

This is my opinion. It's different than yours. I hope that's not enough of a reason to be clipped.

JRT812 wrote:

It appears it is at zero tolerance. My take away is calling a spade a spade is acceptable if done appropriately and it should not be...

It appears it is at zero tolerance. My take away is calling a spade a spade is acceptable if done appropriately and it should not be left up to Vital to determine the appropriate amount of force to counter a negative situation.

Acidreamer wrote:

It has to be zero tolerance to keep a healthy community. Allowing racism is a sure fire way to kill this forum.

Roostermx58 wrote:

The thread I started wasn't a wheelie boys thread however it was a thread bringing general awareness that dealerships are having a hard time securing their...

The thread I started wasn't a wheelie boys thread however it was a thread bringing general awareness that dealerships are having a hard time securing their assets and was recognized on national news. Whether it was wheelie boys stealing these bikes or just a thief that turns around and sells them for straight profit couldn't be determine from those surveillance videos. Not sure why it was axed but again I don't make the rules around here. Just trying to contribute to Vital.

JRT812 wrote:

It wasn't axed and only moved to the dumb area. Appreciate the awareness!

tcallahan707 wrote:

There's obviously a line somewhere when it comes to violence and thinly veiled racism. Where that line is, I'm not quite sure. At vital, maybe it's...

There's obviously a line somewhere when it comes to violence and thinly veiled racism. Where that line is, I'm not quite sure. At vital, maybe it's at zero tolerance. I can understand wanting to avoid some venom that will inevitably be spewed because well, this is the internet and these are keyboard warriors. But in the real world, responding with the appropriate amount of force to counter a negative situation and calling a spade a spade needs to be socially acceptable.

The problem is that if it's not acceptable to discuss online, it'll never be acceptable to do in real life. Also, by tossing any new threads, information about thefts and a growing wheelie boyz presence is not passed on. The result is more unsuspecting victims and a lack of public pressure to mitigate the problem.

This is my opinion. It's different than yours. I hope that's not enough of a reason to be clipped.

JRT812 wrote:

It appears it is at zero tolerance. My take away is calling a spade a spade is acceptable if done appropriately and it should not be...

It appears it is at zero tolerance. My take away is calling a spade a spade is acceptable if done appropriately and it should not be left up to Vital to determine the appropriate amount of force to counter a negative situation.

tcallahan707 wrote:

There's obviously a line somewhere when it comes to violence and thinly veiled racism. Where that line is, I'm not quite sure. At vital, maybe it's...

There's obviously a line somewhere when it comes to violence and thinly veiled racism. Where that line is, I'm not quite sure. At vital, maybe it's at zero tolerance. I can understand wanting to avoid some venom that will inevitably be spewed because well, this is the internet and these are keyboard warriors. But in the real world, responding with the appropriate amount of force to counter a negative situation and calling a spade a spade needs to be socially acceptable.

The problem is that if it's not acceptable to discuss online, it'll never be acceptable to do in real life. Also, by tossing any new threads, information about thefts and a growing wheelie boyz presence is not passed on. The result is more unsuspecting victims and a lack of public pressure to mitigate the problem.

This is my opinion. It's different than yours. I hope that's not enough of a reason to be clipped.

tcallahan707 wrote:

There's obviously a line somewhere when it comes to violence and thinly veiled racism. Where that line is, I'm not quite sure. At vital, maybe it's...

There's obviously a line somewhere when it comes to violence and thinly veiled racism. Where that line is, I'm not quite sure. At vital, maybe it's at zero tolerance. I can understand wanting to avoid some venom that will inevitably be spewed because well, this is the internet and these are keyboard warriors. But in the real world, responding with the appropriate amount of force to counter a negative situation and calling a spade a spade needs to be socially acceptable.

The problem is that if it's not acceptable to discuss online, it'll never be acceptable to do in real life. Also, by tossing any new threads, information about thefts and a growing wheelie boyz presence is not passed on. The result is more unsuspecting victims and a lack of public pressure to mitigate the problem.

This is my opinion. It's different than yours. I hope that's not enough of a reason to be clipped.

disbanded wrote:

I think the problem here is that it is not a real discussion, nor is it the place to have the discussion, because you get more...

I think the problem here is that it is not a real discussion, nor is it the place to have the discussion, because you get more of a one-sided rant, bordering on straight up racism.

What is the point of having the discussion here except to anger people and get a rise out of them?

You know the answers you are going to get when you post something like that here. It never changes...

tcallahan707 wrote:

There's obviously a line somewhere when it comes to violence and thinly veiled racism. Where that line is, I'm not quite sure. At vital, maybe it's...

There's obviously a line somewhere when it comes to violence and thinly veiled racism. Where that line is, I'm not quite sure. At vital, maybe it's at zero tolerance. I can understand wanting to avoid some venom that will inevitably be spewed because well, this is the internet and these are keyboard warriors. But in the real world, responding with the appropriate amount of force to counter a negative situation and calling a spade a spade needs to be socially acceptable.

The problem is that if it's not acceptable to discuss online, it'll never be acceptable to do in real life. Also, by tossing any new threads, information about thefts and a growing wheelie boyz presence is not passed on. The result is more unsuspecting victims and a lack of public pressure to mitigate the problem.

This is my opinion. It's different than yours. I hope that's not enough of a reason to be clipped.

disbanded wrote:

I think the problem here is that it is not a real discussion, nor is it the place to have the discussion, because you get more...

I think the problem here is that it is not a real discussion, nor is it the place to have the discussion, because you get more of a one-sided rant, bordering on straight up racism.

What is the point of having the discussion here except to anger people and get a rise out of them?

You know the answers you are going to get when you post something like that here. It never changes...

tcallahan707 wrote:

There's obviously a line somewhere when it comes to violence and thinly veiled racism. Where that line is, I'm not quite sure. At vital, maybe it's...

There's obviously a line somewhere when it comes to violence and thinly veiled racism. Where that line is, I'm not quite sure. At vital, maybe it's at zero tolerance. I can understand wanting to avoid some venom that will inevitably be spewed because well, this is the internet and these are keyboard warriors. But in the real world, responding with the appropriate amount of force to counter a negative situation and calling a spade a spade needs to be socially acceptable.

The problem is that if it's not acceptable to discuss online, it'll never be acceptable to do in real life. Also, by tossing any new threads, information about thefts and a growing wheelie boyz presence is not passed on. The result is more unsuspecting victims and a lack of public pressure to mitigate the problem.

This is my opinion. It's different than yours. I hope that's not enough of a reason to be clipped.

JRT812 wrote:

It appears it is at zero tolerance. My take away is calling a spade a spade is acceptable if done appropriately and it should not be...

It appears it is at zero tolerance. My take away is calling a spade a spade is acceptable if done appropriately and it should not be left up to Vital to determine the appropriate amount of force to counter a negative situation.

tcallahan707 wrote:

By the nature of zero tolerance, calling a spade a spade is never acceptable or appropriate. That doesn't mean I'm an advocate of anything goes, because...

By the nature of zero tolerance, calling a spade a spade is never acceptable or appropriate. That doesn't mean I'm an advocate of anything goes, because there's always going to be a few that can't be reasonable.

Also, I agree that Vital isn't the place to decide what level of force is acceptable. We aren't law enforcement. I just don't like the PCness that comes with making people feel like they are wrong for desiring consequences and/or deterrent for these people. Again, I don't know where the line is drawn.

tcallahan707 wrote:

There's obviously a line somewhere when it comes to violence and thinly veiled racism. Where that line is, I'm not quite sure. At vital, maybe it's...

There's obviously a line somewhere when it comes to violence and thinly veiled racism. Where that line is, I'm not quite sure. At vital, maybe it's at zero tolerance. I can understand wanting to avoid some venom that will inevitably be spewed because well, this is the internet and these are keyboard warriors. But in the real world, responding with the appropriate amount of force to counter a negative situation and calling a spade a spade needs to be socially acceptable.

The problem is that if it's not acceptable to discuss online, it'll never be acceptable to do in real life. Also, by tossing any new threads, information about thefts and a growing wheelie boyz presence is not passed on. The result is more unsuspecting victims and a lack of public pressure to mitigate the problem.

This is my opinion. It's different than yours. I hope that's not enough of a reason to be clipped.

disbanded wrote:

I think the problem here is that it is not a real discussion, nor is it the place to have the discussion, because you get more...

I think the problem here is that it is not a real discussion, nor is it the place to have the discussion, because you get more of a one-sided rant, bordering on straight up racism.

What is the point of having the discussion here except to anger people and get a rise out of them?

You know the answers you are going to get when you post something like that here. It never changes...

tcallahan707 wrote:

There's obviously a line somewhere when it comes to violence and thinly veiled racism. Where that line is, I'm not quite sure. At vital, maybe it's...

There's obviously a line somewhere when it comes to violence and thinly veiled racism. Where that line is, I'm not quite sure. At vital, maybe it's at zero tolerance. I can understand wanting to avoid some venom that will inevitably be spewed because well, this is the internet and these are keyboard warriors. But in the real world, responding with the appropriate amount of force to counter a negative situation and calling a spade a spade needs to be socially acceptable.

The problem is that if it's not acceptable to discuss online, it'll never be acceptable to do in real life. Also, by tossing any new threads, information about thefts and a growing wheelie boyz presence is not passed on. The result is more unsuspecting victims and a lack of public pressure to mitigate the problem.

This is my opinion. It's different than yours. I hope that's not enough of a reason to be clipped.

disbanded wrote:

I think the problem here is that it is not a real discussion, nor is it the place to have the discussion, because you get more...

I think the problem here is that it is not a real discussion, nor is it the place to have the discussion, because you get more of a one-sided rant, bordering on straight up racism.

What is the point of having the discussion here except to anger people and get a rise out of them?

You know the answers you are going to get when you post something like that here. It never changes...

BobPA wrote:

I do not remember reading anything about race in the previous thread. Unless you can be racist against thieves? Sounds to me like you are trying...

I do not remember reading anything about race in the previous thread. Unless you can be racist against thieves? Sounds to me like you are trying to bring the racist card into a discussion which, surprisingly, had not mentioned anything about it.

tcallahan707 wrote:

There's obviously a line somewhere when it comes to violence and thinly veiled racism. Where that line is, I'm not quite sure. At vital, maybe it's...

There's obviously a line somewhere when it comes to violence and thinly veiled racism. Where that line is, I'm not quite sure. At vital, maybe it's at zero tolerance. I can understand wanting to avoid some venom that will inevitably be spewed because well, this is the internet and these are keyboard warriors. But in the real world, responding with the appropriate amount of force to counter a negative situation and calling a spade a spade needs to be socially acceptable.

The problem is that if it's not acceptable to discuss online, it'll never be acceptable to do in real life. Also, by tossing any new threads, information about thefts and a growing wheelie boyz presence is not passed on. The result is more unsuspecting victims and a lack of public pressure to mitigate the problem.

This is my opinion. It's different than yours. I hope that's not enough of a reason to be clipped.

JRT812 wrote:

It appears it is at zero tolerance. My take away is calling a spade a spade is acceptable if done appropriately and it should not be...

It appears it is at zero tolerance. My take away is calling a spade a spade is acceptable if done appropriately and it should not be left up to Vital to determine the appropriate amount of force to counter a negative situation.

tcallahan707 wrote:

By the nature of zero tolerance, calling a spade a spade is never acceptable or appropriate. That doesn't mean I'm an advocate of anything goes, because...

By the nature of zero tolerance, calling a spade a spade is never acceptable or appropriate. That doesn't mean I'm an advocate of anything goes, because there's always going to be a few that can't be reasonable.

Also, I agree that Vital isn't the place to decide what level of force is acceptable. We aren't law enforcement. I just don't like the PCness that comes with making people feel like they are wrong for desiring consequences and/or deterrent for these people. Again, I don't know where the line is drawn.

JRT812 wrote:

I understand what you're saying, but you can call someone out while being honest, but also being tactful. I see no issues seeing a thief on...

I understand what you're saying, but you can call someone out while being honest, but also being tactful. I see no issues seeing a thief on a video and calling him a thief/thug. Or like the many instances of a poster saying something negative about a rider only to get a rise. Nothing wrong with calling the poster out. In the previous thread it was the blanket statements that were questionable and not appropriate Calling a "spade a spade" can be acceptable.

tcallahan707 wrote:

There's obviously a line somewhere when it comes to violence and thinly veiled racism. Where that line is, I'm not quite sure. At vital, maybe it's...

There's obviously a line somewhere when it comes to violence and thinly veiled racism. Where that line is, I'm not quite sure. At vital, maybe it's at zero tolerance. I can understand wanting to avoid some venom that will inevitably be spewed because well, this is the internet and these are keyboard warriors. But in the real world, responding with the appropriate amount of force to counter a negative situation and calling a spade a spade needs to be socially acceptable.

The problem is that if it's not acceptable to discuss online, it'll never be acceptable to do in real life. Also, by tossing any new threads, information about thefts and a growing wheelie boyz presence is not passed on. The result is more unsuspecting victims and a lack of public pressure to mitigate the problem.

This is my opinion. It's different than yours. I hope that's not enough of a reason to be clipped.

Casting wrote:

Vital is not the place for the world's social or criminal issues to be sorted out or solved. This is a forum for moto and it...

Vital is not the place for the world's social or criminal issues to be sorted out or solved. This is a forum for moto and it doesn't take much of a brain to see that some of the comments in those threats have just been a soapbox for spewing hate towards African Americans.

The world at large is not being informed of the dangers of bike theft by these threads behind made.

Plus, there is a difference between seeking appropriate justice through the criminal justice system and encouraging violence.

tcallahan707 wrote:

There's obviously a line somewhere when it comes to violence and thinly veiled racism. Where that line is, I'm not quite sure. At vital, maybe it's...

There's obviously a line somewhere when it comes to violence and thinly veiled racism. Where that line is, I'm not quite sure. At vital, maybe it's at zero tolerance. I can understand wanting to avoid some venom that will inevitably be spewed because well, this is the internet and these are keyboard warriors. But in the real world, responding with the appropriate amount of force to counter a negative situation and calling a spade a spade needs to be socially acceptable.

The problem is that if it's not acceptable to discuss online, it'll never be acceptable to do in real life. Also, by tossing any new threads, information about thefts and a growing wheelie boyz presence is not passed on. The result is more unsuspecting victims and a lack of public pressure to mitigate the problem.

This is my opinion. It's different than yours. I hope that's not enough of a reason to be clipped.

Casting wrote:

Vital is not the place for the world's social or criminal issues to be sorted out or solved. This is a forum for moto and it...

Vital is not the place for the world's social or criminal issues to be sorted out or solved. This is a forum for moto and it doesn't take much of a brain to see that some of the comments in those threats have just been a soapbox for spewing hate towards African Americans.

The world at large is not being informed of the dangers of bike theft by these threads behind made.

Plus, there is a difference between seeking appropriate justice through the criminal justice system and encouraging violence.

disbanded wrote:

The theft thread was clipped because of violent suggestions, as GuyB stated above...

tcallahan707 wrote:

There's obviously a line somewhere when it comes to violence and thinly veiled racism. Where that line is, I'm not quite sure. At vital, maybe it's...

There's obviously a line somewhere when it comes to violence and thinly veiled racism. Where that line is, I'm not quite sure. At vital, maybe it's at zero tolerance. I can understand wanting to avoid some venom that will inevitably be spewed because well, this is the internet and these are keyboard warriors. But in the real world, responding with the appropriate amount of force to counter a negative situation and calling a spade a spade needs to be socially acceptable.

The problem is that if it's not acceptable to discuss online, it'll never be acceptable to do in real life. Also, by tossing any new threads, information about thefts and a growing wheelie boyz presence is not passed on. The result is more unsuspecting victims and a lack of public pressure to mitigate the problem.

This is my opinion. It's different than yours. I hope that's not enough of a reason to be clipped.

Casting wrote:

Vital is not the place for the world's social or criminal issues to be sorted out or solved. This is a forum for moto and it...

Vital is not the place for the world's social or criminal issues to be sorted out or solved. This is a forum for moto and it doesn't take much of a brain to see that some of the comments in those threats have just been a soapbox for spewing hate towards African Americans.

The world at large is not being informed of the dangers of bike theft by these threads behind made.

Plus, there is a difference between seeking appropriate justice through the criminal justice system and encouraging violence.

tcallahan707 wrote:

There's obviously a line somewhere when it comes to violence and thinly veiled racism. Where that line is, I'm not quite sure. At vital, maybe it's...

There's obviously a line somewhere when it comes to violence and thinly veiled racism. Where that line is, I'm not quite sure. At vital, maybe it's at zero tolerance. I can understand wanting to avoid some venom that will inevitably be spewed because well, this is the internet and these are keyboard warriors. But in the real world, responding with the appropriate amount of force to counter a negative situation and calling a spade a spade needs to be socially acceptable.

The problem is that if it's not acceptable to discuss online, it'll never be acceptable to do in real life. Also, by tossing any new threads, information about thefts and a growing wheelie boyz presence is not passed on. The result is more unsuspecting victims and a lack of public pressure to mitigate the problem.

This is my opinion. It's different than yours. I hope that's not enough of a reason to be clipped.

Casting wrote:

Vital is not the place for the world's social or criminal issues to be sorted out or solved. This is a forum for moto and it...

Vital is not the place for the world's social or criminal issues to be sorted out or solved. This is a forum for moto and it doesn't take much of a brain to see that some of the comments in those threats have just been a soapbox for spewing hate towards African Americans.

The world at large is not being informed of the dangers of bike theft by these threads behind made.

Plus, there is a difference between seeking appropriate justice through the criminal justice system and encouraging violence.

jeffro503 wrote:

That seems to be taking it a little to personal. Black or white.....a thief is a thief. We ( us members here ) can't do anything...

That seems to be taking it a little to personal. Black or white.....a thief is a thief. We ( us members here ) can't do anything about what color the thief's skin color is. Just so happens when Michael Akayadin's bike ( sp? ) was stolen a couple years back out of the A1 tunnel.....that guy was white. That thread is still going after 2 years , and many on here wanted to see his head on a stake.

It does not matter what color the person is.....the fact is , he was a thief , and since he got caught stealing the very item many of us love , and why we visit this forum....sort of justifies why some of us get so upset about it. The Wheelie boyz.....I hate them for everything they do , and everything they stand for. I hate them for the stain they have put on all us " motocross guys ".....while they are reeking havoc up and down city streets. If it was a bunch of white trash dudes doing this....I'd hate them as well! I don't give a shit what color their skin is!

We can keep the racist stuff off these boards ( which is a great idea btw! )......but throwing the wheelie boys under the bus and discussing how much they freakin' SUCK!.....gives guys a way to vent a little on all these stolen bikes and the people who steal them!

disbanded wrote:

The theft thread was clipped because of violent suggestions, as GuyB stated above...

Roostermx58 wrote:

So clip the users and the comments, not the thread. The thread is relevant, some of the comments however were not.