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Considering mxdn 2007, and partly last year, and now this year, add few races during the US outdoors (lap times), the 450 bike doesn't really seem to deliver as in speed. Adding the issue riders have to adapting to the added weight and power, I really start to get the old 500 cc class vibe?
Would riders and fans be in agony if the 250F class would be the premier one, and bring back the 125 class as the stepping stone? Both our series in Europe and the US made the previous 250 class the no one, and since the 250Fs seems to have surpass the previous 250 smokers (in most areas other than pure peak HP) I don't see a point at all with the 450s, especially since it takes ages to adapt, and we seem to loose good riders in transition until they adapt and in many cases they are a no brainer.
I'm off?
Can anyone other than a giant like Ken DeDycker look themselves in the mirror and claim a 250F isn't good enough?
Would riders and fans be in agony if the 250F class would be the premier one, and bring back the 125 class as the stepping stone? Both our series in Europe and the US made the previous 250 class the no one, and since the 250Fs seems to have surpass the previous 250 smokers (in most areas other than pure peak HP) I don't see a point at all with the 450s, especially since it takes ages to adapt, and we seem to loose good riders in transition until they adapt and in many cases they are a no brainer.
I'm off?
Can anyone other than a giant like Ken DeDycker look themselves in the mirror and claim a 250F isn't good enough?
Our sport is dying because it gets more and more expensive every day.
hate to say it, but we need to start banning some of the technical stuff on the bikes before they become space ships.
The Shop
time for da' chicago bearz......
I figured a team that will field a 250F and a 125 will at least reduce cost not having a 450, and teams that are 450 teams now, might find a way in the 125 class. I figure we will have half the valves running around, which in my book must reduce costs in the long run?
But I'm totally clueless. I don't like watching the 450 class. The bikes are boring, sounds horrible, and people run around in third gear basically all day while being at risk to be catapulted at the wrong point with more power and weight they need.
I think people have said more than once, the 250 class is more fun to watch, more stacked, more riders being able to win, more revving, more rubbing, bikes are being pushed in a safer way.
But again I know shit, just that I enjoy so much more watching fast riders on 125s than on 450s.
By now, I thought people would use common sense and at least start doubting more power don't necessary rules, since it also adds over more weight, gyro, more work for the suspension...
But I know some people feel the "need" of a 400 hp pick up to haul their scooters around...
do you guys even ride?
I don't understand the confusion?
Pit Row
Bring back small bores and bring back MOTOCROSS! We miss it!
I was too young to understand why the 500 class went away when it did.. NOW I get it. I hope the 450cc motocross bike suffers the same fate when the AMA dissolves the displacement advantage for 4-strokes.
..but most will say I'm dreaming.. One can only hope.
I find it much more exciting to see riders on "under-powered" machines having to get creative to find speed, traction, momentum. 450 4-stroke class ruined that part of racing.. and it's all but lost even in the 250's with how good these 250F's are.
People keep dropping the saying, "don't let MX turn into F1." Well that's rather paradoxical isn't it. The new MX machines have become technological marvels, despite the production rule, not unlike F1 cars. However, F1 has been through more restrictions to slow the cars down, etc. Motocross on the other hand.. well like the consensus in the thread.. more power isn't making the sport any safer, the technology isn't making it any cheaper, and the racing seems to be suffering too! Why not bring the displacement rules back into perspective!
To keep costs in check a claiming rule will be in place. Any rider that finishes on the lead lap can claim one of the top 3 bikes for a set $ amount. This will keep cost in check as if a rider that spends big bucks on A-Kit suspension, port work, oversized radiators, handmade pipes, Etc. If a rider has his bike claimed they can refuse to hand over the bike if he is willing to pay the claiming price + 50%. Also there will be no factory sponsored teams so KTM, Yamaha, Etc. cannot have a paid 2 stroke rider. The same for aftermarket teams PC, FMF, are not allowed to enter riders but they can still support and sponsor riders in this class.
With this in place we all win as it lowers the cost for the privateers and gives them a second stepping stone to make it to factory support in the 4 stroke classes. It also gives the fans more racing action for there ticket price. Gives bike manufactures incentive to start producing 2 strokes again and allow Joe average rider an option to have a new bike that does not have the high prices and maintenance needs that the 4 strokes require. It will also bring in more customers to the dealers.
The race of a lifetime would be to see all the best of the current riders go at each other on standard 125's or 250's of whatever stroke. Ken De Dycker might feel different, but besides him you know I am right, admit it!
It's the manufacturers problem if their target audience isn't happy with what they offer. A big problem by the way...
GIVE ME...ENTERTAINMENT!
Ive seen it and often wondered why no one else seems to talk about it...
Also to the OP, I understand where you are coming from. Racers, promoters, sponsors, and the Jap brands all sell the 450 at the priemere price, the more races that are won,the more the promoters promote the 450 class along with the sponsors and riders, more consumers go out and are pressured or made to believe the 450 is the bike to have. Its the most expenisive of all the MX bikes, Kawi, suz, yam, and Honda are not going to stop pushing the R&D on them as long as they are making so much off them.
So the point of the 450 class is to sell the most expensive dirt bike that the big brands build. IMO
My dream would be 150cc and 300cc or so... but I still don't like bikes as large as 450s for racing in general. Maybe thats because I'm not a big guy either haha
a 450 will run all year , stock , on oil changes and be enough for 90% of riders , and too much for 50% of those, a 250 will not pull a greasy stick out of a dogs arse in stock form , and are just too much like hard work to ride .
But to debate that, look at Yamaha and KTM, they both still push out two stroke big bikes...although there hasnt been much R&D from the Yamaha for the past several years...But I did buy a 2013 Yamaha YZ125 and love it so much more than my 250F.
Its also interesting that Yamaha GYTR sells a 144 kit...I hope they are tracking how many are sold and may bring that up to the big wigs who make decisions on funding at Yamaha.
250....like riding miley circus.....anyone who wants to can.....
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