What's more important? bike or rider?

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10/6/2020 6:59 AM
Edited Date/Time: 10/6/2020 10:25 AM


So my buddy is just doing a season racing a national championship racing a 22 year CR500 in the MX1 class against 450’s and has been running at the front of the pack. In my mind with the different in 22 years’ worth of technology he has no right to be running up at the front on the bike he is on. This got me think about the percentage of rider vs. bike. I was thinking its 70% rider 30% bike. What do you guys think? Here the second instalment of the video series I’ve been making about it.
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10/6/2020 7:04 AM
Edited Date/Time: 10/6/2020 10:05 AM

I think whats most important is whether youre running a tusk clutch or not.

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10/6/2020 7:14 AM

Really cool. It takes a certain type of rider to tame the 500. Very impressive. It is also cool to see an older bike get good results.

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10/6/2020 7:16 AM

in mx its 90% rider, 10% bike. if you're riding something from the late 70s you'll be at a disadvantage but i think any bike from 1985 or newer can be competitive on a local level.

obviously when youre racing nationals i do think having a modern-ish bike is probably necessary.

i think ryan dungey could take his 2010 rmz450 and place pretty well. could still podium/win on one when he was in his prime.

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10/6/2020 7:32 AM

90% is mental and the other 50% is the bike.

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10/6/2020 7:34 AM

Your 'buddy' is an ex MXoN pro.. so not really a fair comparison.

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10/6/2020 7:36 AM

At “our” level, rider.

At their level, still rider, but the bike and the rider‘s comfort plays a huge part.

Look at Barcia or even Eli. When it’s “right” they’re what we think they can be or usually are. When it’s wrong they’re not.

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Cheers, Crush
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10/6/2020 7:38 AM

Clearly it’s all the rider. Once you get two equally talented guys the bike becomes just as important....

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10/6/2020 7:39 AM

90% of all statistics are made up

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10/6/2020 7:44 AM

Bruce372 wrote:

90% of all statistics are made up

78.2% Sheesh.

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10/6/2020 9:19 AM
Edited Date/Time: 10/6/2020 9:25 AM

Of course it's a combination of rider and bike. However, from the last several nationals, comparing J-Mart to the three Yammy riders (all at the top of skill and experience,) I'd say that it shows a perfect example.

J-Mart (who sort of reminds me of Carmichael back in the day regarding his desire to never lose) is clearly dealing with a deficit on the bike side.

I happen to think that if they were all four on the Star bike, J-Mart would be in a vastly different place. Just my $.02.

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10/6/2020 9:21 AM

100% all bike. The rider just rides the thing, if the bike doesn't work what's he supposed to do ? It's all about the bike. Everyone knows how the controls work to ride, after that what do you have ? The bike. Plus there's no way those guys that kicked my ass last Sunday are better riders than me. It has to be their bikes are just better. Has to be...

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10/6/2020 9:25 AM

It’s the Indian, not the arrow.

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2015 Beta 500 RS, history: 99 KTM 300, 87 CR250, 84 KLR 600, 82 GPZ 550, 81 KX 250, 80 KX 250, 79 Montesa 414 VE, 78 250 VB, 77 360 VB, 76 360 VA, 75 YZ 125, 74 TM 125, 72 TS 125, 60's West Bend Go Boy Kart

10/6/2020 10:10 AM

That was awesome! I subscribe to the 90/10 theory. ...and as mentioned above -- with two equal riders the advantage obviously goes to the one with the better bike.

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10/6/2020 10:52 AM

When I win it's 100% me.
When I lose it's 100% the bike.

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10/6/2020 11:04 AM

If I hadn't seen someone on a non-Star Yamaha bike win the 250 title last year I wouldn't have thought it was possible based on what I read here.

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10/6/2020 11:14 AM

vtec wrote:

in mx its 90% rider, 10% bike. if you're riding something from the late 70s you'll be at a disadvantage but i think any bike from 1985 or newer can be competitive on a local level.

obviously when youre racing nationals i do think having a modern-ish bike is probably necessary.

i think ryan dungey could take his 2010 rmz450 and place pretty well. could still podium/win on one when he was in his prime.

lol your analogy skipped 25 years along with a bike that hasn't changed much at all in 11 years now..

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