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This place is so hypocritical.
BUT!
The second moto that he won, when he passed Stewart, Stewart DID settle for second. He chose not to chase Everts because Everts was going really fast and it would've been risky.
That being said, could Stewart have beaten Everts? Yes, he could have. He also could have crashed trying to catch and/or pass Everts. So he settled for second to get the win for Team USA.
The same can be said about Everts settling for second to RC in 2003. The only thing that makes that seem unlikely is that Everts has never beaten RC a single time when they were on the same class of motorcycles. Going by that, I don't think he could've beaten RC, because they raced quite a few times on the same class of bikes and RC always won.
However, Stewart and Everts only raced that one event in 2006. And Everts won.
Everts is and was amazing, and he's one of my favorite people, not just racers. The guy is just the epitome of cool. I love Stefan Everts. But at the same time, I've been at every MXoN since 2005, and every AMA Supercross and Motocross since 2004, and the James Stewart that finished second to Everts in 2006 in England was NOT the James Stewart that raced all year that year.
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And I agree with you about Everts. Class Act! One of the best to ever put a leg over a motocross bike. He's in the top 3 of my all time favorite riders.
Like I say, this place is just a constant cycle of hypocrisy, double standards and chest pounding.
moto 3 after everts had taken the lead, he slowly started to pull away- stewart came into the whoops sideways a couple of laps later, hanging off the bike, definitely not like someone that was settling for 2nd!!! After everts had pulled a 7 or 8 second gap, i think james gave up (because he couldnt run that pace that day)
the james stewart you saw race all year was on AMA tracks - that are alot faster. Matterly had huge ruts all the way round that day, which is why everts excelled and stewart didnt look as fast as he does on flat out ama tracks,
Everts' ride that day was amazing- the way he stood up round those gnarly ruts was absolutely awesome!!! That, and his mud riding display in 98 at foxhills (which i was also lucky enough to witness first hand) are 2 of the greatest mx riding clinics i have ever seen- the man is a legend, and one of the best technical riders the sport has ever seen
LOL
You mean a guy on a dirt bike came into the whoops sideways? You mean, there isn't perfect traction on motocross tracks?
LOL
Come on, We've all watched Stewart ride on all kinds of tracks, and the way he rode at Matterly in 06 wasn't to his potential. That doesn't take anything away from everts (so don't take it personal), Everts was incredible that day, and Stewart would have had to really push to beat him. But it was a team race, and Stewart (and his team) won the race Everts (and his team) lost. Stewart did the right thing by backing it down.
These are called excuses because you still not have accepted the Americans are faster and better riders. Lets list them.
The Euros did not win because...
1. "comparably limited resources "
2. "countless injury woes "
3. "face a massive task " (too hard)
4. "unbelievably bad luck"
5. "freak incident invariably happens"
6."two of those were out injured before the event even started"
7. "crashed in the sludge in first corner"
8. "guys mousse popped off the rim"
9. ACs handbars broke
Lets see the top reasons why the Americans won.
1. Blake Bagget crashed into AC in the first corner.
2. Blake crashed several other times.
3. The Americans never rode on this track before.
4. The American had jet lag and were tired
5. The bikes are different from the American bikes.
6. RV got a bad holeshot in his first moto
7. Blake got another bad holeshot.
The undeniable truth... You make your own luck.
in my opinion- james couldnt have beaten everts that day, it was really technical- and stefan excelled in the conditions.
In my opinion, stewart backed down after he realised he couldnt stay with everts
so should pourcel fit his own tyres and goggle lenses?
maybe dungey should be his own mechanic? and windham (and whoever else has had mechanical problems)
The only real reason the qualifiers don't matter is if you win. Who cares about qualifiers if your the winner. So the Americans won in 2009 and 2011.
So is you say, in 2009 the qualifiers mattered, I would say, not really the Americans won.
If you say the 2011 qualifiers matter, I would say not really the Americans won.
But if you try to bring up the Euros are faster, discarding the point the Americans won. I will bring up the qualifiers, because it is another piece of evidence not only did the American s win but could have beat your guys straight up. That is not hypocritical.
You ride more conservatively so the bike is not put under as much stress (Like Dungey did, he did not try to pass Roczen right away even though he knew that people might say Roczen is faster but his bike stayed together. You don't run your bike on the rev limiter. You spot check what your mechanics do.
You try to anticipate what can happen and ride accordingly.
That is how you make your own luck
It was just another American winning yet another MXON.
his goggle malfunction was the lense breaking- nothing to do with tearoffs
dungey not passing roczen because he was trying to ride conservatively to put his bike under less stress
thats the best one yet!!!!
Pit Row
Yet the GP cheerleaders have the nerve to come here and say that the Americans are hypocritical?? pffft.
"dungey not passing roczen because he was trying to ride conservatively to put his bike under less stress
You can believe what you want, but Dungey smoked him him in qualifiers and in the 3rd moto. He chose to ride conservatively. Now you can believe what you want, and if it makes you feel better to think Roczen and straight up beat Dungey at that race, go for it. But the Americans make their own luck (good) and the Euros make their own as well (bad) and the Americans won.
They don't groom the tracks basically at all in the USA once the racing has started. All they do is address the first turn and any other places where things get a bit dangerous. Otherwise, it just stays like it is.
How many AMA motocross events have you EVER been to? And, assuming the answer isn't zero (although it probably is), when/where were they?
It's like I'm psychic.
How about this:
Despite the fact that there are way more GP racers in the MXoN than AMA racers, this is how the classes broke down in the three motos:
MX1, three of the top five were AMA racers overall.
MX2, three of the top five were AMA racers overall (and that's counting Roczen as a GP guy, even though he raced in the AMA in 2011 and will be racing in the AMA full-time in 2012, so really you could say four of the five...).
MX3, there were only 3 AMA racers in the class, but they all finished in the top 8.
Of the racers on the three teams on the podium, EIGHT out of the nine of them have raced in the AMA, while only four have raced in the GPs. Currently, of the nine, six of the nine race in the AMA, and SEVEN out of the nine raced in the AMA in 2011.
Scoreboard.
And this is on tracks they're not used to. AMA tracks are a lot different, and it's not because they're faster or smoother. They're disked deeper, for one thing, and there is much more top-soil before you get to the hardpack stuff underneath. On top of that, it rained in all three motos, some worse than others, and it's no secret that GP racers are notoriously better at mud riding than AMA racers, because they do it more.
Can we stop arguing now?
Or should we look at the scores when the GP guys have come to US tracks in recent years and compare/contrast?
MX1/MX2 moto in 2007 at Budds Creek: Top three, all AMA guys.
MX2/MX3 moto same event: Two of the five (including the winner) were AMA guys.
MX1/MX3 moto same event: Top three, all AMA guys.
Team USA won all three classes overall.
Seems pretty consistent.
Also consistent at that event, Cairoli did terribly, which is almost a given nowadays. He's very fast, but something almost always happens on Sunday.
But Team USA would've still won. The score would've just been different. In the end, as far as the record books are concerned, there's no difference.
Watch it and tell be that guy isn't feeling the heat.
Per Xavier in this thread:
- Last sunday, the (different) tire manufacturer's crew, under pressure from the busy MXDN motos schedule and the weird track conditions of the day, changed the tire on CP's replacement bike (he used his replacement bike in moto 3) but kept the (new) mousse which was there (which is a no-no, by their own standards, once a mousse has been mounted before, you don't re-mount it, whether it has actually been used or not, that means if Pourcel had brought his moto 1 bike for the tire service, they would definitely have changed the mousse and maybe nothing would have happened) and, to make things worse, that mousse was not compatible with the tire that CP choosed for that moto. Both Desalle and Nagl (the latter during a GP moto) had experienced the same problem with the same mousse/tire brand earlier this season, triggering strict choices and procedures to be applied from the mounting crew, procedures which were unfortunately not applied this time on Pourcel's rear wheel. We hear someone has been fired on the site by the manufacturer over this.
Moto two, RV wins by 65 seconds over Ken de Dycker. His best laptime was more than three seconds faster than De Dycker's.
Doesn't have much to do with this, except that RV is a bad mofo. And he was back then, too.
# STEFAN EVERTS: "... This is an incredible day and it has been an amazing year .. To win the Motocross des Nations, in Belgium and in front of the king is a dream come true. I didn’t have any problems with my riding in the final. I made the holeshot and rode at my own pace. I’m so happy, but maybe a little bit of me is disappointed that I didn’t win the race. It has been great to have the Americans here today. They bring prestige to the event and that is important for European motocross. Ricky (Carmichael) was faster than me today – hopefully he will return for a rematch next year”
so no, he wasn't riding for the team.... and he's big enough to admit it, wish he'd get more credit for that quote than his performance in 2006, but apparently Stewart would've beaten him anyway so it's a moot point
"I took exception, not as an American, but as a motocross fan."... are you arguing as an American now, or as a motocross fan?
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