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The first 2 machine in the cell are 4 axis Horizontal machine tools and the last one in the cell is a 5 axis vertical machine tool. All the machine in the cell can hold over 300 tools.. Now to the parts, I just put in motorcycle parts accept for two of the parts, one is a mountain bike crown, and the other is a throttle body for a Jet plane. My company does allot of work for the medical industry, military, government, nuclear, semiconductor, energy, racing. Doing work for the motorcycle industry is a small part of my business but its also my love, I been racing since I was 6. In the middle of the parts picture are true HRC pegs, the one in the picture that is 1/2 done that is a bit bigger than the Factory HRC design. I could go into it more, but lets just say the HRC parts are the ferrari of parts. I think more people would understand that, I think?
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Are those red clamps for sale ?
Seems like an awful long time for something as simple as a footrest.
Look why don't we do this now, every one that thinks I'm full of shit and think that I really don't know what I'm talking about please tell me on here, by just saying Matt your full of shit!!! And for all of you that thinks RS444 is full of shit, Please respond and say RS444 Swedish Guy your full of shit.
Thanks everyone
As I have already mentioned, I buy a lot of Ti and have several sources for them.
If you have a better hook up, please share a link for us. Nothing else to say to you on this thread, other than
RS444, you are full of shit !!
BTW- I have a great source of Chinese made Ti bolts. Mainly m6 and m8 bolts, but also have a couple sources in the UK that are comparable with pricing. Shipping is what differs the prices. There are Chinese Ti bolts being sold through American companies and are great quality, but $300 won’t even get close to doing a complete bike.
When i worked in WRC , we used Poggipolini for everything, they were very good and i used to get the used ones when cars were stripped, still have a few left that i use for levers and stuff.
I think we used to get a bag of M6x15 500 off, for about £3 each. The ones drilled for lockwire were lovely.
i saw a large tool box full of ti bolts from someone that worked in the gp scene for years and he said they just scrap everything....
but this was years back so i dont know now..
And for u other guys, i dont know how it works in different countries but here if you file to have A-tax like you need to if you wanna have your own company you can write off 25% taxes off on each buy you make through your company and having a standing account in certain professional stores will get you a discount in these stores too and i recon its the same in America as well!?.
I'm surprised by how little (to me) the cost of the bar stock / ingot / whatever you would call it for the Pegs is. $100/$150.
What grade Ti is being used, at those prices?
This is not an argument from me, just a surprise.
I've made Bicycle and Motorcycle frames for decades now, and when it comes to materials, especially butted Ti (or other ''exotic"materials) tubes, you can face pretty fearful costs. Though, I'm always surprised by price differences - some tubing can be quite affordable, whilst another type, with bugger all difference in sizing / butting (of the same material) can leave me and others, gasping in shock. It's just the way it is.
Of course, volume of purchase / supply can have a big influence on pricing. Many years ago, when I made far more frames, I had to special order a particular 6061 -T6 rectangular tubing I wanted, in a quantity that has finally run down. It cost me quite a lot, but brought the individual sections used per swingarm, to an affordable level.
Thank you for weighing in here, with your real knowledge. I am but a 'handle turner' with regards to machining, but luckily I have a bloke in my suburb who will do some CNC bits for 'mates rates' for me. I think it's because it gives him something a bit different, from his big jobs. And, I'm always available at short notice to do chassis fab and welding for him with his cars. Give and take, as they say.
As for my own Motorcycle(s), I do fit a Ti bolt to them........ I've a small pack of button head and countersunk Ti bolts, that I use for the tank strap retainer.......... That's as exotic / 'bling' as I get.
Pit Row
We had some lower wishbone mounts sent out for quote, that came back at over £2k each, and a second quote for £495 using an alternative method that could be turned and milled without needing 5 axis.
I have seen some footrests done on a wire eroder, which were nice, the shape lends itself to it quite well.
Be interesting to see who is the first to 3D print some.
One of the companies I've done work for for a few decades now, keep me, and a few other blokes, under loose contract to reign in their "bright young things", just that little bit, it seems.
Mind you, when you get a " bright young thing" that is grounded in practicality, and has actual craft skills, it's an awesome thing to see. I've met some bloody impressive 'doers' among the many Mouse pushers.
I would love to see the drawing for those footrests.
And to the guys who won’t accept the very good answers given by the guys here that know what they are talking about. ML512 and Langham to name a few. Do you want an answer to your question, or do you only want answers that align with your belief? $50k is not getting you anywhere near real cost. These race teams are businesses and if they were to determine a cost of goods they would include all costs incurred. As there is much more to it than raw material costs and labor.
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