What changed moto more Nac Nac or the Scrub?

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9/12/2022 8:31am Edited Date/Time 9/15/2022 7:43am
It's offseason so random thoughts must be answered. lol

I bring this up because I'm finally getting around to reading my RacerX and Davey mentions the anniversary of the scrub and brought up other milestones such as MC busting out the Nac Nac. At first thought it's obvious that the scrub had a huge influence on racing. The more I thought about it though, by Jeremy busting out the Nac Nac it created the entire freestyle industry. Bubba made everyone go faster but every freestyle contest and Nitro Circus can trace it's roots back to Jeremy pulling the Nac Nac in Orlando in 1994.
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9/12/2022 8:32am
I can't call it. The scrub probably "changed" moto more, but the nacnac grew the sport more greatly than any other event I can remember. MC brought a bunch of new fans.
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9/12/2022 8:33am
Ricky and the training
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9/12/2022 8:34am
The Nac-Nac created the freestyle movement, and the scrub advanced racing technique.

I don't think it's really apples to apples
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9/12/2022 8:36am
Are we talking Moto Racing or Motorcycle sports in general?

Just racing, then Scrub for sure. No question.

Motorcycles in general, you could argue the Nac-Nac had an influence on FMX that grew into something absolutely insane
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9/12/2022 8:37am
I raced Orlando on my pw50 the night Jeremy did the nacnac, was down in the tunnel when he did it. James raced that night too on his full mod 50 and crushed us. Davi Millsaps and his sister Brianna raced that night as well.
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9/12/2022 8:40am
They're still scrubbing....and not doing nacnacs...
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9/12/2022 8:40am
Nac-Nac, no comparison in my opinion. It started a sub-culture that during the TP / X Games prime was probably reaching a wider audience than racing was...
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Are we talking Moto Racing or Motorcycle sports in general? Just racing, then Scrub for sure. No question. Motorcycles in general, you could argue the Nac-Nac...
Are we talking Moto Racing or Motorcycle sports in general?

Just racing, then Scrub for sure. No question.

Motorcycles in general, you could argue the Nac-Nac had an influence on FMX that grew into something absolutely insane
Just because the Nac Nac isn't an actual racing technique doesn't mean that it didn't have an effect. Would we have even realized what a motorcycle could do without it? Bubba may haver never thrown a bike down like that without the Nac Nac.
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9/12/2022 8:45am
I would say the scrub, it’s become a standard technique used by everyone. Freestyle seems to barely even be a thing anymore.
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9/12/2022 9:48am Edited Date/Time 9/12/2022 9:48am
I'd say a lot of people can do a NacNac, that could never ride a bike well enough to be a competitive racer...but they can do tricks. I don't know of anyone who can do a genuine scrub that can't also be a competitive racer.
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9/12/2022 10:22am
NotCore wrote:
Ricky and the training
Searights wrote:
^^^^^THIS^^^^^^
Was not even an option.
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McG194 wrote:
Was not even an option.
I’m aware. It should have been. Silly poll.
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9/12/2022 10:44am
This is a great question/topic!

Both were significant in their own ways.

The scrub advanced racing technique far beyond what it was up until that point. Because of it, riders generally move around on the bike much more than they had in the past and therefore has made motocross racing an even more athletic endeavor than it already was. It has also permeated into other sports such as MTB and snowboarding. Thanks Stew!

The nac-nac inspired an entire era of new riding, riders and careers. If there is any one single thing that can be attributed to motocross' mainstream popularity in everything from clothing to movies, it's MC's nac-nac when he first started busting them out in public during the off-season European SX races in the Fall/Winter of 1993.

If you really think about it, someone like Haiden Deegan may not be the name he is today if his father hadn't been able to parlay his riding skill into becoming one of the founders of the FMX movement that would not have happened if McGrath wasn't a winning machine in 1994 and 1995, throwing nac-nac's in front of hundreds of thousands of fans on a weekly basis.
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9/12/2022 10:48am
Changed is subjective in this context... The Nac-Nac was a crowd favorite and fans loved it. The scrub was simply an evolution of racing. Better/more scrubs, faster lap times. The Nac-Nac lives on in freestyle, the scrub lives on in MX and SX.
9/12/2022 11:03am Edited Date/Time 9/12/2022 11:03am
Here's a better, more controversial question: who invented the nac-nac? I'll give you a hint: it's not Jeremy McGrath and it wasn't on a dirt bike.
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9/12/2022 11:03am
Which one must a top level racer know how to do if he/she is going to compete/win?
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9/12/2022 11:06am
That’s why this is a silly poll. One is for racing and one is for show. Apples and oranges.
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9/12/2022 11:14am
McG194 wrote:
Was not even an option.
Searights wrote:
I’m aware. It should have been. Silly poll.
What's silly is not understanding a topic. I'm discussing riding style innovations. Ricky's training wasn't that much of a revolution. He just took what Johnny O was doing in the 80's and went to the next level. It's only considered a revolution because of how loose of programs guys ran in the 90's.
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Searights
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9/12/2022 11:19am
Please see my post above. Thank you.
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9/12/2022 11:19am
Here's a better, more controversial question: who invented the nac-nac? I'll give you a hint: it's not Jeremy McGrath and it wasn't on a dirt bike.
Of course it came from BMX.
I remember when Jeremy first brought out the Nac Nac it was said that a local SoCal hotshoe was doing it. Don't remember the name Tanner, Connor something like that.
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9/12/2022 11:20am
Searights wrote:
Please see my post above. Thank you.
Please ignore things you don't have interest in. Thank you.
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9/12/2022 11:26am
It’s not that, it’s just not a fair comparison IMO for the reasons I listed above. How can you not see that?
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9/12/2022 11:41am
Searights wrote:
It’s not that, it’s just not a fair comparison IMO for the reasons I listed above. How can you not see that?
The comparison is of RIDING techniques not anything about training. If you read my original post I read about the beginnings of both. My first reaction was the scrub because it made speeds increase so much. On deeper reflection I thought about the nuclear bomb MC dropped and how it basically invented a new sport. It changed the moto industry way more and ML seems to agree with me.
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9/12/2022 11:44am
Alright, point taken. 👍
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9/12/2022 11:49am
Scrubbing was before JS.

I'm all for the nac nac.

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9/13/2022 6:00am
NotCore wrote:
Ricky and the training
I voted the scrub. But NotCore came through with the real answer. RC and Aldon turned the sport upside down.
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9/13/2022 7:22am
JK BRO wrote:
Scrubbing was before JS.

I'm all for the nac nac.

Sometimes old guys say they were scrubbing in the 80s. Some of the most absurd shit ever said. They would whip it big difference between whipping and scrubbing.
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9/13/2022 8:16am
I think they are incomparable because they represent two different corporate departments. They both affect the bottom line though.

The Nac Nac is more of a Marketing department technique and the Scrub is the Production department. Both have their macro impact on the sport but at the micro level, totally different.
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