What a shame...(two stroke taliban must see)

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Edited Date/Time 5/5/2012 8:37am
...that KTM did not homologate the 250sx two stroke and this kid can't ride one at the nationals. This is from Sunday at a D3 race on the U2 track. Blizz flat out hauls.....hopefully this link works, if not someone who knows how to do this stuff please fix it.,...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wecFlVubGY0&feature=relmfu
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5/2/2012 4:51pm
They probably would homologate it if they knew people were going to use it. There's not point forking out the money ($3000?) to get it homologated if no one is gonna ride it.
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5/2/2012 5:40pm
Nice, bike sounds so strong. I agree they need to homologate it

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5/2/2012 6:20pm
so exactly what bke is it that he is riding that is not homologated ?

is it a 2012 250SX or something else

if it is the 2012 than that is a bunch of shit
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5/2/2012 6:23pm
wow it got quiet around him real quick. he gapped that shit instantly.
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Since there is already a proper amount of the bikes in the country, what prevents an individual from sending the $3000.00 check in to have the bike gaylogated, uh I mean homologated. Not that there's anything wrong with that.....
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Derpin' DJ wrote:
They probably would homologate it if they knew people were going to use it. There's not point forking out the money ($3000?) to get it homologated...
They probably would homologate it if they knew people were going to use it. There's not point forking out the money ($3000?) to get it homologated if no one is gonna ride it.
Agreed,$3000 is a lot of $$ for KTM. Silly
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Derpin' DJ wrote:
They probably would homologate it if they knew people were going to use it. There's not point forking out the money ($3000?) to get it homologated...
They probably would homologate it if they knew people were going to use it. There's not point forking out the money ($3000?) to get it homologated if no one is gonna ride it.
ford832 wrote:
Agreed,$3000 is a lot of $$ for KTM. Silly
No, they just realize the displacement rules are fucking stupid and penned by fucking idiots.
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newmann wrote:
No, they just realize the displacement rules are fucking stupid and penned by fucking idiots.
That is probably the most accurate description of the rules that has ever been written.
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The best production 250cc bar none.
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neysbo wrote:
so exactly what bke is it that he is riding that is not homologated ? is it a 2012 250SX or something else if it is...
so exactly what bke is it that he is riding that is not homologated ?

is it a 2012 250SX or something else

if it is the 2012 than that is a bunch of shit
yes its a 2012 250 sx. Ryan would race it in the nationals in a second if it were homologated and he would make the fast 40 on it. Newman you need to find out if that can be done and do it. I guarantee you Ryan would be on the gate at all the East Coast rounds if you could make it happen.

Spergen yup that is how its done around here. Expert classes get 6, maybe 8 laps. Its a joke.....
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5/2/2012 7:16pm
I bet if this info got to Roger DeCoster, heck, he'd pull that out of his wallet if the guy really has a chance!
5/2/2012 7:22pm Edited Date/Time 5/2/2012 7:24pm
Damn I can't even imagine how fast the factory version of the bike must be Woohoo

KTM needs to step it up and race a 250SX alongside the 450 with Dungey. I mean you wouldn't want to put anyone faster than the Dunge on the 250 cause that would just be embarrassing if he were beat, but why not someone like this guy? Someone who can put the 250SX in the top 15 and give something for moto fans who love two strokes to cheer for.

I'll never understand the pro moto scene, too secretive, too tied around the nuts of the big 4, too much BS. It is just a bummer because moto could be so sick with four strokes racing two strokes, but as with everything in this world, $$$>everything else.
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5/2/2012 8:02pm
neysbo wrote:
so exactly what bke is it that he is riding that is not homologated ? is it a 2012 250SX or something else if it is...
so exactly what bke is it that he is riding that is not homologated ?

is it a 2012 250SX or something else

if it is the 2012 than that is a bunch of shit
Huckster wrote:
yes its a 2012 250 sx. Ryan would race it in the nationals in a second if it were homologated and he would make the fast...
yes its a 2012 250 sx. Ryan would race it in the nationals in a second if it were homologated and he would make the fast 40 on it. Newman you need to find out if that can be done and do it. I guarantee you Ryan would be on the gate at all the East Coast rounds if you could make it happen.

Spergen yup that is how its done around here. Expert classes get 6, maybe 8 laps. Its a joke.....
Ok this might be a typical stupid Vital post but have you tried the mightiest of weapons " the pen" ?

Try writing a letter to KTM North America, Stating your intentions to race in X no of Nationals this year and would they look at addressing the issue homologation, and if not why not. For the sum off $3000 its probably the cheapest advertising cost ever to promote the 250sx, Just look at Renner in the SX ! Unless you try you never know.

WOW that is a joke Huckster, just went on to my local tracks website and got this for you, Even the kids race longer than you !

CLASSES
A/B Adult MX1 Expert / Junior MX1 Race length 3x20min + 2
A/B Adult MX2 Expert / Junior Race length 3x20min + 2
C/D Adult MX1 Race length 3x14min + 1
C/D Adult MX2 Race length 3x14min + 1
125/250F Youth Race length 3x14min + 1
85cc B/W S/W together Race length 3x12min + 1
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5/2/2012 10:06pm
That was hauling a$$ on those off camber sweepers.
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Spergen Ryan rides out of a local KTM shop. I will suggest that he ask them to put some pressure on their local KTM rep and see if he can run it up the flag so to speak but if they didnt get it done initially I am sure they have their reasons. He is going to race the nationals on a 4 stroke. Not sure what class though.

As for the laps/time, it is a big reason why a lot of people have become professional practice racers. A race day around here consist of 12+hrs to ride 16 laps and that is if you race 2 classes and they don't cut the laps for the 2nd motos which happens often.....
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5/3/2012 3:45am
Blizzard rips.....no doubt about it.....looks like he got into Mitch a bit in the first corner Cool
I love that track......except for the time I stuck a handlebar into one of those haybales in a corner.
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A little pressure from here would help as well, where is the KTM 2 stroke petition for homo. Put one together as long as the AMA petition and send it to a few people at KTM and I bet you would get some results.

Also don't forget Team Green still has his project going with the yz 250.
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You guys still don't get it. The AMA and the manufactures don't want 2 strokes back. Period.

It's sad but very obviously true.
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TerryK wrote:
You guys still don't get it. The AMA and the manufactures don't want 2 strokes back. Period.

It's sad but very obviously true.
I agree when it comes to the big 4, but KTM has put out a lot of promotional material to the affect they fully support the continued development and use of 2 strokes. It seems awfully strange that they would not homologate a current '12 model motocross bike, if that is true. Is it confirmed that the bike is not homologated, or is this just Vital rhetoric?
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TerryK wrote:
You guys still don't get it. The AMA and the manufactures don't want 2 strokes back. Period.

It's sad but very obviously true.
We get it, doesn't mean we like it or will stop bitching about it anytime soon. Enough people make a stink about it and buy 2 strokes then maybe (just maybe) things will change.
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5/3/2012 5:36am Edited Date/Time 5/3/2012 5:37am
This was the only list I could find right now, but there are some 2012 bikes listed.

The following equipment list shows all motorcycles which are approved for Motocross / Supercross.
This list is provisional and additional manufacturers will be added as they are approved.
Motorcycles MX/SX Lites Motocross/Supercross
Honda 2006-2007 CR125R 2006-2007 CR250R
Honda 2006-2011 CRF250R* 2006-2011 CRF450R
Husqvarna 2010 TC250
Kawasaki 2006 KX 250
Kawasaki 2006-2012 KX 250F* 2006-2012 KX 450F
KTM 2006 125 SX 2006-2011 SX 250
KTM 2006-2012 250 SX-F* 2006-2012 450 SX-F
KTM 2011- 2012 350 SX-F
KTM 2009 450 XC
Suzuki 2006 RM 250
Suzuki 2006-2011 RMZ 250* 2006-2011 RMZ 450
Yamaha 2006-2009 YZ 125 2006-2010 YZ 250
Yamaha 2006-2011 YZ 250F* 2006-2011 YZ 450F
All 2006-2009 motorcycles previously approved and still suitable under the current rules for Motocross /
Supercross are eligible.
*Also eligible for the Supercross class

http://www.amaproracing.com//assets/AMAProApprovedMX.pdf

I may have to call them today to see why they haven't homologated the 125 and 250 SXs
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burn1986 wrote:
This was the only list I could find right now, but there are some 2012 bikes listed. The following equipment list shows all motorcycles which are...
This was the only list I could find right now, but there are some 2012 bikes listed.

The following equipment list shows all motorcycles which are approved for Motocross / Supercross.
This list is provisional and additional manufacturers will be added as they are approved.
Motorcycles MX/SX Lites Motocross/Supercross
Honda 2006-2007 CR125R 2006-2007 CR250R
Honda 2006-2011 CRF250R* 2006-2011 CRF450R
Husqvarna 2010 TC250
Kawasaki 2006 KX 250
Kawasaki 2006-2012 KX 250F* 2006-2012 KX 450F
KTM 2006 125 SX 2006-2011 SX 250
KTM 2006-2012 250 SX-F* 2006-2012 450 SX-F
KTM 2011- 2012 350 SX-F
KTM 2009 450 XC
Suzuki 2006 RM 250
Suzuki 2006-2011 RMZ 250* 2006-2011 RMZ 450
Yamaha 2006-2009 YZ 125 2006-2010 YZ 250
Yamaha 2006-2011 YZ 250F* 2006-2011 YZ 450F
All 2006-2009 motorcycles previously approved and still suitable under the current rules for Motocross /
Supercross are eligible.
*Also eligible for the Supercross class

http://www.amaproracing.com//assets/AMAProApprovedMX.pdf

I may have to call them today to see why they haven't homologated the 125 and 250 SXs
When was that list dated? A 2006 model is now over 5 years old and if I remember correctly that disqualifies it from AMA Professional racing.
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burn1986 wrote:
This was the only list I could find right now, but there are some 2012 bikes listed. The following equipment list shows all motorcycles which are...
This was the only list I could find right now, but there are some 2012 bikes listed.

The following equipment list shows all motorcycles which are approved for Motocross / Supercross.
This list is provisional and additional manufacturers will be added as they are approved.
Motorcycles MX/SX Lites Motocross/Supercross
Honda 2006-2007 CR125R 2006-2007 CR250R
Honda 2006-2011 CRF250R* 2006-2011 CRF450R
Husqvarna 2010 TC250
Kawasaki 2006 KX 250
Kawasaki 2006-2012 KX 250F* 2006-2012 KX 450F
KTM 2006 125 SX 2006-2011 SX 250
KTM 2006-2012 250 SX-F* 2006-2012 450 SX-F
KTM 2011- 2012 350 SX-F
KTM 2009 450 XC
Suzuki 2006 RM 250
Suzuki 2006-2011 RMZ 250* 2006-2011 RMZ 450
Yamaha 2006-2009 YZ 125 2006-2010 YZ 250
Yamaha 2006-2011 YZ 250F* 2006-2011 YZ 450F
All 2006-2009 motorcycles previously approved and still suitable under the current rules for Motocross /
Supercross are eligible.
*Also eligible for the Supercross class

http://www.amaproracing.com//assets/AMAProApprovedMX.pdf

I may have to call them today to see why they haven't homologated the 125 and 250 SXs
newmann wrote:
When was that list dated? A 2006 model is now over 5 years old and if I remember correctly that disqualifies it from AMA Professional racing.
It's the current list. It includes 2012 models. See the sentence about all 2006-2009 models at the bottom of the list?

The real question is whether the issue with the 250SX was an act of omission or commission. You only have to submit homologation once every 5 years, and the 250SX previous homologation was good through last year. They might have just forgotten about it.
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TerryK wrote:
You guys still don't get it. The AMA and the manufactures don't want 2 strokes back. Period.

It's sad but very obviously true.
GrapeApe wrote:
I agree when it comes to the big 4, but KTM has put out a lot of promotional material to the affect they fully support the...
I agree when it comes to the big 4, but KTM has put out a lot of promotional material to the affect they fully support the continued development and use of 2 strokes. It seems awfully strange that they would not homologate a current '12 model motocross bike, if that is true. Is it confirmed that the bike is not homologated, or is this just Vital rhetoric?
KTM knows that they'd be pissing in the wind trying to push two strokes in AMA competition. Of course they are promoting their 2 stroke bikes, they do after all need to sell product, but that dosen't mean they are so delusional as to think the AMA will sway its 4 stroke stance.

Don't get me wrong, I'm as pro-2 stroke as anyone, but I'm also a realist and know that no one is changing the order of things any time soon.
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TerryK wrote:
You guys still don't get it. The AMA and the manufactures don't want 2 strokes back. Period.

It's sad but very obviously true.
GrapeApe wrote:
I agree when it comes to the big 4, but KTM has put out a lot of promotional material to the affect they fully support the...
I agree when it comes to the big 4, but KTM has put out a lot of promotional material to the affect they fully support the continued development and use of 2 strokes. It seems awfully strange that they would not homologate a current '12 model motocross bike, if that is true. Is it confirmed that the bike is not homologated, or is this just Vital rhetoric?
TerryK wrote:
KTM knows that they'd be pissing in the wind trying to push two strokes in AMA competition. Of course they are promoting their 2 stroke bikes...
KTM knows that they'd be pissing in the wind trying to push two strokes in AMA competition. Of course they are promoting their 2 stroke bikes, they do after all need to sell product, but that dosen't mean they are so delusional as to think the AMA will sway its 4 stroke stance.

Don't get me wrong, I'm as pro-2 stroke as anyone, but I'm also a realist and know that no one is changing the order of things any time soon.
Yeah I agree with your point, but for $3,000 (if in fact that is the number) why not? That is a miniscule percentage of their advertising budget which could easily be justified if just one Jeff Gibson-type shows up on a 250sx and creates some buzz. I know they aren't going to "push" the 250sx, but geez at least qualify it!

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