What Type of Dirt Biking Draws the Most Riders in Your Area?

Johnny Depp
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6/22/2018 10:51am Edited Date/Time 6/22/2018 11:54am
Of the places you ride or have knowledge of, what would you estimate attracts the biggest piece of the pie? This is not a survey format since percentages will likely be involved and the feedback is as interesting as the answer. Break down the types available to you if possible. This can include racing and practice or other events. What brings the crowd?

This is not about what you prefer, or Old Dudes vs. Kids. This is about Dirt Bike parks as a business, what priorities should land/track owners focus on? Where to best invest with land, time and money for return of investment?

Potential Types of Tracks:

National Style Hard MX
SX
Night tracks
Freestyle
Vet
Mini or beginner
Single track Trails
Dual track trails
Grass Track
Scrambles
Endurocross
Hard Enduro
Enduro
Desert
GP
Hillclimb
Trials

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kkawboy14
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6/22/2018 11:09am
MXers will ride anything, what they want is for the track owner to change the track often. The tracks in Texas are boring after about 4 rides there. Dade City changes the track for every points race. 27 times a year. Run it forward and backwards, moving jumps around and so forth. Keep it fresh is what we all want.
DA498
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6/22/2018 11:10am
The ones with the least amount of flaggers.
Naanak
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6/22/2018 11:13am
kkawboy14 wrote:
MXers will ride anything, what they want is for the track owner to change the track often. The tracks in Texas are boring after about 4...
MXers will ride anything, what they want is for the track owner to change the track often. The tracks in Texas are boring after about 4 rides there. Dade City changes the track for every points race. 27 times a year. Run it forward and backwards, moving jumps around and so forth. Keep it fresh is what we all want.
That would be so nice if more places did that.
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6/22/2018 11:14am Edited Date/Time 6/22/2018 11:15am
I will tell you, MX related, we always wanted somewhere ripped, maintained, actually worked on. And, if I could be really picky, Little to no rocks. I know that is a tall order in the northeast. My crew in PA had several tracks nearby but the owners we’re lazy to do any maintenance, so we would drive the 2.5 hours Wednesday nights and Saturday to hit Jackson’s pumpkin farm near Binghamton New York. Legit Top soil track, the he ripped and watered regularly. The rest was immaterial to me. Including the drive and price.

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Johnny Depp
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6/22/2018 11:24am Edited Date/Time 6/22/2018 11:29am
From my view in Central Texas this is how I would score it:

40% MX spread among 7 day and night tracks Hard MX style. 100-400 riders.
25% Scrambles (Races only) 200-250 riders. 1 series Torcs.
25% Enduro (Races only) 200-300 riders. 1 series. Many riders also Scramble. TSCEC
8% Vet MX 100-400 riders, 2 tracks
2% mini 3 tracks

The question is where is there growth opportunity, and where is the market saturated?
Johnny Depp
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6/22/2018 11:28am Edited Date/Time 6/22/2018 11:30am
kkawboy14 wrote:
MXers will ride anything, what they want is for the track owner to change the track often. The tracks in Texas are boring after about 4...
MXers will ride anything, what they want is for the track owner to change the track often. The tracks in Texas are boring after about 4 rides there. Dade City changes the track for every points race. 27 times a year. Run it forward and backwards, moving jumps around and so forth. Keep it fresh is what we all want.
Thanks Scott, good input. You get around here a bit, where do you see the rider's heading?
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6/22/2018 11:28am Edited Date/Time 6/22/2018 11:28am
I think there are more beginner to immediate riders than there are intermediate to expert. That could be totally wrong, though. I like a track that isn’t super dangerous. Not trying to sound like a bitch. But most of us aren’t paid to ride and have work on Monday. I value a track that is fun, flowy, but I’m not spewing out Hail Marys off 30 percent of the jumps. Personally, the most fun tracks I’ve been to were baby-intermediate tracks at someone’s house.
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6/22/2018 11:30am
Decent moisture and no giant rocks. I also am not a giant fan of super steep landings
kkawboy14
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6/22/2018 11:45am
kkawboy14 wrote:
MXers will ride anything, what they want is for the track owner to change the track often. The tracks in Texas are boring after about 4...
MXers will ride anything, what they want is for the track owner to change the track often. The tracks in Texas are boring after about 4 rides there. Dade City changes the track for every points race. 27 times a year. Run it forward and backwards, moving jumps around and so forth. Keep it fresh is what we all want.
Thanks Scott, good input. You get around here a bit, where do you see the rider's heading?
I’m heading to Murphy’s tonight ?
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Xc in Indiana is HUGE, Mx is dead around here
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6/22/2018 1:16pm
Marty1028 wrote:
Xc in Indiana is HUGE, Mx is dead around here
Ditto around here.

There are a couple of tracks that run regularly (Calhoun, Scrubndirt; there may be others but I’m not in the game anymore). Otherwise, MX is gone. And it’s just f’ing sad.
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Marty1028 wrote:
Xc in Indiana is HUGE, Mx is dead around here
CG118 wrote:
Ditto around here. There are a couple of tracks that run regularly (Calhoun, Scrubndirt; there may be others but I’m not in the game anymore). Otherwise...
Ditto around here.

There are a couple of tracks that run regularly (Calhoun, Scrubndirt; there may be others but I’m not in the game anymore). Otherwise, MX is gone. And it’s just f’ing sad.
Wildcat is only still around because of the area qualifyier if it wasnt for that it would be shut down
MX915
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6/22/2018 2:55pm
Ever since I started racing hare scrambles I have little desire to ride MX. Natural terrain MX, sure. But todays outdoor supercross tracks, no way. Hare scrambles around here get 5-600 entries. I don't believe MX is near that.
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6/22/2018 3:09pm Edited Date/Time 6/22/2018 3:13pm
Quads x SXS, if you are hammered they don’t fall over when you stop.

Hare scrambles is really picking up. East coast, playing in the woods makes a ton of sense, great trails within a mile!
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6/22/2018 5:18pm
JDay off road is where the ridders are in
new england rite now
Johnny Depp
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6/22/2018 5:58pm
I'm surprised we haven't heard much out of SoCal? It seems that almost all the tracks I hear of there have many choices. As an example, Glen Helen has the National track, RPM/Vet track, Endurocross, trails where the run the 24 hr. etc. and I'm curious, where is the most action? Which area stay full and which empty? What about other tracks?
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Wheelie boyz
Sharpe325
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6/22/2018 6:11pm
Here in alabama motocross is doing pretty good but it seems like the hare scrambles is drawing a ton of riders.
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6/22/2018 7:44pm
SECCA is a cross country racing deal in Alabama. Really cool. Track, woods combo.

The format changes. They may run 1 moto, 2 motos, or 4 motos. Olympic scoring.
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CG118 wrote:
SECCA is a cross country racing deal in Alabama. Really cool. Track, woods combo. The format changes. They may run 1 moto, 2 motos, or 4...
SECCA is a cross country racing deal in Alabama. Really cool. Track, woods combo.

The format changes. They may run 1 moto, 2 motos, or 4 motos. Olympic scoring.
Oh yea the SECCA series here is huge now and them dudes can fly through the woods.
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6/22/2018 11:53pm
close to 12k miles of single track and 48 inch or less trails here in Idaho. 2 strokes rule up here.
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6/23/2018 3:38am
In Connecticut, there's really no where to ride open to the public anymore other than one state forest with trails (which is nice) but you have to have a street legal, registered bike and a license to ride there because some of the trails take you onto public roads. There's a local track that in order to ride at you have to be a member of, other than on open practice and race days. So basically everyone kind of finds a place that might be hidden and they can get away with riding for a while before the local law enforcement shows up. It's mostly sand tracks around here (I believe that's the case with most of new England)

Tony Larusso used to have a track here open to the public but I believe that closed not too long ago, and we had an indoor track for a few years until the roof collapsed.

Long story long, it's tough to say what really draws what in. I would say its mostly trail riding and sketchy illegal tracks.
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6/23/2018 3:41am
pete24 wrote:
JDay off road is where the ridders are in
new england rite now
ive actually been wanting to look into these recently. I'm too old to really be pushing myself on a regular MX track since I didn't really start "riding" until my mid 20's (only had small bikes and quads growing up and didn't get a real bike until my late twenties). J-days seem like a decent combo of trail and track.
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6/23/2018 7:03am
pete24 wrote:
JDay off road is where the ridders are in
new england rite now
I was going to say the same thing. I've yet to make it out to one but I'd like to.
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6/23/2018 7:31am
The whole dirt bike racing scene has fell off as a whole in Kentucky. I’m not even sure we still have a state motocross series and I know the hare scramble series died a few years ago. When a series has a hare scramble race in KY the turnout is usually good with a lot of KY riders. I’d say the off road scene is stronger as a whole in this area of the states vs. motocross.

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