Wey and the KTM

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WTF guys,

Did they put a linkage on Nicks bike?

Pos. No. Rider name Hometown Bike Lap Int. Sponsors
1 22 Chad Reed Tampa, FL Yamaha YZ450F 20 --- San Manuel Band of Mission Indians / Yamaha Motor Corp / Fusion Energy
2 14 Kevin W. Windham Centreville, MS Honda CRF450R 20 4.168 Torco Racing Fuels / Honda
3 118 David D. Millsaps Tallahassee, FL Honda CRF450R 20 6.4 Honda Red Bull Racing
4 29 Andrew T. Short Smithville, TX Honda CRF450R 20 40.972 Honda Red Bull Racing
5 40 Joshua R. Hill Yoncalla, OR Yamaha YZ450F 20 49.413 Yamaha Motor Corp / Bridgestone / Thor / Parts Unlimited
[u:hh4ecu1d]6 27 Nicholas A. Wey Dewitt, MI KTM 450SX 20 51.814 MDK KTM [/u:hh4ecu1d]
7 15 Timmy M. Ferry Largo, FL Kawasaki KX450F 20 80.748 Monster Energy Kawasaki
8 44 Troy K. Adams Homosassa, FL Honda CRF450R 19 --- Rockstar / Hart & Huntington Tatoo Co / Leo Vince / JST Rcng / Motostrano / Honda / Carter Pwr Sprts / Sunline / FOX / DUS / All Sprt Dynamics / Clock Wrk Entrprs / KEN / Pro Honda / Mac Tools / Rooke Customs / SDG / One Ind / Merse Rcng / Wknd Warrior / Pro Wheel / OGIO / MXIDsystems.com / ACERBIS / Dunlop / Hinson / QTM / Wrks Con
9 24 Charles J. Summey Huntersville, NC Yamaha YZ450F 19 --- Joe Gibbs Racing / Yamaha
10 37 Jason W. Thomas Melrose, FL Honda CRF450R 19 --- DNA Energy Drink / BTO Sports / Rick Case Honda / Fly / WMI / BelRay / FMF / Sunline / 661 / Wiseco / XBrand / Visuwals / ASMF / ICW / Dunlop / QTM / Talon / CV4 / Exceldine / Dream Traxx / MX Press / Regina / Applied / Sponsohouse / Twin Air / Ogio / Acerbis / MX ID Systems / Devol / Leatt / FLmx / Reactor Watches / Group D Manf / Pit Posse
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3/29/2008 11:06pm
Man dat Tricky Nicky is fas man.
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He ran 5th most of the race. Hill pressured him on the last few laps and got around on the last lap. It was a good ride for Nick.
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3/30/2008 7:12am
they have a bike with a link that the Euro guys are testing. I hope they use the production rule and let Nick run it.
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3/30/2008 7:18am Edited Date/Time 4/16/2016 6:29pm
[quote="j100":2qz8z6fq]they have a bike with a link that the Euro guys are testing. I hope they use the production rule and let Nick run it.[/quote:2qz8z6fq]
KTM has already used the exemption rule.

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3/30/2008 7:19am Edited Date/Time 4/16/2016 6:29pm
[quote="j100":lfea4gea]they have a bike with a link that the Euro guys are testing. I hope they use the production rule and let Nick run it.[/quote:lfea4gea]
I believe that production rule exemption is only as it relates to 4 stroke technology and testing, not chassis.
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Years ago, KTM wanted to move the shock attachment point on their swingarm for AMA racing, and the AMA wouldn't let them. If that's the case, I doubt they'd let KTM run a linkage.
3/30/2008 7:59am
For pete's sake it's not about linkage. Wey and MDK had the Honda figured out. They were clueless when it came to the KTM. They had to get a baseline to build experience and it took longer than it should have. This and the fact that Wey isn't exactly the healthiest rider in the series accounts for the lack luster results. If the KTM design is so bad how is it they have success in the 125/250F class?
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3/30/2008 8:01am
sorry, but it's the linkage! have you spoke to Nick lately? well, let's just keep it at that!
3/30/2008 8:16am Edited Date/Time 4/16/2016 6:29pm
[quote="j100":3dp4ua5v]sorry, but it's the linkage! have you spoke to Nick lately? well, let's just keep it at that![/quote:3dp4ua5v]


What do you think he would say...

"It's me, I have been hurt and sick and haven't been able to do all that I could. Hey I have never won a SX race and I have only been on the podium like what less than 5 times? It's not like I'm a former SX or MX champ and went straight into the crapper."

and please explain the success in the 125/250F classes? What do those bikes run an special hidden magic linkage?
3/30/2008 8:29am Edited Date/Time 4/16/2016 6:29pm
[quote="mXpunk511":2bsx6m3r]it looks like nik's healthy & ready too moto!!![/quote:2bsx6m3r]


Exactly and maybe if he can take the final steps up the podium people will get off the "it needs linkage" BS.
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3/30/2008 10:20am Edited Date/Time 4/16/2016 6:29pm
And when the Katoom is on the podium, the pundits will say "they'd have won with a linkage".
And if they win the pundits will say "they'd have dominated the race with a linkage".
And if they dominate the pundits will say "they'd have dominated every race with a linkage".
3/30/2008 10:25am Edited Date/Time 4/16/2016 6:29pm
[quote="flarider":39953fyp][quote="j100":39953fyp]they have a bike with a link that the Euro guys are testing. I hope they use the production rule and let Nick run it.[/quote:39953fyp]
I believe that production rule exemption is only as it relates to 4 stroke technology and testing, not chassis.[/quote:39953fyp]


Since there wasn't even a "production" chassis for the YZ400, how did Yamaha get away with running suspension at all?
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3/30/2008 10:32am Edited Date/Time 4/16/2016 6:29pm
It was part of the total package.
No one expected the OEM's the wedge 4 strokes into 85cc frames

It's called the "four stroke exception rule"

Stop being stupid
3/30/2008 10:34am Edited Date/Time 4/16/2016 6:29pm
[quote="flarider":17481n8d]It was part of the total package.
No one expected the OEM's the wedge 4 strokes into 85cc frames

It's called the "four stroke exception rule"

Stop being stupid[/quote:17481n8d]


So all they have to do is to have a "new" engine in place, and they should be able to run a different chassis, right?
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3/30/2008 10:45am
If they have not used their exception, I believe yes
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3/30/2008 12:55pm Edited Date/Time 4/16/2016 6:29pm
[quote="WORCSRACER":p54x0i4g][quote="j100":p54x0i4g]sorry, but it's the linkage! have you spoke to Nick lately? well, let's just keep it at that![/quote:p54x0i4g]


What do you think he would say...

"It's me, I have been hurt and sick and haven't been able to do all that I could. Hey I have never won a SX race and I have only been on the podium like what less than 5 times? It's not like I'm a former SX or MX champ and went straight into the crapper."

and please explain the success in the 125/250F classes? What do those bikes run an special hidden magic linkage?[/quote:p54x0i4g]

[quote:p54x0i4g]For pete's sake it's not about linkage. Wey and MDK had the Honda figured out. They were clueless when it came to the KTM. They had to get a baseline to build experience and it took longer than it should have. This and the fact that Wey isn't exactly the healthiest rider in the series accounts for the lack luster results. If the KTM design is so bad how is it they have success in the 125/250F class?[/quote:p54x0i4g]


You are both so right.

And as for the 125/250 question, the only answer you will get on here is, ehh it's different for them, they appear to work.
No one really knows what they are talking about.
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KTM has always done better on the smaller bikes but to say they have done good in the 250f class is going a bit far.
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3/30/2008 1:50pm Edited Date/Time 4/16/2016 6:29pm
[quote="Matt Fisher":pbs4byru]And when the Katoom is on the podium, the pundits will say "they'd have won with a linkage".
And if they win the pundits will say "they'd have dominated the race with a linkage".
And if they dominate the pundits will say "they'd have dominated every race with a linkage".[/quote:pbs4byru]

What happens when they dominate every race?
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3/30/2008 2:13pm Edited Date/Time 4/16/2016 6:29pm
[quote="flarider":1dy1ml4k]If they have not used their exception, I believe yes[/quote:1dy1ml4k]

Didn't they use it with Lance Smail the same year Yamaha did.
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3/30/2008 2:24pm
It was with Smail, not sure of year
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I don't think nick has a problem with the linkage, in fact he says he likes his bike a lot. He got injured a lot last year and had a bit a scary experience with the brain bleeding. Maybe he's thinking of the bigger picture now that he has a daughter. Awesome ride though, he got hill back after being passed the corner before the triple but then got passed in a rhythm section were hill was faster all night.
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3/30/2008 4:33pm Edited Date/Time 4/16/2016 6:29pm
[quote="4mxonly":cwy9qd8b]...in fact he says he likes his bike a lot. [/quote:cwy9qd8b]
Excuse me?
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3/30/2008 4:35pm Edited Date/Time 4/16/2016 6:29pm
[quote="4mxonly":2ynoam7h]....in fact he says he likes his bike a lot....[/quote:2ynoam7h]

Really? When and where did he say this?
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3/30/2008 4:38pm Edited Date/Time 4/16/2016 6:29pm
[quote="flarider":229y9xoy]It was with Smail, not sure of year[/quote:229y9xoy]

Smail and Kalos tried to qualify on those Husaburgs , I think they used the exemption the year before Yamaha showed up with the Thumper.
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3/30/2008 4:47pm Edited Date/Time 4/16/2016 6:29pm
[quote="Spinner":gcjbto69][quote="4mxonly":gcjbto69]....in fact he says he likes his bike a lot....[/quote:gcjbto69]

Really? When and where did he say this?[/quote:gcjbto69]

It's funny because I was talking to a good friend of mine (who is very close with n wey) while we were in toronto this weekend. I was asking him what the deal was with nick and voiced a lot of what people usually speculate about his performance this year. He told me that nick really likes the bike.
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3/30/2008 4:54pm Edited Date/Time 4/16/2016 6:29pm
[quote="flarider":1req2cvm][quote="4mxonly":1req2cvm]...in fact he says he likes his bike a lot. [/quote:1req2cvm]
Excuse me?[/quote:1req2cvm]
I haven’t spoken to either Nick or T Wey in years so I can’t tell you what he thinks of his bike. I can speak for my son and his opinion is that the 04 sx 250 was better than the 05 YZ 250 but neither was as good as the 06 CR 450F.

Linkage is overrated and most of the people that bash the KTM have never even thrown a leg over one.
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3/30/2008 6:07pm Edited Date/Time 4/16/2016 6:29pm
[quote="jmar":2u006o0h][quote="flarider":2u006o0h][quote="4mxonly":2u006o0h]...in fact he says he likes his bike a lot. [/quote:2u006o0h]
Excuse me?[/quote:2u006o0h]
I haven’t spoken to either Nick or T Wey in years so I can’t tell you what he thinks of his bike. I can speak for my son and his opinion is that the 04 sx 250 was better than the 05 YZ 250 but neither was as good as the 06 CR 450F.

Linkage is overrated and most of the people that bash the KTM have never even thrown a leg over one.[/quote:2u006o0h]

I don't think it's overrated on a big bike on a SX track. Lighter bikes aren't as critical, but, based on how my KTMs always handled, it matters on big whoops.
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3/30/2008 6:32pm
[quote:3dh62db4]I don't think it's overrated on a big bike on a SX track. Lighter bikes aren't as critical, but, based on how my KTMs always handled, it matters on big whoops.[/quote:3dh62db4]

My son would disagree. His Munn KTM 250sx was a better bike in the whoops than his Tamer YZ 250.

Suspension:
KTM:
KTM hard parts kit forks and shock. Valved by Factory Connection

YZ:
Production units valved by Enzo.
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[quote:12pzabj9][/quote:12pzabj9]
Linkage is overrated and most of the people that bash the KTM have never even thrown a leg over one.[/quote]


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I can not tell you how many guys that bashed my KTM's that never rode one and changed their minds after riding one. Its the moto-hip thing to bash KTM even though they are more into R&D than any other brand.

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