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11/20/2020 10:43 AM

In the last few pulp interviews it Craig and Martin seem to be raving about how much better the bikes are especially cornering and now the PC Shimoda video he says he was accidentally quading things with fast the Kawi is

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11/20/2020 10:45 AM

Its my opinion if you put Dylan on the Geico bike last year he would still be champ.

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11/20/2020 10:49 AM

You really think a rider would sign to a new team and not say the new bike is better???

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11/20/2020 11:01 AM

POWLEY256 wrote:

You really think a rider would sign to a new team and not say the new bike is better???

They usually aren’t that open about it, especially someone like Craig who has strong relationships with the team

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11/20/2020 11:04 AM
Edited Date/Time: 11/20/2020 11:04 AM

Jeremy Martin had the best average position after the holeshot line of all 250 riders outdoors in 2020, the bike was fine.

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11/20/2020 11:11 AM

Motofinne wrote:

Jeremy Martin had the best average position after the holeshot line of all 250 riders outdoors in 2020, the bike was fine.

I think Jeremy could have had a handful of better finishes if he had been on the Yamaha, he put in a hell of an effort and fought till the end though.

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11/20/2020 11:14 AM

Motofinne wrote:

Jeremy Martin had the best average position after the holeshot line of all 250 riders outdoors in 2020, the bike was fine.

early wrote:

I think Jeremy could have had a handful of better finishes if he had been on the Yamaha, he put in a hell of an effort and fought till the end though.

Probably slightly better, but not enough to beat Ferrandis.

If the bike advantage is so big as most claim, he should win 2021 pretty comfortably. Anything else is a failure.

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11/20/2020 11:17 AM

Motofinne wrote:

Jeremy Martin had the best average position after the holeshot line of all 250 riders outdoors in 2020, the bike was fine.

It looks like several factory bikes, including Geico's, made tons of power, but the bike that everyone is talking about as best-in-class has that really hard-pulling bottom end that makes digging out of corners and getting over the big obstacles easier.

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11/20/2020 11:42 AM

"accidentally quading things" lol grin

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11/20/2020 12:20 PM

They are still fresh on the new bikes

Riders tend to focus on what the new bikes do well right off the bat. Rooting out minor issues and bad traits takes lots of hours and testing.

Give it some time.

This 250 generation for Yamaha is a really good bike, no denying that, but the Geico Honda team knew how to build a really competitive bike and I can’t think they were handicapped much.

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11/20/2020 12:24 PM

you here it all the time when a rider goes to a new team, no one is EVER going to say the bike is slower or as fast, they will always say its faster even if it isnt....

I agree with posters above, if JM doesnt win the title then what will people say about the yamaha?

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11/20/2020 12:50 PM

Martins Honda handled like crap. That thing was jumping all over the place. Way different from his Yamaha days. Power wasn’t near as much of an issue as handling was.

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11/20/2020 1:19 PM

seth505 wrote:

"accidentally quading things" lol grin

Right!?

You don't "accidentally" quad things. This isn't Mad Skill MX lol

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11/20/2020 4:46 PM
Edited Date/Time: 11/20/2020 5:01 PM

seth505 wrote:

"accidentally quading things" lol grin

BroFoSho wrote:

Right!?

You don't "accidentally" quad things. This isn't Mad Skill MX lol

Quite easy on a supercross track actually. Its a matter of about 5-10 mph, and when you haven't had to have precise timing for months on end its easy to miscalculate. Especially if you're riding a hard packed SX for the first time after riding deep outdoor tracks.

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11/20/2020 4:56 PM

The Star Yamaha 250's make really good torque. The Geico bikes may make similar peak horsepower numbers but those Star Yamaha's were stout.

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11/20/2020 5:10 PM

Mm471 wrote:

In the last few pulp interviews it Craig and Martin seem to be raving about how much better the bikes are especially cornering and now the PC Shimoda video he says he was accidentally quading things with fast the Kawi is

A few years ago a certain rider would start with a new team and he was always 2 or 3 seconds faster the first day on the new bike.I think this happened about 800 times....

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11/20/2020 5:50 PM

seth505 wrote:

"accidentally quading things" lol grin

BroFoSho wrote:

Right!?

You don't "accidentally" quad things. This isn't Mad Skill MX lol

Bludwigsen wrote:

Quite easy on a supercross track actually. Its a matter of about 5-10 mph, and when you haven't had to have precise timing for months on end its easy to miscalculate. Especially if you're riding a hard packed SX for the first time after riding deep outdoor tracks.

I’ll politely disagree. Overjump and face/case the quad, sure. try to triple and accidentally clear a quad, maybe if drunk or high.

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11/20/2020 5:53 PM
Edited Date/Time: 11/20/2020 6:02 PM

BroFoSho wrote:

Right!?

You don't "accidentally" quad things. This isn't Mad Skill MX lol

Bludwigsen wrote:

Quite easy on a supercross track actually. Its a matter of about 5-10 mph, and when you haven't had to have precise timing for months on end its easy to miscalculate. Especially if you're riding a hard packed SX for the first time after riding deep outdoor tracks.

seth505 wrote:

I’ll politely disagree. Overjump and face/case the quad, sure. try to triple and accidentally clear a quad, maybe if drunk or high.

He said almost quad, which in riders terms means overshot the pocket and into the face of the 4th jump. As someone who has spent plenty of time on an sx track, trust me, its really easy to face the quad first week on an sx track. He wasn't saying it literally.

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11/20/2020 6:05 PM

Bludwigsen wrote:

Quite easy on a supercross track actually. Its a matter of about 5-10 mph, and when you haven't had to have precise timing for months on end its easy to miscalculate. Especially if you're riding a hard packed SX for the first time after riding deep outdoor tracks.

seth505 wrote:

I’ll politely disagree. Overjump and face/case the quad, sure. try to triple and accidentally clear a quad, maybe if drunk or high.

Bludwigsen wrote:

He said almost quad, which in riders terms means overshot the pocket and into the face of the 4th jump. As someone who has spent plenty of time on an sx track, trust me, its really easy to face the quad first week on an sx track. He wasn't saying it literally.

My bad then, didn’t realize he talked about facing it. I agree that’s easy to do.

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11/21/2020 12:01 AM

seth505 wrote:

"accidentally quading things" lol grin

BroFoSho wrote:

Right!?

You don't "accidentally" quad things. This isn't Mad Skill MX lol

Bludwigsen wrote:

Quite easy on a supercross track actually. Its a matter of about 5-10 mph, and when you haven't had to have precise timing for months on end its easy to miscalculate. Especially if you're riding a hard packed SX for the first time after riding deep outdoor tracks.

If you’ve ever ridden a real sx track you’d be pretty embarrassed by what you just said

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11/21/2020 3:04 PM

WoodsRacer wrote:

Its my opinion if you put Dylan on the Geico bike last year he would still be champ.

If Jmart and Dylan swapped bikes, now that would be interesting

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11/21/2020 3:49 PM

DynoDan22 wrote:

The Star Yamaha 250's make really good torque. The Geico bikes may make similar peak horsepower numbers but those Star Yamaha's were stout.

I havent seen the dyno reports from those teams, can you share them with us?

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11/21/2020 4:14 PM

I think it mattered twice this year. At Millville and Lakewood. If Jeremy was on a Star bike, he wins Millville easily. I'm not sure if he wins at Lakewood, but he was at a massive disadvantage there.

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