Well that's the end of air forks

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Edited Date/Time 5/30/2016 10:29am
Put a fork in 'em. Lol
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slipdog 5/28/2016 3:00pm
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Bruce372 wrote:
Put a fork in 'em. Lol
Agreed... was only a matter of time before took a win away from someone.
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Bruce372 5/28/2016 3:04pm
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Yeah, they suck....only thing stopping me from breaking out of the C class
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Still might buy a KTM with air forks haha
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So at this point between motos, do you put a set of spring forks on (if that's an option) to appease Roczen and try to get some of that bad mojo out of his head?

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slipdog 5/28/2016 3:20pm
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quicken wrote:
So at this point between motos, do you put a set of spring forks on (if that's an option) to appease Roczen and try to get...
So at this point between motos, do you put a set of spring forks on (if that's an option) to appease Roczen and try to get some of that bad mojo out of his head?
If they don't have a spring set up they'll likely fix the fork seal for moto 2 and start testing the springers on Monday.
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Rotaholic 5/28/2016 3:21pm
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A bad look for Suzuki and they don't even come out with kybs
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schrader valve fell out??? $7 part.
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blackdiamond 5/28/2016 3:26pm
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Bruce372 wrote:
Put a fork in 'em. Lol
slipdog wrote:
Agreed... was only a matter of time before took a win away from someone.
Isn't it about time they just give up on the whole concept? There is a reason why almost every other form of motor racing uses coil spring suspension. IT WORKS.









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kiwifan 5/28/2016 3:28pm
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Rotaholic wrote:
A bad look for Suzuki and they don't even come out with kybs
No, it is a "bad look" for the KYB factory not Suzuki, Suzuki do not make the forks, and the forks are factory forks not ones you buy off the showroom floor
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blackdiamond 5/28/2016 3:31pm
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No, it is a "bad look" for the KYB factory not Suzuki, Suzuki do not make the forks, and the forks are factory forks not ones...
No, it is a "bad look" for the KYB factory not Suzuki, Suzuki do not make the forks, and the forks are factory forks not ones you buy off the showroom floor
The average fan doesn't know that, all they see is the #94 going backwards. I feel bad for Kenny, he was killing it.
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cwtoyota 5/28/2016 3:42pm
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mx317 wrote:
[img]http://www.smartperformanceinc.com/brokenspring.jpg[/img]
Mean time between failures...
The service life of fork springs seems to be a little longer than fork seals. You don't even need an air-fork to figure that out.

No way this is the end of air-forks, they weigh less, they cost less and most people can't feel the difference.
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kiwifan 5/28/2016 3:45pm
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blackdiamond wrote:
The average fan doesn't know that, all they see is the #94 going backwards. I feel bad for Kenny, he was killing it.
Well at least he got 4th, so not a tragedy :-)
Andy_Greenney 5/28/2016 3:46pm
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Still haven't found a bike that handles like my 12 crf450 on ohlins....when I do I might give the air forks a try
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blackdiamond 5/28/2016 3:55pm
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Let's just hope one of the 27 different electrical components on these fuel injected masterpieces doesn't fail and ruin Kenny's second moto. That was a familiar storyline for more than one team last year.
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kiwifan wrote:
No, it is a "bad look" for the KYB factory not Suzuki, Suzuki do not make the forks, and the forks are factory forks not ones...
No, it is a "bad look" for the KYB factory not Suzuki, Suzuki do not make the forks, and the forks are factory forks not ones you buy off the showroom floor
blackdiamond wrote:
The average fan doesn't know that, all they see is the #94 going backwards. I feel bad for Kenny, he was killing it.
Exactly. Like dungeys fuel issue in 2011.

All fans see is a dnf from a Suzuki.
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sozo 5/28/2016 3:58pm
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mx317 wrote:
[img]http://www.smartperformanceinc.com/brokenspring.jpg[/img]
That's exactly what I was thinking... remember all those broken ti springs in the beginning...
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Beast666 5/28/2016 4:51pm
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Flatliner wrote:
Exactly. Like dungeys fuel issue in 2011.

All fans see is a dnf from a Suzuki.
4th place on the lead lap classifies as a DNF???

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Mr. G 5/28/2016 4:54pm
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In a distantly related question. Is motorcycle racing the only vehicle form that uses linkage systems?
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Beast666 5/28/2016 5:09pm
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Mr. G wrote:
In a distantly related question. Is motorcycle racing the only vehicle form that uses linkage systems?
Nope most of the Formula cars use Linkage suspension systems. Also a lot of them use Torsion Spring over a coil spring setup. Unfortunately modern telescoping forks cannot use Torsion springs.
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Phillip_Lamb 5/28/2016 5:10pm
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i thought Ken was already using the spring. didnt he make the change last year in the nationals?
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blackdiamond 5/28/2016 5:25pm
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Mr. G wrote:
In a distantly related question. Is motorcycle racing the only vehicle form that uses linkage systems?
The top picture I posted above is of a Formula One car.
metal_miracle 5/28/2016 5:49pm
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i have seen Broken fork springs inside of a yz250 fork. have seen a shock had its piston blow out the bottom.

Failures can happen on sping forks too
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Flatliner 5/28/2016 6:21pm
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Flatliner wrote:
Exactly. Like dungeys fuel issue in 2011.

All fans see is a dnf from a Suzuki.
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4th place on the lead lap classifies as a DNF???
My mistake. I was out and about when I posted and I thought he dnf' at the time.
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GuyB 5/28/2016 6:23pm
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The failure in the first moto was due to an aftermarket fitting the team added to the fork. According to the team, there were no issues with the fork itself. The fitting caused the issue.
Underground 5/28/2016 6:39pm
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I've seen plenty of pneumatic tires cause a DNF also. Better change them out while your there and get some of those good old solid versions that are more reliable. don't get me started on coolant leaks either
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Bruce372 5/28/2016 11:08pm
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Don't forget spokes. Langston lost a championship because of spokes...
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ChrisB10 5/28/2016 11:11pm
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I hate air forks but in the interview with Georgia the team manager made it sound like they forgot a $7 part. Not that a part failed or it was a fitting issue. Can't knock air forks because suspension guy made a mistake.
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mmcmx 5/29/2016 1:21am
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This and Honda going back to spring in production, yeah, put a fork in them I'd say, at least in my garage.
Andy_Greenney 5/29/2016 2:33am
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ChrisB10 wrote:
I hate air forks but in the interview with Georgia the team manager made it sound like they forgot a $7 part. Not that a part...
I hate air forks but in the interview with Georgia the team manager made it sound like they forgot a $7 part. Not that a part failed or it was a fitting issue. Can't knock air forks because suspension guy made a mistake.
I'm surprised the team manager didn't blame it on the forks they are having trouble pushing on to customers....

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