Webb’s dominance vs annihilation

Dungey did the same thing and people said he was slow.

A win is a win

Its smart. Hes on a new bike, new trainer, still new to 450 class, and just got his first win this sx season... now 4 more. Usually you win one here then one there for a bit before moving up to the level hes at. He has lots of room to grow. The fact that he still wins on his off nights is huge.

deluxeman wrote:

Dungey did the same thing and people said he was slow.

A win is a win

Look I’m totally down with it. Webb’s my guy and it’s more of a compliment of his race craft

He gets outs front a rides a brick wall. His defence is the best I’ve ever seen. He can make a pass then instantly defend the next corner. He wants to win and does just that.

Webb is actually looking a bit like McGrath on the bike. Get a good start, run a good comfortable pace and he seems unaffected by the pressure which is huge. I believe that is the factor that separates real title contenders from everyone else. A lot of guys can get good starts and run in the top 3 for 6 laps or whatever (Savatgy, J Hill, Mookie, Deano....)but eventually they fade/get pressured into mistakes/etc. A lot of guys can holeshot and end up 6th, the real ballers holeshot and ride a virtually flawless race and win those races. Webb has done this a few times already, Atl is not a one-off performance, like Brayton @Daytona.

Webb, or perhaps someone very close to him, must have read Ake's book. In it he states, 'The idea is to win, at the slowest speed possible.' Paraphrasing, of course.

drt410 wrote:

Its smart. Hes on a new bike, new trainer, still new to 450 class, and just got his first win this sx season... now 4 more. Usually you win one here then one there for a bit before moving up to the level hes at. He has lots of room to grow. The fact that he still wins on his off nights is huge.

I agree. He seems to be riding smart more than anything. Fast and aggressive when he needs to but calculated and precise. Hes riding his own race and not concerned about riding over his head just to gap the field.

Controls the race, like CR22 RD5 etc..
I feel he has more in the tank.

They nailed it on the article. He is SMART. He learns and watches and improves through the night like at the last triple crown. Last night he held his own and did exactly as Blair called it. Held a tight enough line (defense) in the corners but rode that line aggressive (offense). He made them come to him and eat roost and make a mistake and fall back. Even when he missed the 3-3 a few times and they closed up again he didn't freak out - he just stuck to his game.

I am impressed. Liked him before, like him even more now.

Smartest guy on the track. Amazed at his awareness and judgement.

This saturday was very interesting...
The second Baggett or Musquin were getting really close, Webb found that little breeze of fresh air...
Very versatile too, these last few weeks, he's really been winning in very different fashions...
He's for real.

deluxeman wrote:

Dungey did the same thing and people said he was slow.

A win is a win

Pretty much. The comparison is valid especially when you compare against someone like E.T.

RD on bad nights got 2nd or 3rd. Same for Cooper. When ET and many others have a bad night....they get 6th-10th. Or worse.

Yup, the point is to win... thats it. The slower you can go and still win the less on the edge you are and the less mistakes. Someone in one of these threads was saying how Webb hasnt shown Kenny 16’ sx speed... yea cuz that worked out great. I love Ken, but wtf comparison is that? Tomac 15... Webb would probably like to be a little further out, but the faster you are riding than the rest of the world class racers on the track the closer you are to catastrophe.

Yeah if Webb could put up a larger gap he definitely would.

Just remember when Webb won his 250 titles. He won like this. Some nights he didn’t kill them. He just did what it takes to win. He is super smart. A couple years ago he was winning the title in the west and I ran into him at the dmxs party in Atlanta. He was in the lead for the title and double fisting corona at a dmxs party. Now he is with Alden Baker. He’s back to his title winning ways but with a perfect training program. I say watch out

Solid laps, a few 2019 sx wins and the red number plate ... a lot of fast pros would love to be able to say that.

cameron96 wrote:

He gets outs front a rides a brick wall. His defence is the best I’ve ever seen. He can make a pass then instantly defend the next corner. He wants to win and does just that.

" He can make a pass then instantly defend the next corner."
Cross jumping helps.

I think he has more speed in reserve, but as many have said, why race on the edge when you’re already winning and have the points lead. You don’t get extra points by winning by a larger margin. He’s staying on two wheels and that is what it takes when you’re in the position he’s in.

I remember when Stew would be way out front and then wad. Coop is playing it smart.

Kid Spam wrote:

Smartest guy on the track. Amazed at his awareness and judgement.

Really¿??? Let's talk the previous two seasons and just how smart he was....

Not only does he have the speed to win while running a comfortable place, but he knows how to maintain a championship; and that's even more for the competition to fret about.

Cooper has now had time to grow a little bit comfortable with the red plate while his closest competition keeps slipping. He may not win this title but I doubt that he will make any glaring mistakes from this point on.

I find it more interesting that the guys that have been behind him have been so friendly when it comes to trying to pass him. In BB4 and MM25s case, I understand because they are KTM guys. KR and ET are not. It will be interesting to see as these close races playout with who is close behind him.

Did any of the circle jerkers in here see him almost throw it away on Saturday night coming off the bridge? Getting good starts is a pretty big part of what he has done. I wouldnt count Kenny Marv or Eli out yet. 1 night can change the whole season and there are many more nights to go.

biscuit11 wrote:

Did any of the circle jerkers in here see him almost throw it away on Saturday night coming off the bridge? Getting good starts is a pretty big part of what he has done. I wouldnt count Kenny Marv or Eli out yet. 1 night can change the whole season and there are many more nights to go.

This.
He has been great but he's "only" 13 points ahead with 8 rounds to go.
Anything can happen.
All 4 guys are still very much alive in this thing. Tomac 22 points back isn't ideal but he's Eli Tomac, he could go on a 5-week win streak next weekend. If Roczen was 22 points back I'd say it's pretty much over

The win by an inch helps his brand. He’s just gotta consistently shoot people with his finger pistol. That destroys his competition mentally.

Eli is riding around in mid pack, Anderson out, 94 is not 94, Musqusin was reaching brilliance with Dungey...but no more. Webb is not going to be beaten by the current top 5. But it is SX. Staying upright is not a given.

Kid Spam wrote:

Eli is riding around in mid pack, Anderson out, 94 is not 94, Musqusin was reaching brilliance with Dungey...but no more. Webb is not going to be beaten by the current top 5. But it is SX. Staying upright is not a given.

Eli has been fastest the last how many qualifying sessions? 11th to 1st in a tripple crown moto id say his speed makes him a threat even with the deficit. Marv and Kenny came into this year with title expectaions and are a lot less likely to throw it away in an instant than Cooper is. Cooper is riding great no doubt, but the other guys know how long this season is. Also first year with Baker suprised nobody has mentioned maybe a burnout from an early peak. We will see. I have a feeling this is gonna get good. Remember Webb and Tomac at Daytona last yr? Also wouldnt be suprised to see Kenny throw an extra agressive pass when the time is right given their history. This is far from over boys...